DUST Search - Mouse/Keyboard, Controller

Raptor Princess wrote:

Izlare Lenix wrote:

Kb/m allows for sprint straffing which is virtually impossible with thumb sticks. It also allows for very fast staffing while still maintaining better precision aiming with the mouse and while this is not impossible with thumb sticks it is much harder.

Think about how few muscles control your thumbs, versus how many muscles control your whole hand, wrist and arm. This is why aiming with a mouse is so much more precise than with thumb sticks.

If Dust didn't have aim assist controller users would have very little chance against kb/m users and even still some of the best players in the game are on kb/m

I play while sat next to a friend at times. They alternate between both, and the whole strafing with kbm being superior is a lie. I'm sure some people can strafe faster with kbm, but when I've played with my friend, they strafe much faster using a controller (even though they're a PC gamer usually). Controllers have the added bonus of actually being able to hit people when they're strafing. It's really quite challenging to strafe, track someone else strafing and shoot accurately using a mouse.

Taking away aim assist would make the strafing situation more of a level playing field for kbm users.

I've even started using my broken controller for cqc at times (which has killed my kdr!) because using kbm sucks so much.

As for tanking, I have both mouse and controller set up. I use the keyboard for moving, controller for moving the turret and mouse for actually shooting (and to move the turret small amounts). I don't know anyone who uses exclusively kbm for it because it requires moving the mouse a lot more than when you're using regular guns.

I have a coffee table set up for my mouse, but put the keyboard on my knee. It's not the most comfortable, but since my right hand side hates me, it's less uncomfortable than a controller for extended periods of time!

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Evil V2 RE Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.02.25 22:01:00 - [1] - Quote What are the pros,cons and difference? Does either one give an advantage? I got nothing...
Savage Mangler Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 308	Posted - 2015.02.25 22:13:00 - [2] - Quote KBM gives better tank control and precision aiming while being crap for other things due to the mouse emulating a joystick and not having aim assist, making it bad for cqc engagements due to not having good hit detection. Free your mind, break your shackles..... In other words....stop being a gorram metasheeple.
ModernElf Fuurinkasan 0	Posted - 2015.02.25 23:11:00 - [3] - Quote Savage Mangler wrote: KBM gives better tank control and precision aiming while being crap for other things due to the mouse emulating a joystick and not having aim assist, making it bad for cqc engagements due to not having good hit detection. As a mouse user, no it is not good for tank control, you'll probably have to go the course of two desks to do a 180 with 100 sensitivity and mouse smoothing on.
VAHZZ Haven's Keep 611	Posted - 2015.02.25 23:14:00 - [4] - Quote Someone answer my question: how do you even mouse bro? I keep picturing some dude sitting at their couch and using a TV tray or something to do it. Sounds extremely uncomfortable. I lay down when I play, extremely comfortable. ~ Closed Beta Vet
ModernElf Fuurinkasan 1	Posted - 2015.02.26 00:06:00 - [5] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: Someone answer my question: how do you even mouse bro? I keep picturing some dude sitting at their couch and using a TV tray or something to do it. Sounds extremely uncomfortable. I lay down when I play, extremely comfortable. I sit at a desk while I play, just like any normal person that has played on a computer.
Savage Mangler Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 310	Posted - 2015.02.26 00:33:00 - [6] - Quote ModernElf wrote: Savage Mangler wrote: KBM gives better tank control and precision aiming while being crap for other things due to the mouse emulating a joystick and not having aim assist, making it bad for cqc engagements due to not having good hit detection. As a mouse user, no it is not good for tank control, you'll probably have to go the course of two desks to do a 180 with 100 sensitivity and mouse smoothing on. Trackball or bust mate. Mouses are inferior by the simple nature of how it functions. Like you said yourself, you gotta whip the thing pretty hard to 180 and that's moving your entire arm. My $20 Logitech Marble on the other hand just requires my fingers to move the ball allowing much finer precision and faster response rates. Plus I can just sit the damn thing on my thigh and play instead of using a desk. Free your mind, break your shackles..... In other words....stop being a gorram metasheeple.
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 890	Posted - 2015.02.26 00:49:00 - [7] - Quote KbM - as in other PC shooters, you'll have precise aim. DS3 - It's all about comfort. I enjoy sitting on couch and playing on TV. PS. You can adjust mouse DPI and use macros. Loyal to State https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2629870#post2629870 - Mejto's trade/sale list
Sequal's Back Dead Man's Game RUST415 308	Posted - 2015.02.26 00:58:00 - [8] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: KbM - as in other PC shooters, you'll have precise aim. DS3 - It's all about comfort. I enjoy sitting on couch and playing on TV. Well I tried to use a KbM setting to play Dust and even if I'm use to PC shooters, I do terrible with them!! The sensitivity is too low even at max speed, you feel the lags and framerates issues even more as it's not smooth at all, the ps3 doesnt always respond to all my 'clicks' on the mouse as I may be shooting too fast sometimes.. Well in the end, I'd rather use my (broken) controller than playing KbM. I am much more precise with it ! (when it doesnt press buttons on its own tho..) Rise? That's what they used to call me. Sequal Rise. That was my name. Now I come Back to you, at the turn of the tide.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 3268	Posted - 2015.02.26 02:18:00 - [9] - Quote Comparing DUST mouse use to a PC game is really quite silly. Try it out. Load up Fistful of Frags on Steam (it is totally free), and play around for an hour or two. Then go to DUST. It is no where close to feeling the same. Controllers usually have some amount of aim-assist because controllers are generally worse for fine controls but in DUST the hit detection is so absolutely terrible with the mouse that the controller is simply a better tool. If you use the mouse, you will see a lot of blue flashes but the opponent takes no damage. DUST mouse is pretty rough. For driving a Tank, I say that Mouse is superior. Being able to easily maneuver with a keyboard makes it more useful than the controller for me. While it is preference, to an extent, the controller will get you better results in most instances of the game. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Izlare Lenix Pub Stars 1316	Posted - 2015.02.26 02:28:00 - [10] - Quote Kb/m allows for sprint straffing which is virtually impossible with thumb sticks. It also allows for very fast staffing while still maintaining better precision aiming with the mouse and while this is not impossible with thum sticks it is much harder. Think about how few muscles control your thumbs, versus how many muscles control your whole hand, wrist and arm. This is why aiming with a mouse is so much more precise than with thumb sticks. If Dust didn't have aim assist controller users would have very little chance against kb/m users and even still some of the best players in the game are on kb/m The only real truth in history is that it was bloody.

Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 464	Posted - 2015.02.26 02:38:00 - [11] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: Someone answer my question: how do you even mouse bro? I keep picturing some dude sitting at their couch and using a TV tray or something to do it. Sounds extremely uncomfortable. I lay down when I play, extremely comfortable. I used a smoothed wooden board when I tried the mouse. Also I know alot of guys who use the mouse actually have their ps3 piped through their computer monitor on a desk, so they can use it naturally as if it were a computer.
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 151	Posted - 2015.02.26 03:12:00 - [12] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: Kb/m allows for sprint straffing which is virtually impossible with thumb sticks. It also allows for very fast staffing while still maintaining better precision aiming with the mouse and while this is not impossible with thumb sticks it is much harder. Think about how few muscles control your thumbs, versus how many muscles control your whole hand, wrist and arm. This is why aiming with a mouse is so much more precise than with thumb sticks. If Dust didn't have aim assist controller users would have very little chance against kb/m users and even still some of the best players in the game are on kb/m I play while sat next to a friend at times. They alternate between both, and the whole strafing with kbm being superior is a lie. I'm sure some people can strafe faster with kbm, but when I've played with my friend, they strafe much faster using a controller (even though they're a PC gamer usually). Controllers have the added bonus of actually being able to hit people when they're strafing. It's really quite challenging to strafe, track someone else strafing and shoot accurately using a mouse. Taking away aim assist would make the strafing situation more of a level playing field for kbm users. I've even started using my broken controller for cqc at times (which has killed my kdr!) because using kbm sucks so much. As for tanking, I have both mouse and controller set up. I use the keyboard for moving, controller for moving the turret and mouse for actually shooting (and to move the turret small amounts). I don't know anyone who uses exclusively kbm for it because it requires moving the mouse a lot more than when you're using regular guns. I have a coffee table set up for my mouse, but put the keyboard on my knee. It's not the most comfortable, but since my right hand side hates me, it's less uncomfortable than a controller for extended periods of time!
Izlare Lenix Pub Stars 1319	Posted - 2015.02.26 03:39:00 - [13] - Quote Raptor Princess wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: Kb/m allows for sprint straffing which is virtually impossible with thumb sticks. It also allows for very fast staffing while still maintaining better precision aiming with the mouse and while this is not impossible with thumb sticks it is much harder. Think about how few muscles control your thumbs, versus how many muscles control your whole hand, wrist and arm. This is why aiming with a mouse is so much more precise than with thumb sticks. If Dust didn't have aim assist controller users would have very little chance against kb/m users and even still some of the best players in the game are on kb/m I play while sat next to a friend at times. They alternate between both, and the whole strafing with kbm being superior is a lie. I'm sure some people can strafe faster with kbm, but when I've played with my friend, they strafe much faster using a controller (even though they're a PC gamer usually). Controllers have the added bonus of actually being able to hit people when they're strafing. It's really quite challenging to strafe, track someone else strafing and shoot accurately using a mouse. Taking away aim assist would make the strafing situation more of a level playing field for kbm users. I've even started using my broken controller for cqc at times (which has killed my kdr!) because using kbm sucks so much. As for tanking, I have both mouse and controller set up. I use the keyboard for moving, controller for moving the turret and mouse for actually shooting (and to move the turret small amounts). I don't know anyone who uses exclusively kbm for it because it requires moving the mouse a lot more than when you're using regular guns. I have a coffee table set up for my mouse, but put the keyboard on my knee. It's not the most comfortable, but since my right hand side hates me, it's less uncomfortable than a controller for extended periods of time! Using Dust's native mouse support