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Lupus Wolf Minmatar Republic 122	Posted - 2015.02.24 06:22:00 - [1] - Quote Not even joking. Three Sicas with Particle Accelerators and damage mods sitting at different spots in the back of the redline. Whenever I got close and attacked one, the other two came over and they all fired at me. When I backed off, they all went back to their campy campy spots. Are you being serious right now? You give the rest of us vehicle users a bad name (not just tankers, because when people see this, they hate vehicles in general). If the redline and those mountains weren't there, they'd be toast. Can't this be fixed? I guess I shouldn't be surprised if it won't. Lots of things need fixing. Chop chop, CCP! Redundant usernames FTW *Quafe, you lied to me...* 30% Logi, 25% Tanker, 40% Dropship Pilot, 5% Drunk LAV Driver
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3351	Posted - 2015.02.24 06:41:00 - [2] - Quote And this is why I'm against low vehicle limits. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
VAHZZ 590	Posted - 2015.02.24 06:47:00 - [3] - Quote I hate tanks with a passion, they did bad things to me in the olden days...I SHALL PURGE ALL TANKS! DO YOU HEAR ME!? THEY SHALL BUUURN! ~ Closed Beta Vet
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1976	Posted - 2015.02.24 07:16:00 - [4] - Quote It wouldn't be so bad if you could deploy equipment in the redline or had a guarantee that the "20 second" timer would remain at 20 seconds and not kill you at 14... I can't stand redline tanks, but at the same time, I kind of feel for some of them. Been chased into the redline numerous times by multiple AV'ers, enemy tanks, and Jiihad LAV's and have simply been unable to leave due to the constant assaults. I want to punch.
HOLY PERFECTION OUTCAST MERCS RISE of LEGION 43	Posted - 2015.02.24 07:18:00 - [5] - Quote maybe we would not "camp" if the stupid ass swarms did not make us redlined. Therefor your ***** yourselves commandos with swarms. SO STOP WHINING YOU BIT#HES I WILL WIN... DESTINY**
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 1269	Posted - 2015.02.24 07:25:00 - [6] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: maybe we would not "camp" if the stupid ass swarms did not make us redlined. Therefor your ******* yourselves commandos with swarms. SO STOP WHINING YOU BIT#HES Everybody wan go heaven.... Nobody wan die. Shxt hoppens Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1093	Posted - 2015.02.24 07:26:00 - [7] - Quote You know why this is happening right? When Tanks actually worked on the field : AV maniacs demand more damage, because tanks could actually get kills. Now that Tanks don't work on the field: AV maniacs demand the tanks be forced from the redline because they want to blow them up, calling them lazy and cowardly. When tanks didn't appear on the field at all: AV maniacs cried that there was nothing to shoot, since they've specialized in AV. The above is just historical tidbits. The crazed AV users can be relied upon again and again to just whine out their ass stating "OP" whenever they see a tank getting more than 5 kills in a match, but they will ignore any dropsuit that can get 20+ kills a match. There are very few decent AV players who know balance. All of them happen to also drive Tanks or Dropships. :/ http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
HOLY PERFECTION OUTCAST MERCS RISE of LEGION 43	Posted - 2015.02.24 07:30:00 - [8] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: You know why this is happening right? When Tanks actually worked on the field : AV maniacs demand more damage, because tanks could actually get kills. Now that Tanks don't work on the field: AV maniacs demand the tanks be forced from the redline because they want to blow them up, calling them lazy and cowardly. When tanks didn't appear on the field at all: AV maniacs cried that there was nothing to shoot, since they've specialized in AV. The above is just historical tidbits. The crazed AV users can be relied upon again and again to just whine out their ass stating "OP" whenever they see a tank getting more than 5 kills in a match, but they will ignore any dropsuit that can get 20+ kills a match. There are very few decent AV players who know balance. All of them happen to also drive Tanks or Dropships. :/ I agree, and know this happens to almost every AV person on the field. *I WILL WIN... DESTINY*
Genral69 death GG DOUCH BAG 78	Posted - 2015.02.24 11:16:00 - [9] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: I hate tanks with a passion, they did bad things to me in the olden days...I SHALL PURGE ALL TANKS! DO YOU HEAR ME!? THEY SHALL BUUURN! I like your sense of style and wish to see you burn them straight to hell
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 524	Posted - 2015.02.24 11:17:00 - [10] - Quote That made me laugh, just picturing it xDDD It's like a tank trap G.L.O.R.Y Soldier, I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3 -Heavy/Logi/Assault/Scout-

Echo 1991 Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 736	Posted - 2015.02.24 11:31:00 - [11] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: maybe we would not "camp" if the stupid ass swarms did not make us redlined. Therefor your ******* yourselves commandos with swarms. SO STOP WHINING YOU BIT#HES To armour, swarms on a minmando with proficiency 5 does a little over 2k. 2 hardeners will lower it by 46% so it goes down to around 1100 damage per volley, maybe a bit more. It barely hurts a gunnlogi with one hardener. If armour tanks had better fitting you could fit a good rep and have enough HP to drive off. Swarms aren't the problem for armour tanks. Its just the fact that they can't fit a decent defence.
