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Sicerly Yaw wrote:

Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:

You know why this is happening right?

When Tanks actually worked on the field : AV maniacs demand more damage, because tanks could actually get kills.

Now that Tanks don't work on the field: AV maniacs demand the tanks be forced from the redline because they want to blow them up, calling them lazy and cowardly.

When tanks didn't appear on the field at all: AV maniacs cried that there was nothing to shoot, since they've specialized in AV.

The above is just historical tidbits. The crazed AV users can be relied upon again and again to just whine out their ass stating "OP" whenever they see a tank getting more than 5 kills in a match, but they will ignore any dropsuit that can get 20+ kills a match.

There are very few decent AV players who know balance. All of them happen to also drive Tanks or Dropships. :/

I might add that most of the people that complain about either side have not even skilled into the advanced and let alone proto fittings, a good proto tank can take on light AV and a good proto AV merc can take on most basic vehicles by themselves but both come at a price,

sure a squad of std av or just randoms all doing av can destroy a proto tank but thats 1v3+ which in any situation the 1 should more then likely always lose,

all that being said if you cant afford it dont do it and stop crying about it, I've lost plenty a python but so what I had fun and I got kills so its all good to me things seem balanced as they are

Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff

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Lupus Wolf Minmatar Republic 122	Posted - 2015.02.24 06:22:00 - [1] - Quote Not even joking. Three Sicas with Particle Accelerators and damage mods sitting at different spots in the back of the redline. Whenever I got close and attacked one, the other two came over and they all fired at me. When I backed off, they all went back to their campy campy spots. Are you being serious right now? You give the rest of us vehicle users a bad name (not just tankers, because when people see this, they hate vehicles in general). If the redline and those mountains weren't there, they'd be toast. Can't this be fixed? I guess I shouldn't be surprised if it won't. Lots of things need fixing. Chop chop, CCP! Redundant usernames FTW *Quafe, you lied to me...* 30% Logi, 25% Tanker, 40% Dropship Pilot, 5% Drunk LAV Driver
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3351	Posted - 2015.02.24 06:41:00 - [2] - Quote And this is why I'm against low vehicle limits. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
VAHZZ 590	Posted - 2015.02.24 06:47:00 - [3] - Quote I hate tanks with a passion, they did bad things to me in the olden days...I SHALL PURGE ALL TANKS! DO YOU HEAR ME!? THEY SHALL BUUURN! ~ Closed Beta Vet
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1976	Posted - 2015.02.24 07:16:00 - [4] - Quote It wouldn't be so bad if you could deploy equipment in the redline or had a guarantee that the "20 second" timer would remain at 20 seconds and not kill you at 14... I can't stand redline tanks, but at the same time, I kind of feel for some of them. Been chased into the redline numerous times by multiple AV'ers, enemy tanks, and Jiihad LAV's and have simply been unable to leave due to the constant assaults. I want to punch.
HOLY PERFECTION OUTCAST MERCS RISE of LEGION 43	Posted - 2015.02.24 07:18:00 - [5] - Quote maybe we would not "camp" if the stupid ass swarms did not make us redlined. Therefor your ***** yourselves commandos with swarms. SO STOP WHINING YOU BIT#HES I WILL WIN... DESTINY**
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 1269	Posted - 2015.02.24 07:25:00 - [6] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: maybe we would not "camp" if the stupid ass swarms did not make us redlined. Therefor your ******* yourselves commandos with swarms. SO STOP WHINING YOU BIT#HES Everybody wan go heaven.... Nobody wan die. Shxt hoppens Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1093	Posted - 2015.02.24 07:26:00 - [7] - Quote You know why this is happening right? When Tanks actually worked on the field : AV maniacs demand more damage, because tanks could actually get kills. Now that Tanks don't work on the field: AV maniacs demand the tanks be forced from the redline because they want to blow them up, calling them lazy and cowardly. When tanks didn't appear on the field at all: AV maniacs cried that there was nothing to shoot, since they've specialized in AV. The above is just historical tidbits. The crazed AV users can be relied upon again and again to just whine out their ass stating "OP" whenever they see a tank getting more than 5 kills in a match, but they will ignore any dropsuit that can get 20+ kills a match. There are very few decent AV players who know balance. All of them happen to also drive Tanks or Dropships. :/ http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