sucks and some of what you said may be true considering that. However, there are many ways to get around CCPs terrible native support with gaming mice and macros. There are even devices that trick the PS3 into thinking a mouse is a controller giving the user best of both worlds. Also, I never said keyboards strafe faster than DS3 (though there is a debate about that) I said keyboards can sprint strafe which is very, very, very difficult on a DS3. And while straffing with a keyboard a mouse user can have better aiming precision. And on precision I have known many players that use DS3 most of the time but use kb/m when sniping and forge gunning because the precision aiming of a mouse can not be matched with a controller. The only real truth in history is that it was bloody.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 3147	Posted - 2015.02.26 07:10:00 - [14] - Quote I don't know if any of you are sadistic enough but has anyone ever tried to properly pilot a dropship using KB/M? Yea its damn awkward! DS3 vastly superior to KB/M for dropshippin'. Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3400	Posted - 2015.02.26 07:14:00 - [15] - Quote Savage Mangler wrote: Trackball or bust mate Use a Gyro mouse, once you get used to it and properly calibrate it, it goes far, far beyond any mouse limited by traditional finger/wrist/arm movement for twitch shooting. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Savage Mangler Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 310	Posted - 2015.02.26 07:24:00 - [16] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Savage Mangler wrote: Trackball or bust mate Use a Gyro mouse, once you get used to it and properly calibrate it, it goes far, far beyond any mouse limited by traditional finger/wrist/arm movement for twitch shooting. Interesting, I actually had to look that up. However I'll up the ante and say for $100+ just go for one of these. Mind you that's the outdated version. Free your mind, break your shackles..... In other words....stop being a gorram metasheeple.
Otoky HelloKitty's Army 159	Posted - 2015.02.26 09:40:00 - [17] - Quote Mouse is better when you aim from far. I cant imagine snipeing with controller. But ds3 beat CQC. Oh, and strafe is also way better with ds3. All in all if you are good with ds3 than stick with it. I had no chooise since i am a PC player. Ps: dont even try to fly dropships with kbm
ScI-Iurk Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 54	Posted - 2015.02.26 09:42:00 - [18] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: Someone answer my question: how do you even mouse bro? I keep picturing some dude sitting at their couch and using a TV tray or something to do it. Sounds extremely uncomfortable. I lay down when I play, extremely comfortable. Well actually I have my ps3 hooked up to the same monitor as my pc and my couch is on wheels. So I can transform my desk to my entertainment corner in 1 min.
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 151	Posted - 2015.02.26 20:30:00 - [19] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: Using Dust's native mouse support sucks and some of what you said may be true considering that. However, there are many ways to get around CCPs terrible native support with gaming mice and macros. There are even devices that trick the PS3 into thinking a mouse is a controller giving the user best of both worlds. Also, I never said keyboards strafe faster than DS3 (though there is a debate about that) I said keyboards can sprint strafe which is very, very, very difficult on a DS3. And while straffing with a keyboard a mouse user can have better aiming precision. And on precision I have known many players that use DS3 most of the time but use kb/m when sniping and forge gunning because the precision aiming of a mouse can not be matched with a controller. If I had the money for gaming mice or xim, I'd get it just to make it easier to play. If aim assist is on, the ds3 is superior when aiming and strafing. And also, aiming at someone who is strafing is easier with aim assist on a controller. I can strafe as fast as I can, and still die in a second to most users. Unless I'm always against gaming gods, aim assist is superior to all. I'm the only person I play with regularly who is almost exclusively a kbm user, everyone else only uses it for sniping and forge gunning. I won't pretend that it doesn't have the upper hand there! But it's literally the only time mouse is better.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3320	Posted - 2015.02.26 20:59:00 - [20] - Quote What the hell is sprint strafing and why is it possible with a MKB and not a DS3?