diablo gamekeeper T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 8	Posted - 2015.02.24 11:42:00 - [12] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: It wouldn't be so bad if you could deploy equipment in the redline or had a guarantee that the "20 second" timer would remain at 20 seconds and not kill you at 14... I can't stand redline tanks, but at the same time, I kind of feel for some of them. Been chased into the redline numerous times by multiple AV'ers, enemy tanks, and Jiihad LAV's and have simply been unable to leave due to the constant assaults. or keep counting once you left the redline and then kill you
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 840	Posted - 2015.02.24 12:37:00 - [13] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Been chased into the redline numerous times by Jiihad LAV's and have simply been unable to leave due to the constant assaults. The redline is the last place you want to be when fending off a Jihad Jeep... Your main defence is stopping them detonating on your tank, but if you're in the red, they gonna blow up in 20 seconds even if they don't collide hard enough.
Racro 01 Arifistan Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 504	Posted - 2015.02.24 13:11:00 - [14] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: maybe we would not "camp" if the stupid ass swarms did not make us redlined. Therefor your ***** yourselves commandos with swarms. SO STOP WHINING YOU BIT#HES To armour, swarms on a minmando with proficiency 5 does a little over 2k. 2 hardeners will lower it by 46% so it goes down to around 1100 damage per volley, maybe a bit more. It barely hurts a gunnlogi with one hardener. If armour tanks had better fitting you could fit a good rep and have enough HP to drive off. Swarms aren't the problem for armour tanks. Its just the fact that they can't fit a decent defence. the way soma's and maddys are now. either they both need buffs in general or armour modules both hardners/reparis get buffed. preferably with reduced cpu........200 (exaggerated) cpu for a fckn complex armour nhardner is ludricous. it take less powergid. armour mods shouldn't be cpu intensive. so either reduce armour module fitting reqirments or both the soma's/madrugasrs to where they can actually field defence mods. Elite Gallenten Soldier**
Sinboto Simmons Dead Man's Game RUST415 7726	Posted - 2015.02.24 13:15:00 - [15] - Quote What ever happened to the shield bubble idea for the redline? Was a good one... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2 Born of the Brutor tribe
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 15754	Posted - 2015.02.24 13:20:00 - [16] - Quote Not sure why you're surprised, it's common knowledge that most Pilots aren't that good anyways. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 124	Posted - 2015.02.24 14:27:00 - [17] - Quote Happened to me one day.... 4 tanks... I stayed high trying to find the weak link... Only to come down to a barrage of red rail fire. They were winning. They were all redline special fits (7k ahp maddies, armor tanked gunnies... fits not good for normal use) So... I took out the jeep instead... I parked beside the tanks and let the redline timer blow me up or they shot me while i was beside their tank. It was glorious. And the only time i jeep Entering the void and becoming wind. Message for 1v1 air to air
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3293	Posted - 2015.02.24 15:02:00 - [18] - Quote IMO, there should be a friendly redline timer that's set at 1 min when you spawn in redline, and 20 seconds if you are re-entering it.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2990	Posted - 2015.02.24 15:40:00 - [19] - Quote Move the redline back half a Km. Also, don't redline the enemy, and don't complain when the other team takes out the only to PRO and officer stomping scrubs. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 887	Posted - 2015.02.24 15:44:00 - [20] - Quote Whiners got what they wanted. Vehicles are weak, without real role. Loyal to State https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2629870#post2629870 - Mejto's trade/sale list

Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2990	Posted - 2015.02.24 15:46:00 - [21] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: You know why this is happening right? When Tanks actually worked on the field : AV maniacs demand more damage, because tanks could actually get kills. Now that Tanks don't work on the field: AV maniacs demand the tanks be forced from the redline because they want to blow them up, calling them lazy and cowardly. When tanks didn't appear on the field at all: AV maniacs cried that there was nothing to shoot, since they've specialized in AV. The above is just historical tidbits. The crazed AV users can be relied upon again and again to just whine out their ass stating "OP" whenever they see a tank getting more than 5 kills in a match, but they will ignore any dropsuit that can get 20+ kills a match. There are very few decent AV players who know balance. All of them happen to also drive Tanks or Dropships. :/ It's because we know the counters. I also know to stay right above a tank as much as possible when in an ADS, because someone does that to me, I'm looking up for the first opportunity to shoot them. