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shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4076	Posted - 2015.02.27 19:34:00 - [1] - Quote http://imgur.com/K7kmDwO I'll leave it here. Speed fits and regen. It lose a little speed, but Amarr is better at it imho, not talking about HP tank, time to nerf Amarr sentinel speed. You fatty bastards aren't supposed to run at all. MitraglieTTOH
Nocturnal Soul Ametat Security Amarr Empire 5562	Posted - 2015.02.27 19:50:00 - [2] - Quote Let's do one with the scouts XD ooh wait (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4076	Posted - 2015.02.27 19:53:00 - [3] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Let's do one with the scouts XD ooh wait Working as intended. MitraglieTTOH
Nocturnal Soul Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 5562	Posted - 2015.02.27 20:22:00 - [4] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Let's do one with the scouts XD ooh wait Working as intended. Then the Amarr being able to stack kin cats is "working as intended" (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7399	Posted - 2015.02.27 22:20:00 - [5] - Quote Which would you rather fight, an amsent approaching assault speed with 1/3rd the HP? Or an amarr brick with a logi behind him? I know which one I would rather fight. AV
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 15813	Posted - 2015.02.28 00:50:00 - [6] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: shaman oga wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Let's do one with the scouts XD ooh wait Working as intended. Then the Amarr being able to stack kin cats is "working as intended" The Amarr can stack KinCats as many KinCats as they want, as they have the most low slots. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 700	Posted - 2015.02.28 03:35:00 - [7] - Quote I am fine with Am Sent stacking kin kats. It means they are getting no where near enough armor to survive unless they flank tank. In the above fits I'd still say that MinSent is better at it.
Stormblade Green KnightKiller's inc. 18	Posted - 2015.02.28 04:58:00 - [8] - Quote An amarr sentinel without a logi is almost always dead.... no matter how he is stacked. An amarr with nothing but kinkats is almost an equivalent of an assault to me. One might say... I'm very skilled... yet I'm his apprentice... So what does that say about my mentor?
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3050	Posted - 2015.02.28 05:07:00 - [9] - Quote Did you know the fastest ships in Eve (Confessor and Crusader iirc) are Amarrian for the exact same reason? (More low slots) Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
abdullah muzaffar G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 436	Posted - 2015.02.28 08:38:00 - [10] - Quote MinSent has wrong stats Compare heavy frame to sentinel, and compare amarr shield delay to minsent

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7402	Posted - 2015.02.28 08:41:00 - [11] - Quote Minsent being slower than the basic frame has been confirmed working as Intended AV
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 36	Posted - 2015.02.28 20:37:00 - [12] - Quote Minmatar sentinel is built for speed while the amarr sentinel is built for being stupidly sturdy. The Amarr sentinel be just as fast because slot layout but that doesn't mean it can do the speed game as good as the minmatar sentinel,it would just be wasting the amarr sentinel's potential. Besides the Amarr sentinel can barely move already, making it any slower will make it a gorgeous looking target practice How many amarr does it take to change a light bulb? none. The minmatar do it for them
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4079	Posted - 2015.02.28 20:43:00 - [13] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: Minmatar sentinel is built for speed while the amarr sentinel is built for being stupidly sturdy. The Amarr sentinel be just as fast because slot layout but that doesn't mean it can do the speed game as good as the minmatar sentinel,it would just be wasting the amarr sentinel's potential. Besides the Amarr sentinel can barely move already, making it any slower will make it a gorgeous looking target practice As you can see from stats, amarr sentinel reach similar speed of the min sent, while keeping better armor regen, but worst shield regen. Consideting it has more HP, i think it's better than min sent at speed tanking, this should not be possible. Milk my barge > Acquire Key > Open mistery box > quit Dust514