demonkiller 12 Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 611	Posted - 2015.02.27 02:28:00 - [21] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: Kb/m allows for sprint straffing which is virtually impossible with thumb sticks. It also allows for very fast staffing while still maintaining better precision aiming with the mouse and while this is not impossible with thumb sticks it is much harder. Think about how few muscles control your thumbs, versus how many muscles control your whole hand, wrist and arm. This is why aiming with a mouse is so much more precise than with thumb sticks. If Dust didn't have aim assist controller users would have very little chance against kb/m users and even still some of the best players in the game are on kb/m KBM literally makes 0 difference on strafing and aiming with a mouse is ****, MKB hasnt been any good at all for a over a year, its only good with sniping/forging/burst AR everything else is garbage
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1801	Posted - 2015.02.27 12:00:00 - [22] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: What the hell is sprint strafing and why is it possible with a MKB and not a DS3? Sprint strafing = Sprinting forward and taking lateral steps at the same time. Result: You have three optional directions when running, forward, 45 degrees left, 45 degrees right. Total speed does not increase (fixed 2012) Difficult on pad (DS3) as in order to begin a sprint you have to keep left thumbstick depressed and initiate forward motion. While sprinting you can do soft sidesteps. But if your forward motion drops too much ie. you turn left thumbstick too muc left/right, sprinting ends. The answer
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1801	Posted - 2015.02.27 12:17:00 - [23] - Quote Chart on which one is better in Dust 514: DS3 (pad, controller) >>> Mouse+keyboard Combat at ranges: very short to mid range (2m to 20m which is 4 to 40 Dust in game meters) Dropship controls Map control (especially choosing where you want to spawn) Mouse+keyboard >>> DS3 (pad, controller) Combat at ranges: Mid long and over ( over 25m which is over 50 dust in game meters) Sniping and forge gunning Tanking, especially missile and rail Balanced or no clear advantage for either: Real CQC meaning knifing distance or the length of the barrel (1m) LAV controls Small turrets: both have annoying weaknesses The answer
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1801	Posted - 2015.02.27 12:25:00 - [24] - Quote Background: - First six months of dust I played with pad (DS3) until Autumn 2012 when MKB came along. - After that I did full MKB, then 50-50 hybrid, and finally hybrid which is mostly MKB (80%). - On Autumn 2013 the Aim Assist (AA) was introduced. Some personal experiences: (may vary from person to other that means!) * Before AA: I'd say that as a MKB user I had slight advantage over pad users * After AA: I am at serious disadvantage and short to mid ranges, while retaining some advantages elsewhere (look previous post) * AA is very strong, especially with semi-auto weapons as they seem to calculate hits differently The answer
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 896	Posted - 2015.02.27 17:54:00 - [25] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Chart on which one is better in Dust 514: DS3 (pad, controller) >>> Mouse+keyboard Combat at ranges: very short to mid range (2m to 20m which is 4 to 40 Dust in game meters) Dropship controls Map control (especially choosing where you want to spawn) Using m&kb in cqc is as effective [if not better] as DS3. Tested. Done it. Ps. To those who complain about sensitivity. Mouse for 20$ [or way lower] has adjustable DPI. I tested it and i felt like i was playing a PC game. I could even turn around just by weak pull. But as i said, playing on a couch >>>> than having better accesories for aiming. Loyal to State https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2629870#post2629870 - Mejto's trade/sale list
Damodred Matari Heavy Support INC 19	Posted - 2015.02.27 18:09:00 - [26] - Quote Nearly all the people in this thread cant lift with a mouse and keyboard. You asked in the wrong forum op, rekt. Inb4gaming experience, must be nothing then or you're lying if you think it's better than a controller, goml 1080 no scoping controllers fo dayz, goml. ROFLCOPTER, gg's.. I lift bro, rekt. H'renk Bomborass