HOLY PERFECTION OUTCAST MERCS RISE of LEGION 43	Posted - 2015.02.24 07:30:00 - [8] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: You know why this is happening right? When Tanks actually worked on the field : AV maniacs demand more damage, because tanks could actually get kills. Now that Tanks don't work on the field: AV maniacs demand the tanks be forced from the redline because they want to blow them up, calling them lazy and cowardly. When tanks didn't appear on the field at all: AV maniacs cried that there was nothing to shoot, since they've specialized in AV. The above is just historical tidbits. The crazed AV users can be relied upon again and again to just whine out their ass stating "OP" whenever they see a tank getting more than 5 kills in a match, but they will ignore any dropsuit that can get 20+ kills a match. There are very few decent AV players who know balance. All of them happen to also drive Tanks or Dropships. :/ I agree, and know this happens to almost every AV person on the field. *I WILL WIN... DESTINY*
Genral69 death GG DOUCH BAG 78	Posted - 2015.02.24 11:16:00 - [9] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: I hate tanks with a passion, they did bad things to me in the olden days...I SHALL PURGE ALL TANKS! DO YOU HEAR ME!? THEY SHALL BUUURN! I like your sense of style and wish to see you burn them straight to hell
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 524	Posted - 2015.02.24 11:17:00 - [10] - Quote That made me laugh, just picturing it xDDD It's like a tank trap G.L.O.R.Y Soldier, I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3 -Heavy/Logi/Assault/Scout-
Echo 1991 Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 736	Posted - 2015.02.24 11:31:00 - [11] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: maybe we would not "camp" if the stupid ass swarms did not make us redlined. Therefor your ******* yourselves commandos with swarms. SO STOP WHINING YOU BIT#HES To armour, swarms on a minmando with proficiency 5 does a little over 2k. 2 hardeners will lower it by 46% so it goes down to around 1100 damage per volley, maybe a bit more. It barely hurts a gunnlogi with one hardener. If armour tanks had better fitting you could fit a good rep and have enough HP to drive off. Swarms aren't the problem for armour tanks. Its just the fact that they can't fit a decent defence.
diablo gamekeeper T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 8	Posted - 2015.02.24 11:42:00 - [12] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: It wouldn't be so bad if you could deploy equipment in the redline or had a guarantee that the "20 second" timer would remain at 20 seconds and not kill you at 14... I can't stand redline tanks, but at the same time, I kind of feel for some of them. Been chased into the redline numerous times by multiple AV'ers, enemy tanks, and Jiihad LAV's and have simply been unable to leave due to the constant assaults. or keep counting once you left the redline and then kill you
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 840	Posted - 2015.02.24 12:37:00 - [13] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Been chased into the redline numerous times by Jiihad LAV's and have simply been unable to leave due to the constant assaults. The redline is the last place you want to be when fending off a Jihad Jeep... Your main defence is stopping them detonating on your tank, but if you're in the red, they gonna blow up in 20 seconds even if they don't collide hard enough.
Racro 01 Arifistan Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 504	Posted - 2015.02.24 13:11:00 - [14] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: maybe we would not "camp" if the stupid ass swarms did not make us redlined. Therefor your ***** yourselves commandos with swarms. SO STOP WHINING YOU BIT#HES To armour, swarms on a minmando with proficiency 5 does a little over 2k. 2 hardeners will lower it by 46% so it goes down to around 1100 damage per volley, maybe a bit more. It barely hurts a gunnlogi with one hardener. If armour tanks had better fitting you could fit a good rep and have enough HP to drive off. Swarms aren't the problem for armour tanks. Its just the fact that they can't fit a decent defence. the way soma's and maddys are now. either they both need buffs in general or armour modules both hardners/reparis get buffed. preferably with reduced cpu........200 (exaggerated) cpu for a fckn complex armour nhardner is ludricous. it take less powergid. armour mods shouldn't be cpu intensive. so either reduce armour module fitting reqirments or both the soma's/madrugasrs to where they can actually field defence mods. Elite Gallenten Soldier**
Sinboto Simmons Dead Man's Game RUST415 7726	Posted - 2015.02.24 13:15:00 - [15] - Quote What ever happened to the shield bubble idea for the redline? Was a good one... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2 Born of the Brutor tribe
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 15754	Posted - 2015.02.24 13:20:00 - [16] - Quote Not sure why you're surprised, it's common knowledge that most Pilots aren't that good anyways. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 124	Posted - 2015.02.24 14:27:00 - [17] - Quote Happened to me one day.... 4 tanks... I stayed high trying to find the weak link... Only to come down to a barrage of red rail fire. They were winning. They were all redline special fits (7k ahp maddies, armor tanked gunnies... fits not good for normal use) So... I took out the jeep instead... I parked beside the tanks and let the redline timer blow me up or they shot me while i was beside their tank. It was glorious. And the only time i jeep Entering the void and becoming wind. Message for 1v1 air to air