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 36	Posted - 2015.02.28 20:50:00 - [14] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Georgia Xavier wrote: Minmatar sentinel is built for speed while the amarr sentinel is built for being stupidly sturdy. The Amarr sentinel be just as fast because slot layout but that doesn't mean it can do the speed game as good as the minmatar sentinel,it would just be wasting the amarr sentinel's potential. Besides the Amarr sentinel can barely move already, making it any slower will make it a gorgeous looking target practice As you can see from stats, amarr sentinel reach similar speed of the min sent, while keeping better armor regen, but worst shield regen. Consideting it has more HP, i think it's better than min sent at speed tanking, this should not be possible. With today's trend? Amarr sentinels would rather brick tank than speed tank because its more "viable". I haven't seen an amarr sentinel that doesnt stack plates anyway despite playing for a fairly long time. Once they do speed tank more then surely the amarr will get a speed nerf. Sounds kinda funny, amarr getting a speed nerf. Its like strapping an anvil onto a tortoise How many amarr does it take to change a light bulb? none. The minmatar do it for them
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7414	Posted - 2015.02.28 22:13:00 - [15] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: shaman oga wrote: Georgia Xavier wrote: Minmatar sentinel is built for speed while the amarr sentinel is built for being stupidly sturdy. The Amarr sentinel be just as fast because slot layout but that doesn't mean it can do the speed game as good as the minmatar sentinel,it would just be wasting the amarr sentinel's potential. Besides the Amarr sentinel can barely move already, making it any slower will make it a gorgeous looking target practice As you can see from stats, amarr sentinel reach similar speed of the min sent, while keeping better armor regen, but worst shield regen. Consideting it has more HP, i think it's better than min sent at speed tanking, this should not be possible. With today's trend? Amarr sentinels would rather brick tank than speed tank because its more "viable". I haven't seen an amarr sentinel that doesnt stack plates anyway despite playing for a fairly long time. Once they do speed tank more then surely the amarr will get a speed nerf. Sounds kinda funny, amarr getting a speed nerf. Its like strapping an anvil onto a tortoise unlikely to get nerfed. At that point they'e only slightly more tanky than an assault. AV
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 882	Posted - 2015.02.28 22:31:00 - [16] - Quote So you fit 3 complex kinkats to a proto heavy, Then complain heavies could be too fast... This is why the forum is such a wonderful place. I'm gonna go fit all complex damps on a sentinel and complain they're invisible.... After that gonna go fit all complex armor plates on a minmatar scout and complain they are too tanked.... After that, probably a bunch of shield regulators ona ammar assault and complain about the shield regen... After that , maybe fit complex heavy damage mods on a caldari assault.... because lol, forums i'm really crying inside... Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7414	Posted - 2015.02.28 22:33:00 - [17] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: So you fit 3 complex kinkats to a proto heavy, Then complain heavies could be too fast... This is why the forum is such a wonderful place. I'm gonna go fit all complex damps on a sentinel and complain they're invisible.... After that gonna go fit all complex armor plates on a minmatar scout and complain they are too tanked.... After that, probably a bunch of shield regulators ona ammar assault and complain about the shield regen... After that , maybe fit complex heavy damage mods on a caldari assault.... because lol, forums i'm really crying inside... this post pretty much sums up my overall opinion of everything AV
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4080	Posted - 2015.02.28 22:36:00 - [18] - Quote Problem is when one suit has more HP with similar stats, if we fit amarr for HP and minmatar for HP, minsent suck. If we fit minsent for speed and amarr sent for speed, amarr don't suck. Why should amarr be good as min at speed tanking, when min sent is not even comparable to amarr sent at HP tanking? Milk my barge > Acquire Key > Open mistery box > quit Dust514
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 882	Posted - 2015.02.28 22:39:00 - [19] - Quote Yeah, man, sorry shamann if it looks like shi*posting, but man oh man, i've had to take a good loong break from all of this, starting with the tanks. Maybe amarr sentinel can be a quicker than expected, but you need a whole lot more to comapre then min maxed fits and ask for a nerf. the n brick up both fits and see whats the real difference lies. I got the min, caldari, and amarr heavies. I experiment with them alot, and the shield regen for me makes the caldari the best solo heavy, the amarr the heaviest brick, and the minmatar the most agile. Even my low tank amarr heavies can't move the way the min does, and being abled to stack a good amount of shields is a lifesaver. Even speed tanked, i just cant stick and move the amarr the way i can with the min. But i will stack some kincats again tonight and give you some more thorough feedback. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4080	Posted - 2015.02.28 23:30:00 - [20] - Quote My main concern with Amarr sent is their 4th slot, when gal sentinel had it was quite balanced with amarr, gallente had less HP and less stamina, speed tanking was possible, but stamina made minmatar clearly better at it. Min just needed a little HP buff which has received, caldari has been inderectly buffed with changes to the projectile weapons. Most of the modules are on the lows, having a lot of lows gives you the possibility of being eclectic, but if you start with more HP and more stamina, without even a single module fitted, there is something wrong in my opinion. You have to trade something to be good in other things, but if you can almost completely negate your downside using modules and be effective as another suit, built for that, in my opinion that suit is out of its role. I'm not calling for a super nerf hammer on Amarr sentinel, but it has to be toned down somewhow. Just like what happened to cal/gal scout with bonus nerf, you can't have everything on a single suit. Milk my barge > Acquire Key > Open mistery box > quit Dust514

Nocturnal Soul 5572	Posted - 2015.02.28 23:38:00 - [21] - Quote Looks at Minmatar scout then Amarr scout Hmmmm so when the Sentinel is good at multiple stuff its a problem but when our scout is not a scout its working as intended? (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7414	Posted - 2015.02.28 23:46:00 - [22] - Quote shaman oga wrote: My main concern with Amarr sent is their 4th slot, when gal sentinel had it was quite balanced with amarr, gallente had less HP and less stamina, speed tanking was possible, but stamina made minmatar clearly better at it. Min just needed a little HP buff which has received, caldari has been inderectly buffed with changes to the projectile weapons. Most of the modules are on the lows, having a lot of lows gives you the possibility of being eclectic, but if you start with more HP and more stamina, without even a single module fitted, there is something wrong in my opinion. You have to trade something to be good in other things, but if you can almost completely negate your downside using modules and be effective as another suit, built for that, in my opinion that suit is out of its role. I'm not calling for a super nerf hammer on Amarr sentinel, but it has to be toned down somewhow. Just like what happened to cal/gal scout with bonus nerf, you can't have everything on a single suit. unless it proves overpowering, no it doesn't need a nerf. That's the key. Just because it offends your sense of aesthetic doesn't mean it needs to be toned down. And it doesn't, and hasn't overperformed. You're hardly the first person to note that this is possible. AV
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4080	Posted - 2015.02.28 23:48:00 - [23] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Looks at Minmatar scout then Amarr scout Hmmmm so when the Sentinel is good at multiple stuff its a problem but when our scout is not a scout its working as intended? Ask for a buff to the Amarr scout then, it probably deserve it, but i don't see the relation with the two. But while we are at it, i would like to know in what min scout is so superior to amarr, except speed of course. If you tell me to make a comparison with gal scout, i surrender and say that gal is 100% better imo, but min has no EW. Milk my barge > Acquire Key > Open mistery box > quit Dust514
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4080	Posted - 2015.02.28 23:56:00 - [24] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: unless it proves overpowering, no it doesn't need a nerf. That's the key. Just because it offends your sense of aesthetic doesn't mean it needs to be toned down. And it doesn't, and hasn't overperformed. You're hardly the first person to note that this is possible. It's clear that it has better stats in general and more possibility of fitting. As for overperfoming we don't know, but Amarr sentinel is the best seller among the other sentinels. Milk my barge > Acquire Key > Open mistery box > quit Dust514
Nocturnal Soul 5572	Posted - 2015.02.28 23:58:00 - [25] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Looks at Minmatar scout then Amarr scout Hmmmm so when the Sentinel is good at multiple stuff its a problem but when our scout is not a scout its working as intended? Ask for a buff to the Amarr scout then, it probably deserve it, but i don't see the relation with the two. But while we are at it, i would like to know in what min scout is so superior to amarr, except speed of course. If you tell me to make a comparison with gal scout, i surrender and say that gal is 100% better imo, but min has no EW. Seriously.... Ask for a buff? Use the search engine to find the 30 threads filled with suggestions that never came to light. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7414	Posted - 2015.03.01 00:02:00 - [26] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: unless it proves overpowering, no it doesn't need a nerf. That's the key. Just because it offends your sense of aesthetic doesn't mean it needs to be toned down. And it doesn't, and hasn't overperformed. You're hardly the first person to note that this is possible. It's clear that it has better stats in general and more possibility of fitting. As for overperfoming we don't know, but Amarr sentinel is the best seller among the other sentinels. That's because you can sit it on an objective with a logi leash and 1700 EHP. You know how many people run speedfits on those things on any serious basis? Me and maybe three other people tops. And I really can't call the speed fit serious. it dies too fast. AV
