I'm seeing a lot of "Way too many RE's and uplinks all over the place. People spamming them is ridiculous, q q q q q q"

Yet why is no-one addressing the significantly larger spam of Sents with HMG's all over the place?

Storm a point, get mown down by three of the sods, sound familiar anyone?

(For reference, not happening to me, I'm on one hell of a slaying spree atm)

Discuss.

Flux answers most of your problems. Cores answer the rest.

I like when people squeeze into a small room... Some people go with RE spam... I just drive an LAV in there.

Generally, heavies are easily eliminated with some teamwork.

They are slow, they can shoot in only one direction, and they have no range -- so you're best to use that to their disadvantage. Eat them up from distance and/or get them looking one direction then mow them down from another. Tactics 101.

They only become a problem when there are a LOT of them in an enclosed room/area with logi support -- it's then that orbitals, grenade spamming, and REs really shine.

I don't really have any issues with "heavy spamming" although I'd like to see more diversity in the city sockets in PC, where the heavy train is boarded by everyone.

On a related topic, I also think that frisbee REs are kind of ridiculous and I'd like to see that changed in some way (either require an animation to deploy (kind of like the needle), and/or having them drop straight down at your feet such that they cannot be thrown).

Plus they should sort out the RE teleporting mechanic that keeps happening. Hard to avoid an RE if you avoid the place you saw it land, just to realise it teleported behind you

Generally, heavies are easily eliminated with some teamwork.

They are slow, they can shoot in only one direction, and they have no range -- so you're best to use that to their disadvantage. Eat them up from distance and/or get them looking one direction then mow them down from another. Tactics 101.

They only become a problem when there are a LOT of them in an enclosed room/area with logi support -- it's then that orbitals, grenade spamming, and REs really shine.

I don't really have any issues with "heavy spamming" although I'd like to see more diversity in the city sockets in PC, where the heavy train is boarded by everyone.

On a related topic, I also think that frisbee REs are kind of ridiculous and I'd like to see that changed in some way (either require an animation to deploy (kind of like the needle), and/or having them drop straight down at your feet such that they cannot be thrown).

Generally, heavies are easily eliminated with some teamwork.

They are slow, they can shoot in only one direction, and they have no range -- so you're best to use that to their disadvantage. Eat them up from distance and/or get them looking one direction then mow them down from another. Tactics 101.

They only become a problem when there are a LOT of them in an enclosed room/area with logi support -- it's then that orbitals, grenade spamming, and REs really shine.

I don't really have any issues with "heavy spamming" although I'd like to see more diversity in the city sockets in PC, where the heavy train is boarded by everyone.

On a related topic, I also think that frisbee REs are kind of ridiculous and I'd like to see that changed in some way (either require an animation to deploy (kind of like the needle), and/or having them drop straight down at your feet such that they cannot be thrown).

Generally, heavies are easily eliminated with some teamwork.

They are slow, they can shoot in only one direction, and they have no range -- so you're best to use that to their disadvantage. Eat them up from distance and/or get them looking one direction then mow them down from another. Tactics 101.

They only become a problem when there are a LOT of them in an enclosed room/area with logi support -- it's then that orbitals, grenade spamming, and REs really shine.

I don't really have any issues with "heavy spamming" although I'd like to see more diversity in the city sockets in PC, where the heavy train is boarded by everyone.

On a related topic, I also think that frisbee REs are kind of ridiculous and I'd like to see that changed in some way (either require an animation to deploy (kind of like the needle), and/or having them drop straight down at your feet such that they cannot be thrown).

Most of the amarrian scrubs think their stuff isnt op.

they can shoot in only one direction, and they have no range -- so you're best to use that to their disadvantage.

Haha this! Even when the old ScR was king.

But to be fair, the only heavy items they have, are the suits.

But they also have the resists to the most-used heavy weapon. Remember my topic about Unbalanced Sentinels a few days ago?

Amarr Sent remains broken, with GalSent close behind, and Cal/Min Sent falling far short of the mark.

Gustavo, you've just summed it up to a T. Heavies are mainly spammed in CQC as you pointed out, very few direct counters to a group of them. Yes, an RE will do the trick, but it's the getting to them.

With this community, if you play in a way that is not a 100% copycat of how they play, its spam this, spam that.


At the core or the problem, is the fact that vet players can outfit a medium suit with ungodly amounts of defense and offense, both active and passive.

So suddenly, people who play the game less than 40 hours a week have to come up with a cheap, viable counter. And thats how the "Spam" complaints start.


People counter proto squads with heavies....oh now they are spamming heavies
People counter proto squads with RE, oh, now its RE spam
Send tanks after them? Tank spam
Fly to out of reach places to keep yourselves out of the redline? Now im rooftop link spamming\
Hack some flank CRUs? Im letting my team down by hack spamming.
Or sometimes, i "spam" redline sniper fits by using 1 sniper fit i dont lose in a safe place 150M from the objective.


Whatever you or I (regular people) do, if it works its going to be called spam. The guy who just used 2 full clips on his Six Kin to kill 1 guy is going to call the guy who killed him with 1 remote a "RE spammer".


So, with that said, lets look at what is not spam:

Stacking a million passive bonuses to increase the active modules you are wearing? Not spam
Queuing for ambush match after match for 8 hours? Not spam
Throwing core grenades till the Ishukone hives run out? Not spam
Killing the same new player militia fit 10 times in the same game? Not spam
Using a double swarm commando to unload at a dropship and then change back to assault? Not spam
Assigning 2 logis to one heavy all game? Not spamming logis or repair tool streams
Bombing everyone with a Incubus, and then running to hide/refill ammo every few minutes? Not spam
Making a thread everytime something kills you and ruins your sense of entitlement? Yep, definitely not spam.


So there you have it! If you suicide charge in milita fits all game to give squads free kills, not spam. if you come up with a strategy and successfully execute it, chances are, youre a spammer!

Train station, then Nitro-wiggle an HAV through the roof holes.

Much squishing was had

I only ever go for the middle, makes it look the ceiling's trying to poop out a tank.

I feel as if I should point out that I did say, I wasn't calling it spam because it isn't happening to me.

But instead of the 3 groups of 1 Logi/1Heavy you usually see, now it's squads of 3 Heavies/2 logis. That is spam, because it's never just one squad.

But by your logic, because I was slaying so god damn hard last night....Officer Assault Rifle Spam!!

I'm seeing a lot of "Way too many RE's and uplinks all over the place. People spamming them is ridiculous, q q q q q q"

Yet why is no-one addressing the significantly larger spam of Sents with HMG's all over the place?

Storm a point, get mown down by three of the sods, sound familiar anyone?

(For reference, not happening to me, I'm on one hell of a slaying spree atm)

Discuss.

Blame the community for QQing about rifle TTK so CCP nerfed all of our rifle damage and giving sentinels resistance to the very weapons that we have to use to kill them.

But how could you "fix" heavy spam? It's like saying if there were 16 scouts on a team, it needs to be nerfed. Or, if there were 15 assaults on a team...it needs to be nerfed.
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