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3293	Posted - 2015.02.24 15:02:00 - [18] - Quote IMO, there should be a friendly redline timer that's set at 1 min when you spawn in redline, and 20 seconds if you are re-entering it.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2990	Posted - 2015.02.24 15:40:00 - [19] - Quote Move the redline back half a Km. Also, don't redline the enemy, and don't complain when the other team takes out the only to PRO and officer stomping scrubs. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 887	Posted - 2015.02.24 15:44:00 - [20] - Quote Whiners got what they wanted. Vehicles are weak, without real role. Loyal to State https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2629870#post2629870 - Mejto's trade/sale list
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2990	Posted - 2015.02.24 15:46:00 - [21] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: You know why this is happening right? When Tanks actually worked on the field : AV maniacs demand more damage, because tanks could actually get kills. Now that Tanks don't work on the field: AV maniacs demand the tanks be forced from the redline because they want to blow them up, calling them lazy and cowardly. When tanks didn't appear on the field at all: AV maniacs cried that there was nothing to shoot, since they've specialized in AV. The above is just historical tidbits. The crazed AV users can be relied upon again and again to just whine out their ass stating "OP" whenever they see a tank getting more than 5 kills in a match, but they will ignore any dropsuit that can get 20+ kills a match. There are very few decent AV players who know balance. All of them happen to also drive Tanks or Dropships. :/ It's because we know the counters. I also know to stay right above a tank as much as possible when in an ADS, because someone does that to me, I'm looking up for the first opportunity to shoot them. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Sicerly Yaw Quantum times 31	Posted - 2015.02.24 15:52:00 - [22] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: You know why this is happening right? When Tanks actually worked on the field : AV maniacs demand more damage, because tanks could actually get kills. Now that Tanks don't work on the field: AV maniacs demand the tanks be forced from the redline because they want to blow them up, calling them lazy and cowardly. When tanks didn't appear on the field at all: AV maniacs cried that there was nothing to shoot, since they've specialized in AV. The above is just historical tidbits. The crazed AV users can be relied upon again and again to just whine out their ass stating "OP" whenever they see a tank getting more than 5 kills in a match, but they will ignore any dropsuit that can get 20+ kills a match. There are very few decent AV players who know balance. All of them happen to also drive Tanks or Dropships. :/ I might add that most of the people that complain about either side have not even skilled into the advanced and let alone proto fittings, a good proto tank can take on light AV and a good proto AV merc can take on most basic vehicles by themselves but both come at a price, sure a squad of std av or just randoms all doing av can destroy a proto tank but thats 1v3+ which in any situation the 1 should more then likely always lose, all that being said if you cant afford it dont do it and stop crying about it, I've lost plenty a python but so what I had fun and I got kills so its all good to me things seem balanced as they are
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2990	Posted - 2015.02.24 15:55:00 - [23] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: maybe we would not "camp" if the stupid ass swarms did not make us redlined. Therefor your ******* yourselves commandos with swarms. SO STOP WHINING YOU BIT#HES To armour, swarms on a minmando with proficiency 5 does a little over 2k. 2 hardeners will lower it by 46% so it goes down to around 1100 damage per volley, maybe a bit more. It barely hurts a gunnlogi with one hardener. If armour tanks had better fitting you could fit a good rep and have enough HP to drive off. Swarms aren't the problem for armour tanks. Its just the fact that they can't fit a decent defence. Both are the problem. We can't enough reps, a plate slows us down, and a hardener costs too much to fit. Swarms do far too ,uh damage for how ridiculously easy they are to use. I have them, and Minmando to 5. I recent wasted a Soma in 4 volleys. That's far too powerful. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2511	Posted - 2015.02.24 15:59:00 - [24] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: You know why this is happening right? When Tanks actually worked on the field : AV maniacs demand more damage, because tanks could actually get kills. Now that Tanks don't work on the field: AV maniacs demand the tanks be forced from the redline because they want to blow them up, calling them lazy and cowardly. When tanks didn't appear on the field at all: AV maniacs cried that there was nothing to shoot, since they've specialized in AV. The above is just historical tidbits. The crazed AV users can be relied upon again and again to just whine out their ass stating "OP" whenever they see a tank getting more than 5 kills in a match, but they will ignore any dropsuit that can get 20+ kills a match. There are very few decent AV players who know balance. All of them happen to also drive Tanks or Dropships. :/ You left out one little piece of history: tanks were going 30/0 every freakin' match. Or maybe you just assume that's the way things should be? PSN: RationalSpark
