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jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 173	Posted - 2015.02.19 02:15:00 - [1] - Quote Who decided it was a team game? Since some people say it is team game I will treat it as such, However They are probably in the minority and I really don't get where there certainty comes from. When you have a group of people with a common goal teamwork is important and rewarding but there is no solid reason to think dust is actually supposed to be that type of experience, that type of experience is not hard to find, in fact it should be a big part of your life. If you call someone a "mercenary" or a "warlord" then isn't it obvious you are saying they are NOT a team player? Sure the game has teams but what is wrong with assuming the reason there are teams is to make the game interesting because the point of games is to be interesting? Some people have just decided the opinion "there are teams so it must be team game" is right and the opinion "It is a game and games are supposed to be fun" is wrong. I am sorry, but those people should not expect people to treat baseless decisions as solid facts, I will treat it as team game to spare myself reading irrational garbage.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 2124	Posted - 2015.02.19 02:16:00 - [2] - Quote Naiyan san Who wants some?
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 7800	Posted - 2015.02.19 02:53:00 - [3] - Quote Talk to Atilla the Hun about being a warlord, homie. Dude didn't conquer so much all by his lonesome. "You don't want McSyphilis. Don't nobody want McSyphilis." - One Eyed King
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 7880	Posted - 2015.02.19 02:58:00 - [4] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Talk to Atilla the Hun about being a warlord, homie. Dude didn't conquer so much all by his lonesome. I enjoy your sig immensely. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Vell0cet OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2773	Posted - 2015.02.19 03:10:00 - [5] - Quote Well for one thing this game evolved out of EVE to a large extent. EVE is a team game in many respects. Yes there are exceptions like highsec care bears, solo PvPers and traders, but by and large it's designed so that it would take decades to be good at everything, so you'll need to specialize your character and work with others who have skills that compliment your own expertise to do well. DUST grew out of this mindset. Yes it is a separate game, but the core is very similar in many respects. Secondly, logistics are very powerful in DUST. They're a true force multiplier and require coordination and teamwork for them to be most effective. Having squads that share tacnet, work together to earn orbitals, and synergies like rep tools with heavies, and vehicle pilots with skilled gunners all add up to making teams greater than the sum of their parts. Ultimately this is a good thing, because it creates deep and interesting tactical fights with teamwork being critical to success. When you have two evenly matched teams fighting each other, DUST is probably the richest and most fun FPS ever made. The problem of course is that these fights don't happen as often as they should (which is a separate issue). Best PvE idea ever!
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 2192	Posted - 2015.02.19 03:10:00 - [6] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Talk to Atilla the Hun about being a warlord, homie. Dude didn't conquer so much all by his lonesome. ^ Neither did any general. Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 2125	Posted - 2015.02.19 03:38:00 - [7] - Quote What I am getting at is squad based gameplay trumps solo. You can still do everything you do solo in a squad. Except waste your wp and be useless on comms. If you want to improve your chances of winning join a squad. I suppose you could still be useless on comms, but why would you? Who wants some?
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 1247	Posted - 2015.02.19 03:40:00 - [8] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Talk to Atilla the Hun about being a warlord, homie. Dude didn't conquer so much all by his lonesome. Alexander the great agrees. Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 1247	Posted - 2015.02.19 03:44:00 - [9] - Quote Hell, even MJ needed scottie, look at countless greats in many competetive fields who couldn't go it alone. Barry Sanders is arguably one of the greatest running backs of all time...you know why he doesnt have a ring? His team sucked. That's a double sided argument, he could take solace in knowing he is one of the greats, but people can still knock him for not winning a damn thing in a game that is centered around winning. Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 173	Posted - 2015.02.19 03:52:00 - [10] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Talk to Atilla the Hun about being a warlord, homie. Dude didn't conquer so much all by his lonesome. So you agree with the obvious point I made in the OP about teamwork, Why do that.

Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 2125	Posted - 2015.02.19 03:53:00 - [11] - Quote I play solo often but still support the team in almost every action I take. This is not to say I'm not on team chat. I am also always looking for a squad to bolster. We are mercenaries in the sense that we get paid. We are excellent mercenaries when we win. Top the leader boards and keep our losses down. It is much easier to do this in squad. If you are having trouble finding a squad you can enjoy type Darken into your chat finder. There are plenty of decent folks there. The wolves will pick you up if your not a douche. Who wants some?
jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 173	Posted - 2015.02.19 03:53:00 - [12] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Alexander the great agrees. You also agree with obvious point about teamwork I made in the OP, I also ask you why bother pointing out teamwork can be good in certain circumstances.