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 3152	Posted - 2015.02.27 19:36:00 - [27] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Chart on which one is better in Dust 514: DS3 (pad, controller) >>> Mouse+keyboard Combat at ranges: very short to mid range (2m to 20m which is 4 to 40 Dust in game meters) Dropship controls Map control (especially choosing where you want to spawn) Mouse+keyboard >>> DS3 (pad, controller) Combat at ranges: Mid long and over ( over 25m which is over 50 dust in game meters) Sniping and forge gunning Tanking, especially missile and rail Balanced or no clear advantage for either: Real CQC meaning knifing distance or the length of the barrel (1m) LAV controls Small turrets: both have annoying weaknesses Just wanted to say props for being spot on in your analysis. A very fair and honest look into the way things are. I have to agree with your conclusion as well mate. Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3336	Posted - 2015.02.27 20:11:00 - [28] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: What the hell is sprint strafing and why is it possible with a MKB and not a DS3? Sprint strafing = Sprinting forward and taking lateral steps at the same time. Result: You have three optional directions when running, forward, 45 degrees left, 45 degrees right. Total speed does not increase (fixed 2012) Difficult on pad (DS3) as in order to begin a sprint you have to keep left thumbstick depressed and initiate forward motion. While sprinting you can do soft sidesteps. But if your forward motion drops too much ie. you turn left thumbstick too muc left/right, sprinting ends. So, if I'm following your correctly, there's no real difference but it's harder to pull off with a DS3. I'll have to play around with it a bit, but I've not noticed any difference in my ability to sprint at an angle to directly forward with MKB and DS3. Sure it's harder to hold down R3 than it is to hold down the shift key -- but my recollection is they function exactly the same once you do. Hmmmm.....
Universal Decimator Interstellar Legionnaires 55	Posted - 2015.02.27 20:40:00 - [29] - Quote Evil V2 RE wrote: What are the pros,cons and difference? Does either one give an advantage? I have been playing dust 514 for a little over 2 years now, I can honestly tell you that keyboard and mouse have an extreme advantage over controller players. This is because they can aim slightly better with a mouse. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AIM ASSIST IN THIS GAME WHAT SO EVER. Anyone that tells you that there is, is lying. This myth of aim assist has been put out there to attract more new console players but it is a lie. The PC players are the ones who have spent the most money on this game and no one wants to upset them with a real aim assist. Personally I don't want it either, I don't need aim assist. The real advantage is that the keyboard can speed strife, meaning they can hold down sprint while moving in any direction and controllers can not. The buttons for movement and sprint are on the same analog stick and cannot be unmapped. PC players will run circles around you ever time if you are using a controller. PC players will not admit this because they are always crying like babies to get an advantage in the game. EXAMPLE waaaaaaa nerf this nerf that. WAAAAAA this is OP that is OP.
Universal Decimator Interstellar Legionnaires 55	Posted - 2015.02.27 20:48:00 - [30] - Quote Universal Decimator wrote: Evil V2 RE wrote: What are the pros,cons and difference? Does either one give an advantage? I have been playing dust 514 for a little over 2 years now, I can honestly tell you that keyboard and mouse have an extreme advantage over controller players. This is because they can aim slightly better with a mouse. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AIM ASSIST IN THIS GAME WHAT SO EVER. Anyone that tells you that there is, is lying. This myth of aim assist has been put out there to attract more new console players but it is a lie. The PC players are the ones who have spent the most money on this game and no one wants to upset them with a real aim assist. Personally I don't want it either, I don't need aim assist. The real advantage is that the keyboard can speed strife, meaning they can hold down sprint while moving in any direction and controllers can not. The buttons for movement and sprint are on the same analog stick and cannot be unmapped. PC players will run circles around you ever time if you are using a controller. PC players will not admit this because they are always crying like babies to get an advantage in the game. EXAMPLE waaaaaaa nerf this nerf that. WAAAAAA this is OP that is OP. I am as sure of this as I am that there will be NO player trading in march



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