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manboar thunder fist
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.02.23 18:36:00 -
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Lol it's just getting a bit silly, golden maniacs dropping little brown pads everywhere and killing proto suits for free without skill, at no cost to themselves. Swap it out to a rep tool or uplink or something else!!!! No need for remotes on an assault, just seen a guy go 25-16... He killed 25 people for free while my caring about losing his own suits. It's just a broken tactic now that arises out of desperation, it's bad enough that smart deploy tends to put you in little boxes or rooms :L
"If there is a strafe nerf in this game, remove hit detection"- manboar 2014
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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD
RUST415
746
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Posted - 2015.02.23 19:29:00 -
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Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous.
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3285
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Posted - 2015.02.23 19:57:00 -
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Between that and APEX HMGs jumping out of BPO LAVs, these risk-free scrubby tactics are becoming annoying.
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Kain Spero
Negative-Feedback.
4610
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Posted - 2015.02.23 20:03:00 -
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The title should be more like: "Can we remove the trashy remote spam now?"
If the RE was meant to be a trap then add a 10-15 second activation delay. If it's going to keep being used like a grenade then make it show up on passive scans. Really needs to be one or the other.
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Jebus McKing
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.02.23 21:45:00 -
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STD REs have an activation timer of what? 5 seconds? To be honest, if someone drops a RE close to your feet, is still alive after 5 seconds, AND you are still in range of the RE, then I'd say 9 out of 10 times you deserved what is coming to you.
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Aderek
Made in Poland...
E-R-A
118
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Posted - 2015.02.23 21:52:00 -
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Not for free, but 100k LP (or AUR).
You can do it, if can you win 100 battles for Minmatar :)
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
7994
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Posted - 2015.02.23 21:54:00 -
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Jebus McKing wrote:STD REs have an activation timer of what? 5 seconds? To be honest, if someone drops a RE close to your feet, is still alive after 5 seconds, AND you are still in range of the RE, then I'd say 9 out of 10 times you deserved what is coming to you.
I agree with this.
However from what I hear the 5 seconds isn't what actually happens in game, at least from what I experience using them.
I don't think REs are the worst abuse by far though.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
1788
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Posted - 2015.02.23 22:02:00 -
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Jebus McKing wrote:STD REs have an activation timer of what? 5 seconds? To be honest, if someone drops a RE close to your feet, is still alive after 5 seconds, AND you are still in range of the RE, then I'd say 9 out of 10 times you deserved what is coming to you.
2,5 seconds.
The annouced changes did not evidently go through to live builds.
Add some victim side latency on rendering RE use then the time is something like 1,5 to 1 seconds.
Add human reaction time of 0,5 seconds and we are at that complained 0,5 to 1 seconds which is usually not enough to get out of range.
The answer
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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
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Posted - 2015.02.23 22:14:00 -
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Yes it's annoying, but they paid for it. What do you expect. I mean, just give em 1 or 2 and increase activation on all REs a bit
48th Special Operations Force.
Twitter- @48SOF
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
17218
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Posted - 2015.02.23 22:15:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous.
But when people are doing this to 600,000 ISK tanks "it's all cool bro"
Cry me a river. The infantry JLAV has been created! Suffer it's wrath!
"This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
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THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
1519
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Posted - 2015.02.23 22:45:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous. But when people are doing this to 600,000 ISK tanks "it's all cool bro"Cry me a river. The infantry JLAV has been created! Suffer it's wrath!
Essentially this
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Nos Nothi
4325
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Posted - 2015.02.23 23:19:00 -
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Jebus McKing wrote:STD REs have an activation timer of what? 5 seconds? To be honest, if someone drops a RE close to your feet, is still alive after 5 seconds, AND you are still in range of the RE, then I'd say 9 out of 10 times you deserved what is coming to you.
I would agree with you except it isn't 5 seconds.
Guys, we need to stop calling MU a 'matchmaker' when it's actually a 'teambuilder'.
And I want to play FE:A now. Damn.
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Nos Nothi
4325
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Posted - 2015.02.23 23:20:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous. But when people are doing this to 600,000 ISK tanks "it's all cool bro"Cry me a river. The infantry JLAV has been created! Suffer it's wrath!
I'm gonna complain about this too though 
Guys, we need to stop calling MU a 'matchmaker' when it's actually a 'teambuilder'.
And I want to play FE:A now. Damn.
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Stormblade Green
KnightKiller's inc.
11
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Posted - 2015.02.23 23:54:00 -
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manboar thunder fist wrote:Lol it's just getting a bit silly, golden maniacs dropping little brown pads everywhere and killing proto suits for free without skill, at no cost to themselves. Swap it out to a rep tool or uplink or something else!!!! No need for remotes on an assault, just seen a guy go 25-16... He killed 25 people for free while my caring about losing his own suits. It's just a broken tactic now that arises out of desperation, it's bad enough that smart deploy tends to put you in little boxes or rooms :L
A friend of mine killed 57 people with the Nomad Assualt..... but then again almost everybody on his side (including me) were running REs. ISK and BPO alike. I still remember how hard those red berries tried!!! It was hilarious.