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4080	Posted - 2015.03.01 00:03:00 - [27] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Seriously.... Ask for a buff? Use the search engine to find the 30 threads filled with suggestions that never came to light. You came here like i was asking for a nerf to the amarr scout. There is no relation between scout and sentinels or at least it's not what we are talking about here. Milk my barge > Acquire Key > Open mistery box > quit Dust514
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4080	Posted - 2015.03.01 00:05:00 - [28] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: shaman oga wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: unless it proves overpowering, no it doesn't need a nerf. That's the key. Just because it offends your sense of aesthetic doesn't mean it needs to be toned down. And it doesn't, and hasn't overperformed. You're hardly the first person to note that this is possible. It's clear that it has better stats in general and more possibility of fitting. As for overperfoming we don't know, but Amarr sentinel is the best seller among the other sentinels. That's because you can sit it on an objective with a logi leash and 1700 EHP. You know how many people run speedfits on those things on any serious basis? Me and maybe three other people tops. And I really can't call the speed fit serious. it dies too fast. Then think how fast min sent dies and can't even sit with a logi with 1700 HP. Milk my barge > Acquire Key > Open mistery box > quit Dust514
Nocturnal Soul 5572	Posted - 2015.03.01 00:13:00 - [29] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Seriously.... Ask for a buff? Use the search engine to find the 30 threads filled with suggestions that never came to light. You came here like i was asking for a nerf to the amarr scout. There is no relation between scout and sentinels or at least it's not what we are talking about here. What I'm trying to say is why is it such a BIG problem when its the sentinel but when one of our other suits is complete trash its swept under the fridge like a dropped ice cube? (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4080	Posted - 2015.03.01 00:20:00 - [30] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: shaman oga wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Seriously.... Ask for a buff? Use the search engine to find the 30 threads filled with suggestions that never came to light. You came here like i was asking for a nerf to the amarr scout. There is no relation between scout and sentinels or at least it's not what we are talking about here. What I'm trying to say is why is it such a BIG problem when its the sentinel but when one of our other suits is complete trash its swept under the fridge like a dropped ice cube? I don't see any blue tag here, this is just a thread i made to point a problem i see and like you have said before there are many other threads asking for a amarr scout buff, the problem i see is not bigger or smaller than the one with amarr scout. If you feel there is problem with amarr scout just bump one of the threads asking for a buff or create a new one, here we are talking about sentinels. Milk my barge > Acquire Key > Open mistery box > quit Dust514

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7414	Posted - 2015.03.01 00:24:00 - [31] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: shaman oga wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: unless it proves overpowering, no it doesn't need a nerf. That's the key. Just because it offends your sense of aesthetic doesn't mean it needs to be toned down. And it doesn't, and hasn't overperformed. You're hardly the first person to note that this is possible. It's clear that it has better stats in general and more possibility of fitting. As for overperfoming we don't know, but Amarr sentinel is the best seller among the other sentinels. That's because you can sit it on an objective with a logi leash and 1700 EHP. You know how many people run speedfits on those things on any serious basis? Me and maybe three other people tops. And I really can't call the speed fit serious. it dies too fast. Then think how fast min sent dies and can't even sit with a logi with 1700 HP. Funny enough, I do a lot better with the minsent than I do the amsent anyway. Your assertion is not supported by data. the amsent speedfit is no more survivable than the minsent and requires identical tactics. less survivable in fact because native regen on an amarr sentinel sucks. AV
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 488	Posted - 2015.03.01 10:57:00 - [32] - Quote I don't see a problem, since kincats do not affect strafe speed... wouldn't be caught dead in an Amarr suit, without two logis repping my ass... and that's not my cup of tea!


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