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Sicerly Yaw Quantum times 31	Posted - 2015.02.24 15:52:00 - [22] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: You know why this is happening right? When Tanks actually worked on the field : AV maniacs demand more damage, because tanks could actually get kills. Now that Tanks don't work on the field: AV maniacs demand the tanks be forced from the redline because they want to blow them up, calling them lazy and cowardly. When tanks didn't appear on the field at all: AV maniacs cried that there was nothing to shoot, since they've specialized in AV. The above is just historical tidbits. The crazed AV users can be relied upon again and again to just whine out their ass stating "OP" whenever they see a tank getting more than 5 kills in a match, but they will ignore any dropsuit that can get 20+ kills a match. There are very few decent AV players who know balance. All of them happen to also drive Tanks or Dropships. :/ I might add that most of the people that complain about either side have not even skilled into the advanced and let alone proto fittings, a good proto tank can take on light AV and a good proto AV merc can take on most basic vehicles by themselves but both come at a price, sure a squad of std av or just randoms all doing av can destroy a proto tank but thats 1v3+ which in any situation the 1 should more then likely always lose, all that being said if you cant afford it dont do it and stop crying about it, I've lost plenty a python but so what I had fun and I got kills so its all good to me things seem balanced as they are
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2990	Posted - 2015.02.24 15:55:00 - [23] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: maybe we would not "camp" if the stupid ass swarms did not make us redlined. Therefor your ******* yourselves commandos with swarms. SO STOP WHINING YOU BIT#HES To armour, swarms on a minmando with proficiency 5 does a little over 2k. 2 hardeners will lower it by 46% so it goes down to around 1100 damage per volley, maybe a bit more. It barely hurts a gunnlogi with one hardener. If armour tanks had better fitting you could fit a good rep and have enough HP to drive off. Swarms aren't the problem for armour tanks. Its just the fact that they can't fit a decent defence. Both are the problem. We can't enough reps, a plate slows us down, and a hardener costs too much to fit. Swarms do far too ,uh damage for how ridiculously easy they are to use. I have them, and Minmando to 5. I recent wasted a Soma in 4 volleys. That's far too powerful. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2511	Posted - 2015.02.24 15:59:00 - [24] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: You know why this is happening right? When Tanks actually worked on the field : AV maniacs demand more damage, because tanks could actually get kills. Now that Tanks don't work on the field: AV maniacs demand the tanks be forced from the redline because they want to blow them up, calling them lazy and cowardly. When tanks didn't appear on the field at all: AV maniacs cried that there was nothing to shoot, since they've specialized in AV. The above is just historical tidbits. The crazed AV users can be relied upon again and again to just whine out their ass stating "OP" whenever they see a tank getting more than 5 kills in a match, but they will ignore any dropsuit that can get 20+ kills a match. There are very few decent AV players who know balance. All of them happen to also drive Tanks or Dropships. :/ You left out one little piece of history: tanks were going 30/0 every freakin' match. Or maybe you just assume that's the way things should be? PSN: RationalSpark
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2990	Posted - 2015.02.24 16:00:00 - [25] - Quote Atiim wrote: Not sure why you're surprised, it's common knowledge that most Pilots aren't that good anyways. Says the guy that thinks because he has SP in vehicles, that makes him a competent pilot. