Good job, you completely missed the point of the thread.

This thread is not here to discuss "OMG SWARMS ARE OP AGAINST TANKS!"

It's to discuss the relative differences between non-commandos using AV, and Commandos using AV. Not how they perform against vehicles because all of those values will be changing anyways so right now its irrelevant. So please remain on-topic and hold your grievances above how AV balances against HAVs, because we're not talking about that right now.

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Anyways.

So crunching the numbers for the Gallente Commando....its comical in that a Caldari Commando can actually do more DPS...not much, but a little more. As for how the Gallmando compares to say an Assault, the Alpha is again....nearly identical. Where it really shines is in the sustained DPS, primarily due to its reload speed.

As for the Minmatar Commando, it's really not that much different. The difference in alpha is really pretty close, around 5%, but the real gem is the sustained DPS...again because the reload shaves off quite a bit of lost time. The reason the Minmatar Commando can muster more alpha than the triple modded Nonmmando is because it can fit 2 damage mods, whereas the Gallente cannot.

So in short, the Commandos are not capable of putting out much more DPS than a Nonmmando *until* the reload comes, at which point the DPS increases by a good margin. For a PLC this is after 1 shot, and a Swarm after 3, obviously.


So that begs the question of....where do you want things to land? I don't think innately changing the Commando bonuses is what needs to happen....their bonuses have good use in non-AV situations and nerfing the bonuses are simply going to cause collateral nerfs in areas where it is not needed.

That being said, it really comes down to How do you change the weapon so that the Commando bonus is not overbearing in its effectiveness. We've established that the differences in alpha are not too significant, so what it really comes down to is "How do we modify the Reload and Lock-On/Charge time of the Swarm/PLC so that the Reload bonus of the Commando is useful, but not overbearing."

The argument is pilots vs forum/spreadsheet warriors. That's experience vs people that make charts.

Experience > chartmaking

Funny how by pointing out bad ideas, it's being toxic to the community and you want my voice silenced because of it.

Me and Doc use vehicles. I never see you, Pokey or Breakin in game. I play domination every day, so there's a damn good chance I'd see a bunch of people from the forums in game. But.............................................. I rarely do. Seems everybody has these incredible ideas they want implemented over all others, without actually being able to compare anything. Numbers on a chart is not the same thing as actually watching your HP melt away by AV.

As I've been saying, experience will trump spreadsheets every time. Do all the fancy equations you want, they may or may not translate to actual gameplay. Nobody has explained how AV being a deterrent would be a bad thing. Nobody has explained to me why a tank being its own best counter is a bad thing. Nobody has explained to me how it's a good thing that a weapon which does all the aiming for the user has such incredible damage. Nobody has explained why it's a good thing that the top AV grenade does ~1800 damage against unhardened armor.

Nobody validates AV doing such incredible damage.

And I also don't use profanity on here. Might want to watch what you type.

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The argument is pilots vs forum/spreadsheet warriors. That's experience vs people that make charts.

Experience > chartmaking