One might say... I'm very skilled... yet I'm his apprentice... So what does that say about my mentor?
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manboar thunder fist
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
371
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Posted - 2015.02.24 01:02:00 -
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Ok so the other apex suits have equipment that is comparatively trashy compared to proto gear, for example the caldari nanohive and scanner aren't much use at all... In comparison this standard re on the apex nomad is just as effective at killing as any other re, I propose an re where you only have one to start but can stock 2 with nanohives. This would atleast prevent the spawn and die suicide bombers which are frankly just absurd lol
"If there is a strafe nerf in this game, remove hit detection"- manboar 2014
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5044
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Posted - 2015.02.24 01:28:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous. But when people are doing this to 600,000 ISK tanks "it's all cool bro"Cry me a river. The infantry JLAV has been created! Suffer it's wrath!
So goddamn true.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
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manboar thunder fist
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
371
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Posted - 2015.02.24 01:30:00 -
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A good tanker can shoot down any such attempt though, just shooting the res on the front is even enough to counter, the whole point with infantry is that the detonation time is not such to warrant any escape for most suits. Atleast with vehicles you can maneuver and attack the incoming jlav
"If there is a strafe nerf in this game, remove hit detection"- manboar 2014
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5044
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Posted - 2015.02.24 01:34:00 -
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manboar thunder fist wrote:A good tanker can shoot down any such attempt though, just shooting the res on the front is even enough to counter, the whole point with infantry is that the detonation time is not such to warrant any escape for most suits. Atleast with vehicles you can maneuver and attack the incoming jlav
A good infantryman can shoot down any such attempt though, just shooting the low HP scout in the chest is enough to counter.
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manboar thunder fist
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
371
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Posted - 2015.02.24 01:42:00 -
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The Apex nomad assault is well tanked and quite speedy. The issue is that this guy doesn't care if he dies 20 times, as long as he takes 40 people wit him in easy 1 shot kill spam and die tactics. At times you are stuck spawning in a room due to smart deploy or uplinks, in such a case, these guys can just keep spawning jumping in and chucking res, often at long distances like 15 m, there is no time to react as even if you move the re isn't where the animation shows, and the range for explosion is larger than one can cover before it primes
"If there is a strafe nerf in this game, remove hit detection"- manboar 2014
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NINEinch WEAPON
WarRavens
59
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Posted - 2015.02.24 02:16:00 -
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Don't become part of the solution..., become part of the problem...
It seems to get fixed faster that way..
"winning" an inch at a time
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
17230
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Posted - 2015.02.24 02:41:00 -
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manboar thunder fist wrote:A good tanker can shoot down any such attempt though, just shooting the res on the front is even enough to counter, the whole point with infantry is that the detonation time is not such to warrant any escape for most suits. Atleast with vehicles you can maneuver and attack the incoming jlav
Have you tried hit something the size of an ipad with a Large Blaster Turret recently? Have you attempted to aim down in a Gunnlogi?
Sir please if you are going to attempt to make ignorant statements to grossly over simplify a specific act in the game two can play but Pokey got to it first.
"This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
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manboar thunder fist
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.02.24 02:46:00 -
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Yes I have. All you do is shoot at the front of the incoming lav and it blows up into a fire ball.
If you reverse then the acceleration means the lav doesn't even explode when it hits you, just drives along or bounces off.
To properly detonate a jlav the tanks momentum needs to oppose that of the lav, this can happen when a tanker reversed into lav, drives straight into one or hits one sideways.
Don't exaggerate difficulty, it's detrimental to the process
I tank and have used a jlav too, it's just silly to assume the other hasn't experienced the same
"If there is a strafe nerf in this game, remove hit detection"- manboar 2014
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
17230
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Posted - 2015.02.24 02:51:00 -
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manboar thunder fist wrote:The Apex BPO coupled with the standard LAV BPO quite speedy. The issue is that this guy doesn't care if he dies 20 times, as long as he takes 1 tank wit him in easy 1 shot kill spam and die tactics. At times you are stuck in enclosed spaces like sockets, in such a case, these guys can just keep spawning jumping in and chucking res, often covering long distances like 250 m, there is no time to react as even if you move the re isn't where the animation shows, and the range for explosion is larger than one can cover before it primes
I think we're done here.
The entire premise of your complaint is the same as mine was months ago.
"This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
Negative-Feedback
15753
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Posted - 2015.02.24 02:57:00 -
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If you let someone get close enough to you with REs and stay there for the timer to expire, you deserve to die.
From any perspective however, the APEX is not free as it costs 100k LP and 10mil ISK coupled by the amount of ISK that will be spent while working for the LP required to purchase it.
The 1st Matari Commando
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
17230
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Posted - 2015.02.24 03:03:00 -
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Atiim wrote:If you let someone get close enough to you with REs and stay there for the timer to expire, you deserve to die.
From any perspective however, the APEX is not free as it costs 100k LP and 10mil ISK coupled by the amount of ISK that will be spent while working for the LP required to purchase it.