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 887	Posted - 2015.02.24 16:00:00 - [26] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: You know why this is happening right? When Tanks actually worked on the field : AV maniacs demand more damage, because tanks could actually get kills. Now that Tanks don't work on the field: AV maniacs demand the tanks be forced from the redline because they want to blow them up, calling them lazy and cowardly. When tanks didn't appear on the field at all: AV maniacs cried that there was nothing to shoot, since they've specialized in AV. The above is just historical tidbits. The crazed AV users can be relied upon again and again to just whine out their ass stating "OP" whenever they see a tank getting more than 5 kills in a match, but they will ignore any dropsuit that can get 20+ kills a match. There are very few decent AV players who know balance. All of them happen to also drive Tanks or Dropships. :/ It's because we know the counters. I also know to stay right above a tank as much as possible when in an ADS, because someone does that to me, I'm looking up for the first opportunity to shoot them. Nowdays using ADS to destroy someones tank is pointless. Tanker will turn on two hardeners and he will exit his tank. Now ADS pilot will have to survive swarms [maxed skills,minmando] or cal forger [maxed skills]. Python will have small chance to survive. Incubus.. straight up dead. Loyal to State https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2629870#post2629870 - Mejto's trade/sale list
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 15759	Posted - 2015.02.24 16:02:00 - [27] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Not sure why you're surprised, it's common knowledge that most Pilots aren't that good anyways. Says the guy that thinks because he has SP in vehicles, that makes him a competent pilot. Says the guy who with nearly all his SP in vehicles, is still not a competent pilot. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2990	Posted - 2015.02.24 16:04:00 - [28] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: IMO, there should be a friendly redline timer that's set at 1 min when you spawn in redline, and 20 seconds if you are re-entering it. So if I have to get up to take a leak, I have to take a stupid death? Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2990	Posted - 2015.02.24 16:07:00 - [29] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Whiners got what they wanted. Vehicles are weak, without real role. That's because those that didn't use vehicles had the sole voice in the direction they took. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2990	Posted - 2015.02.24 16:10:00 - [30] - Quote Sicerly Yaw wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: You know why this is happening right? When Tanks actually worked on the field : AV maniacs demand more damage, because tanks could actually get kills. Now that Tanks don't work on the field: AV maniacs demand the tanks be forced from the redline because they want to blow them up, calling them lazy and cowardly. When tanks didn't appear on the field at all: AV maniacs cried that there was nothing to shoot, since they've specialized in AV. The above is just historical tidbits. The crazed AV users can be relied upon again and again to just whine out their ass stating "OP" whenever they see a tank getting more than 5 kills in a match, but they will ignore any dropsuit that can get 20+ kills a match. There are very few decent AV players who know balance. All of them happen to also drive Tanks or Dropships. :/ I might add that most of the people that complain about either side have not even skilled into the advanced and let alone proto fittings, a good proto tank can take on light AV and a good proto AV merc can take on most basic vehicles by themselves but both come at a price, sure a squad of std av or just randoms all doing av can destroy a proto tank but thats 1v3+ which in any situation the 1 should more then likely always lose, all that being said if you cant afford it dont do it and stop crying about it, I've lost plenty a python but so what I had fun and I got kills so its all good to me things seem balanced as they are What "PRO tank" are you talking about? Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff

Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2990	Posted - 2015.02.24 16:12:00 - [31] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: You know why this is happening right? When Tanks actually worked on the field : AV maniacs demand more damage, because tanks could actually get kills. Now that Tanks don't work on the field: AV maniacs demand the tanks be forced from the redline because they want to blow them up, calling them lazy and cowardly. When tanks didn't appear on the field at all: AV maniacs cried that there was nothing to shoot, since they've specialized in AV. The above is just historical tidbits. The crazed AV users can be relied upon again and again to just whine out their ass stating "OP" whenever they see a tank getting more than 5 kills in a match, but they will ignore any dropsuit that can get 20+ kills a match. There are very few decent AV players who know balance. All of them happen to also drive Tanks or Dropships. :/ You left out one little piece of history: tanks were going 30/0 every freakin' match. Or maybe you just assume that's the way things should be? But it's just fine when infantry go 30-2, right? Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2990	Posted - 2015.02.24 16:24:00 - [32] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Not sure why you're surprised, it's common knowledge that most Pilots aren't that good anyways. Says the guy that thinks because he has SP in vehicles, that makes him a competent pilot. Says the guy who with nearly all his SP in vehicles, is still not a competent pilot. I have over 77mil SP. More than half of it is in infantry, because there isn't any variety in vehicles. Why are you assuming I'm a bad pilot? Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 397	Posted - 2015.02.24 18:17:00 - [33] - Quote Lupus Wolf wrote: Not even joking. Three Sicas with Particle Accelerators and damage mods sitting at different spots in the back of the redline. Whenever I got close and attacked one, the other two came over and they all fired at me. When I backed off, they all went back to their campy campy spots. Are you being serious right now? You give the rest of us vehicle users a bad name (not just tankers, because when people see this, they hate vehicles in general). If the redline and those mountains weren't there, they'd be toast. Can't this be fixed? I guess I shouldn't be surprised if it won't. Lots of things need fixing. Chop chop, CCP! Maybe AV was keeping them back there. Its all about rethinking the problem as well. Did you have AV in your squad? Did you bring other tankers? Shouldn't fault them if they were playing defensively. I roam all the time out of the line, engaging infantry, but won't put my ass on the line if the blueberries are not, and if their is epic AV or I am outnumber tank wise, I chill in a safe place.
Mary Sedillo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 398	Posted - 2015.02.24 18:19:00 - [34] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: IMO, there should be a friendly redline timer that's set at 1 min when you spawn in redline, and 20 seconds if you are re-entering it. No.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1788	Posted - 2015.02.24 20:00:00 - [35] - Quote Lupus Wolf wrote: Not even joking. Three Sicas with Particle Accelerators and damage mods sitting at different spots in the back of the redline. Whenever I got close and attacked one, the other two came over and they all fired at me. When I backed off, they all went back to their campy campy spots. Are you being serious right now? You give the rest of us vehicle users a bad name (not just tankers, because when people see this, they hate vehicles in general). If the redline and those mountains weren't there, they'd be toast. Can't this be fixed? I guess I shouldn't be surprised if it won't. Lots of things need fixing. Chop chop, CCP! The lack of depth between opposing redlines causes this. To fix, make the map not wide but deep enough so that from you own redline you can not affect the objective. The answer
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17242	Posted - 2015.02.24 20:12:00 - [36] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Not sure why you're surprised, it's common knowledge that most Pilots aren't that good anyways. Says the guy that thinks because he has SP in vehicles, that makes him a competent pilot. Says the guy who with nearly all his SP in vehicles, is still not a competent pilot. I have over 77mil SP. More than half of it is in infantry, because there isn't any variety in vehicles. Why are you assuming I'm a bad pilot? Oh...... this is beautiful. Two bitter rivals arguing over the sematics of what is and isn't good/relevant/skilled. Neither is right, or even has a point for that matter, even after all this time and the build up of tears from either side. Well done gentlemen. You have made many people's days with the continued bitching and asshattery. "This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
CLONE117 True Pros Forever 892	Posted - 2015.02.24 21:37:00 - [37] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: You know why this is happening right? When Tanks actually worked on the field : AV maniacs demand more damage, because tanks could actually get kills. Now that Tanks don't work on the field: AV maniacs demand the tanks be forced from the redline because they want to blow them up, calling them lazy and cowardly. When tanks didn't appear on the field at all: AV maniacs cried that there was nothing to shoot, since they've specialized in AV. The above is just historical tidbits. The crazed AV users can be relied upon again and again to just whine out their ass stating "OP" whenever they see a tank getting more than 5 kills in a match, but they will ignore any dropsuit that can get 20+ kills a match. There are very few decent AV players who know balance. All of them happen to also drive Tanks or Dropships. :/ You left out one little piece of history: tanks were going 30/0 every freakin' match. Or maybe you just assume that's the way things should be? oh look! a large group of stupid clustered up red dots. im just going to fire in their general direction with my large blaster turret. +50+50+50+50+50+50+50+50 ect. if only we could pilot the mcc. id end the matches real quick.