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2990	Posted - 2015.02.24 16:00:00 - [25] - Quote Atiim wrote: Not sure why you're surprised, it's common knowledge that most Pilots aren't that good anyways. Says the guy that thinks because he has SP in vehicles, that makes him a competent pilot. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 887	Posted - 2015.02.24 16:00:00 - [26] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: You know why this is happening right? When Tanks actually worked on the field : AV maniacs demand more damage, because tanks could actually get kills. Now that Tanks don't work on the field: AV maniacs demand the tanks be forced from the redline because they want to blow them up, calling them lazy and cowardly. When tanks didn't appear on the field at all: AV maniacs cried that there was nothing to shoot, since they've specialized in AV. The above is just historical tidbits. The crazed AV users can be relied upon again and again to just whine out their ass stating "OP" whenever they see a tank getting more than 5 kills in a match, but they will ignore any dropsuit that can get 20+ kills a match. There are very few decent AV players who know balance. All of them happen to also drive Tanks or Dropships. :/ It's because we know the counters. I also know to stay right above a tank as much as possible when in an ADS, because someone does that to me, I'm looking up for the first opportunity to shoot them. Nowdays using ADS to destroy someones tank is pointless. Tanker will turn on two hardeners and he will exit his tank. Now ADS pilot will have to survive swarms [maxed skills,minmando] or cal forger [maxed skills]. Python will have small chance to survive. Incubus.. straight up dead. Loyal to State https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2629870#post2629870 - Mejto's trade/sale list
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 15759	Posted - 2015.02.24 16:02:00 - [27] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Not sure why you're surprised, it's common knowledge that most Pilots aren't that good anyways. Says the guy that thinks because he has SP in vehicles, that makes him a competent pilot. Says the guy who with nearly all his SP in vehicles, is still not a competent pilot. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2990	Posted - 2015.02.24 16:04:00 - [28] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: IMO, there should be a friendly redline timer that's set at 1 min when you spawn in redline, and 20 seconds if you are re-entering it. So if I have to get up to take a leak, I have to take a stupid death? Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2990	Posted - 2015.02.24 16:07:00 - [29] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Whiners got what they wanted. Vehicles are weak, without real role. That's because those that didn't use vehicles had the sole voice in the direction they took. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2990	Posted - 2015.02.24 16:10:00 - [30] - Quote Sicerly Yaw wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: You know why this is happening right? When Tanks actually worked on the field : AV maniacs demand more damage, because tanks could actually get kills. Now that Tanks don't work on the field: AV maniacs demand the tanks be forced from the redline because they want to blow them up, calling them lazy and cowardly. When tanks didn't appear on the field at all: AV maniacs cried that there was nothing to shoot, since they've specialized in AV. The above is just historical tidbits. The crazed AV users can be relied upon again and again to just whine out their ass stating "OP" whenever they see a tank getting more than 5 kills in a match, but they will ignore any dropsuit that can get 20+ kills a match. There are very few decent AV players who know balance. All of them happen to also drive Tanks or Dropships. :/ I might add that most of the people that complain about either side have not even skilled into the advanced and let alone proto fittings, a good proto tank can take on light AV and a good proto AV merc can take on most basic vehicles by themselves but both come at a price, sure a squad of std av or just randoms all doing av can destroy a proto tank but thats 1v3+ which in any situation the 1 should more then likely always lose, all that being said if you cant afford it dont do it and stop crying about it, I've lost plenty a python but so what I had fun and I got kills so its all good to me things seem balanced as they are What "PRO tank" are you talking about? Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff

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