That's a valid point. Though at this point I can also make a JLAV for about 15,000 ISK all up using dem BPO's.
This could all be resolved is CCP gave me and me alone a Soma Blue Print Original with the words "That could" emblazoned on the side.
"This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
1019
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Posted - 2015.02.24 03:40:00 -
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Hmm...
I recommending making basic remotes have only one remote. Maybe give it a slight damage buff (but not a range buff) to compensate. It'd still be viable, but harder to use, and would be spammed less.
Who cares what some sniper has to say.
CCP, let's push for the license of Dust/Legion on both current Gen consoles!
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duster 35000
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
295
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Posted - 2015.02.24 03:40:00 -
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manboar thunder fist wrote:Lol it's just getting a bit silly, golden maniacs dropping little brown pads everywhere and killing proto suits for free without skill, at no cost to themselves. Swap it out to a rep tool or uplink or something else!!!! No need for remotes on an assault, just seen a guy go 25-16... He killed 25 people for free while my caring about losing his own suits. It's just a broken tactic now that arises out of desperation, it's bad enough that smart deploy tends to put you in little boxes or rooms :L
Hmmm.
Hmmmmmmmm
No.
Molestia approved
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Logi Bro
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
3463
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Posted - 2015.02.24 03:47:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous. But when people are doing this to 600,000 ISK tanks "it's all cool bro"Cry me a river. The infantry JLAV has been created! Suffer it's wrath!
Classy argument. Quote something completely unrelated as a reason to not fix something that is clearly broken.
You're just acting like a toddler, "if I can't get want I want, no one can." If you actually care about your little problem, make a thread about it, otherwise gtfo, because your only purpose in this thread is bitching for the sake of bitching.
Unrelated to the the post I quoted, RE timers are not 5 seconds, so try coming up with a different argument, RE apologists.
SP Sinks? Fixed.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
17231
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Posted - 2015.02.24 04:08:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:True Adamance wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous. But when people are doing this to 600,000 ISK tanks "it's all cool bro"Cry me a river. The infantry JLAV has been created! Suffer it's wrath! Classy argument. Quote something completely unrelated as a reason to not fix something that is clearly broken. You're just acting like a toddler, "if I can't get want I want, no one can." If you actually care about your little problem, make a thread about it, otherwise gtfo, because your only purpose in this thread is bitching for the sake of bitching. Unrelated to the the post I quoted, RE timers are not 5 seconds, so try coming up with a different argument, RE apologists.
I've made the argument before with we reasoned points. There is no longer a reason for the JLAV to continue to exist as in the same manner the OP of this thread has himself stated it is a matter of a specific tactic of weapon applying with little or no cost to the user an instant kill option upon another player.
Now the issue here for me isn't actually OHKO options. I'm very used to those in WT:GF however its the ISK disparity. This particular technique required no ISK investment on the user's part in many cases thanks to LAV and dropsuit BPO mitigating the risks/ negative aspects.
I have no issue with the JLAV being a tool. For example using its inertia to ran the HAV or vehicle for less than OHKO damage pending a follow up of AV grenades or Swarms. However the magic missile guided by player intelligence is immersion breaking.
"This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
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Kain Spero
Negative-Feedback.
4612
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Posted - 2015.02.24 04:19:00 -
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Jebus McKing wrote:STD REs have an activation timer of what? 5 seconds? To be honest, if someone drops a RE close to your feet, is still alive after 5 seconds, AND you are still in range of the RE, then I'd say 9 out of 10 times you deserved what is coming to you.
Wrong. The timer starts as soon as it leaves your hand not after it sticks, so it has the same fuse as a grenade. Probably unintentional behavior.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
6876
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Posted - 2015.02.24 04:30:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:
If you want to use RE's offensively then you should be more than fine with them showing up on passive scans.
That'd kinda ruin the "trap setting" aspect, right?
Perhaps they could show up on passive scans between time of toss and time armed ... briefly visible when tossed ... invisible once armed (unless active scanned).
Shoot scout with yes.
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Kain Spero
Negative-Feedback.
4612
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Posted - 2015.02.24 04:37:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Kain Spero wrote:
If you want to use RE's offensively then you should be more than fine with them showing up on passive scans.
That'd kinda ruin the "trap setting" aspect, right? Perhaps they could show up on passive scans between time of toss and time armed ... briefly visible when tossed ... invisible once armed (unless active scanned).
I see it as a binary choice. Either RE users accept a longer activation time so they can use it as a trap or the show up like grenades while they have the same fuse time as a grenade.
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
691
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Posted - 2015.02.24 06:33:00 -
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The point about free suit suicide combat is valid.
As far as REs are concerned -- even the ISK and AUR versions shouldn't work like they do.
If they made it so you have to stop moving to drop an RE+ slightly reduce throw inertia, then we wouldn't have frisbee REs and suicide jacket runs but people could still use them for traps in the heat of combat.
Doesn't do anything about the Jlav, but then again I am not a vehicle person so I don't feel qualified to discourse about that.
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