Echo 1991 Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 736	Posted - 2015.02.24 21:53:00 - [38] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: maybe we would not "camp" if the stupid ass swarms did not make us redlined. Therefor your ******* yourselves commandos with swarms. SO STOP WHINING YOU BIT#HES To armour, swarms on a minmando with proficiency 5 does a little over 2k. 2 hardeners will lower it by 46% so it goes down to around 1100 damage per volley, maybe a bit more. It barely hurts a gunnlogi with one hardener. If armour tanks had better fitting you could fit a good rep and have enough HP to drive off. Swarms aren't the problem for armour tanks. Its just the fact that they can't fit a decent defence. Both are the problem. We can't enough reps, a plate slows us down, and a hardener costs too much to fit. Swarms do far too ,uh damage for how ridiculously easy they are to use. I have them, and Minmando to 5. I recent wasted a Soma in 4 volleys. That's far too powerful. Swarms arent the problem, if AV is hurting your tank it is working properly. However due to the fact that 2/3s of all AV is armour based it causes a huge problem for armour based vehicles. This is exacerbated by the fact that fitting room on the maddy is terrible, you can't fit tank and rep well and the turn speed is so bad you might as well just use a gunnlogi for everything. Buff the amour vehicles and see how AV is then. Stop calling for a nerf just because it works. Also you know that minmando bonus only gives you 200 extra damage right?
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17243	Posted - 2015.02.24 22:02:00 - [39] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: You know why this is happening right? When Tanks actually worked on the field : AV maniacs demand more damage, because tanks could actually get kills. Now that Tanks don't work on the field: AV maniacs demand the tanks be forced from the redline because they want to blow them up, calling them lazy and cowardly. When tanks didn't appear on the field at all: AV maniacs cried that there was nothing to shoot, since they've specialized in AV. The above is just historical tidbits. The crazed AV users can be relied upon again and again to just whine out their ass stating "OP" whenever they see a tank getting more than 5 kills in a match, but they will ignore any dropsuit that can get 20+ kills a match. There are very few decent AV players who know balance. All of them happen to also drive Tanks or Dropships. :/ You left out one little piece of history: tanks were going 30/0 every freakin' match. Or maybe you just assume that's the way things should be? oh look! a large group of stupid clustered up red dots. im just going to fire in their general direction with my large blaster turret. +50+50+50+50+50+50+50+50 ect. all of those tank kills could have easily been prevented. by finding some cover. its not that hard to avoid a tank. especially when all of those tank cannons have no splash damage. can you get pinned down by one? sure. but you can wait for some1 to organise some av and obliterate said tank. or let it get bored and see it move somewhere else. Yes and no.... Yes in the sense that infantry do some pretty silly thing like not using cover or terrain to their advantage and would likely have been mown down for their mistakes....and no at the same time because we were essentially using really really powerful Assault Rifles while remaining invulnerable to small arms fire. The latter was totally unfair and inappropriate for the main gun of an HAV. Being pin point accurate was an issue that led to our current....worsened issue. This being that previously we could snipe out to say 200m or so.... this I actually had no problem with as a tank without the ability to apply damage out to meaningful range again enemies would could accurately and effectively engage from those distances was IMO balanced and fair. However I do have to admit specific tanks like the Marauder and Enforcers (with high EHP or damage stats) pushed the paradigm to exploitable limits. Both tanks had damage bonus skills and when coupled with any number of damage modules of any sort (remember that old damage modules affected multiple stats including damage AND rate of fire) could theoretically have pushed damage out to in excess of 200 damage per round. Consequently it could almost be considered fair due to ISK investment, SP investment, and sheer ire it drew on the field. Issue was back then AV was not so accessible and players not so proficient in it as they were then. "This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
Lupus Wolf Minmatar Republic 123	Posted - 2015.02.25 00:45:00 - [40] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: Lupus Wolf wrote: Not even joking. Three Sicas with Particle Accelerators and damage mods sitting at different spots in the back of the redline. Whenever I got close and attacked one, the other two came over and they all fired at me. When I backed off, they all went back to their campy campy spots. Are you being serious right now? You give the rest of us vehicle users a bad name (not just tankers, because when people see this, they hate vehicles in general). If the redline and those mountains weren't there, they'd be toast. Can't this be fixed? I guess I shouldn't be surprised if it won't. Lots of things need fixing. Chop chop, CCP! Maybe AV was keeping them back there. Its all about rethinking the problem as well. Did you have AV in your squad? Did you bring other tankers? Shouldn't fault them if they were playing defensively. I roam all the time out of the line, engaging infantry, but won't put my ass on the line if the blueberries are not, and if their is epic AV or I am outnumber tank wise, I chill in a safe place. They stayed in the redline since the start of the match. Not because of AV, or because I was pushing them back, but because it was Ashland and the redline for that map is too close. The map's too small in general. Redundant usernames FTW *Quafe, you lied to me...* 30% Logi, 25% Tanker, 40% Dropship Pilot, 5% Drunk LAV Driver

Proto Annihilator 16 Vandals 383	Posted - 2015.02.25 01:06:00 - [41] - Quote Lupus Wolf wrote: Not even joking. Three Sicas with Particle Accelerators and damage mods sitting at different spots in the back of the redline. Whenever I got close and attacked one, the other two came over and they all fired at me. When I backed off, they all went back to their campy campy spots. Are you being serious right now? You give the rest of us vehicle users a bad name (not just tankers, because when people see this, they hate vehicles in general). If the redline and those mountains weren't there, they'd be toast. Can't this be fixed? I guess I shouldn't be surprised if it won't. Lots of things need fixing. Chop chop, CCP! With 4 they could have just pushed the line up, inch by inch if need be. You'd better hope they don't learn that. They could have a couple blasters in back to rotate reps with. They could murder and focus on av while they tank damage. It's sad that it takes two blasters to kill a swarmer. Who cares if you lose some somas? Then you will truly hate vehicles. You know you will run out of ammo. Who's going to keep you and the logis alive against ten guys with armor support.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1105	Posted - 2015.02.26 03:38:00 - [42] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: You left out one little piece of history: tanks were going 30/0 every freakin' match. Or maybe you just assume that's the way things should be? So, how long ago was this? Never recall seeing such a thing. I've been here about... 3? years now, and I've never had a time where I couldn't destroy a tank with an AV suit. I remember there was a time when tanks had moderate defense, but no one really had Proto AV yet. Lots of people were complaining about tanks because NOBODY would try to fight the tanks. I had basic Swarms and had no problems (that's right, not even ADV rank). After that time happened, the tanks were swapped out and given the current name sets we use here. The developers knew what kind of thing they were doing, because this psychological renaming trickery worked, and worked well. It's basically like a toddler looking up at a teenager and thinking how "op" the teenager seems, but then later after they've grown up, they keep expressing fears of that person relative to their toddler years, even though they've gone off to an office job and the "op" individual is still working at a gas station... It's the same things with tanks, that I've seen quite often here. People were unprepared, there were hardly anyone with AV skill sets back then. Of course there were all kinds of exaggerations that they would pull from this "legacy" era. Now, there are a lot more people with skills in AV, that a tank can be downed within 5 minutes of it being spotted on the field. Back then, you had to plan an attack on a tank. Get it when it rounded a certain corner etc, and you could solo them. Now.... well you can solo one by standing in the middle of a field and spamming your attack, while running straight at them, and this is known to have a reasonable chance of destroying them. Thinking back... the only time that tanks were absurd was when triple rep systems were clearly in need of reduction. In that instance, I could not kill a tank with my own AV setup (well, aside from remotes, but I mean handhelds like swarm and forge). http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2514	Posted - 2015.02.26 12:34:00 - [43] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: You know why this is happening right? When Tanks actually worked on the field : AV maniacs demand more damage, because tanks could actually get kills. Now that Tanks don't work on the field: AV maniacs demand the tanks be forced from the redline because they want to blow them up, calling them lazy and cowardly. When tanks didn't appear on the field at all: AV maniacs cried that there was nothing to shoot, since they've specialized in AV. The above is just historical tidbits. The crazed AV users can be relied upon again and again to just whine out their ass stating "OP" whenever they see a tank getting more than 5 kills in a match, but they will ignore any dropsuit that can get 20+ kills a match. There are very few decent AV players who know balance. All of them happen to also drive Tanks or Dropships. :/ You left out one little piece of history: tanks were going 30/0 every freakin' match. Or maybe you just assume that's the way things should be? But it's just fine when infantry go 30-2, right? Absolutely fine because they're killing other infantry, who have equal opportunity to kill them. But thanks for the red herring, i'll trade it to Cat Merc for a favor. Would you like to try again and sling your next cheap rhetorical device at me? PSN: RationalSpark
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2514	Posted - 2015.02.26 12:39:00 - [44] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: You left out one little piece of history: tanks were going 30/0 every freakin' match. Or maybe you just assume that's the way things should be? So, how long ago was this? Never recall seeing such a thing. I've been here about... 3? years now, and I've never had a time where I couldn't destroy a tank with an AV suit. I remember there was a time when tanks had moderate defense, but no one really had Proto AV yet. Lots of people were complaining about tanks because NOBODY would try to fight the tanks. I had basic Swarms and had no problems (that's right, not even ADV rank). After that time happened, the tanks were swapped out and given the current name sets we use here. The developers knew what kind of thing they were doing, because this psychological renaming trickery worked, and worked well. It's basically like a toddler looking up at a teenager and thinking how "op" the teenager seems, but then later after they've grown up, they keep expressing fears of that person relative to their toddler years, even though they've gone off to an office job and the "op" individual is still working at a gas station... It's the same things with tanks, that I've seen quite often here. People were unprepared, there were hardly anyone with AV skill sets back then. Of course there were all kinds of exaggerations that they would pull from this "legacy" era. Now, there are a lot more people with skills in AV, that a tank can be downed within 5 minutes of it being spotted on the field. Back then, you had to plan an attack on a tank. Get it when it rounded a certain corner etc, and you could solo them. Now.... well you can solo one by standing in the middle of a field and spamming your attack, while running straight at them, and this is known to have a reasonable chance of destroying them. Thinking back... the only time that tanks were absurd was when triple rep systems were clearly in need of reduction. In that instance, I could not kill a tank with my own AV setup (well, aside from remotes, but I mean handhelds like swarm and forge). Calling BS. Not even going to bother, tbh. There's enough vets around who remember what tanks were, and enough vets who have been running proto AV since closed beta. PSN: RationalSpark
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2514	Posted - 2015.02.26 12:59:00 - [45] - Quote We'll go round and round on this issue until Rat gives AV infantry tools to address the right variables: the dynamic waves-of-opportunity variables. That means ways to affect vehicle velocity, acceleration, regen cycles, regen amount, regen time. If peeps want stronger tanks that won't destroy the game then infantry needs the tools to deal with them. More DPS/more EHP is an almost pointless argument at this point. Establish an infantry toolset to address the dynamic vehicle/AV model we have and then make the vehicles as strong as they should be. My candidates for the right way to do this is web grenades and some kind of aimed DOT light/heavy weapons. Failing that, prepare for another few hundred vehicle/AV threads where we pointlessly chase our DPS/EHP tails, barking out the same tired arguments again and again. PSN: RationalSpark


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