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 1248	Posted - 2015.02.19 03:57:00 - [13] - Quote jane stalin wrote: Reign Omega wrote: Alexander the great agrees. You also agree with obvious point about teamwork I made in the OP, I also ask you why bother pointing out teamwork can be good in certain circumstances. Teamwork is just good all around, teamwork in a shooter doesnt imply standing right next to your whole squad all the time. Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 15678	Posted - 2015.02.19 04:02:00 - [14] - Quote The players and DEVs who wanted this game to be competitive? The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 2125	Posted - 2015.02.19 04:05:00 - [15] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: jane stalin wrote: Reign Omega wrote: Alexander the great agrees. You also agree with obvious point about teamwork I made in the OP, I also ask you why bother pointing out teamwork can be good in certain circumstances. Teamwork is just good all around, teamwork in a shooter doesnt imply standing right next to your whole squad all the time. We have Intel officers. A guy who can check the map for gunfire, troop movement, and vehicles. He can be in the red line or we can watch his back. Either way it's a highly important role. Before we had a zero tax he got paid from the xorp. Who wants some?
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 1248	Posted - 2015.02.19 04:10:00 - [16] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Reign Omega wrote: jane stalin wrote: Reign Omega wrote: Alexander the great agrees. You also agree with obvious point about teamwork I made in the OP, I also ask you why bother pointing out teamwork can be good in certain circumstances. Teamwork is just good all around, teamwork in a shooter doesnt imply standing right next to your whole squad all the time. We have Intel officers. A guy who can check the map for gunfire, troop movement, and vehicles. He can be in the red line or we can watch his back. Either way it's a highly important role. Before we had a zero tax he got paid from the xorp. Exactly, intel, scouting, hacking, diversion. Doesn't mean they're in the middle of the pit slugging it out but theyre contributing to the win, and sharing valuable information on comms. I cant count how many times I sat in a dark corner with a damped scout with precision mods and a range amp or two just feeding my team constant passives back in 1.8 Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 173	Posted - 2015.02.19 04:10:00 - [17] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: jane stalin wrote: Reign Omega wrote: Alexander the great agrees. You also agree with obvious point about teamwork I made in the OP, I also ask you why bother pointing out teamwork can be good in certain circumstances. Teamwork is just good all around, teamwork in a shooter doesnt imply standing right next to your whole squad all the time. Yes teamwork can be good, I will not deny that , however why assume everyone wants it all the time, As for my point about warlords I think it still stands. "Colin Powell the team player" does NOT mean the same thing as "Colin Powell the Warlord"
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 2127	Posted - 2015.02.19 04:13:00 - [18] - Quote jane stalin wrote: Reign Omega wrote: jane stalin wrote: Reign Omega wrote: Alexander the great agrees. You also agree with obvious point about teamwork I made in the OP, I also ask you why bother pointing out teamwork can be good in certain circumstances. Teamwork is just good all around, teamwork in a shooter doesnt imply standing right next to your whole squad all the time. Yes teamwork can be good, I will not deny that , however why assume everyone wants it all the time, As for my point about warlords I think it still stands. "Colin Powell the team player" does NOT mean the same thing as "Colin Powell the Warlord" Colin Powell solo would be completely useless. So there's that Who wants some?
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 3032	Posted - 2015.02.19 04:24:00 - [19] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Talk to Atilla the Hun about being a warlord, homie. Dude didn't conquer so much all by his lonesome. Alexander the great agrees. Chuck Norris takes exception. KDR matchmaking would patch all the patches into pure patchitudity.
jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 173	Posted - 2015.02.19 04:57:00 - [20] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Colin Powell solo would be completely useless. So there's that[/quote] That is not my experience of the game, To me it seems very different to a game like left 4 dead, I will start playing it that way to keep people happy. As an Amarr logi I play solo and do OK even with appalling skills, you just have to know the maps well and know where to put uplinks and how to defend from those naughty scrub scouts until a decent scout or heavy eats you. I my last 5 games I was averaging 1200WP and in 2 of the games I got more WP than any other player.

Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 455	Posted - 2015.02.19 05:28:00 - [21] - Quote It was a team game. Rat and the boys, along with COD whiners are turning it into an arena rumble. CCP has abandoned this game as a valid part of their initiative beyond EVE. It's back to the drawing board on developing that massive ground combat game they planned. DUST is left open because it kept a playerbase. That playerbase, as CCP found out, wants the usual console run and gun controller (gun game? Lol) epeen kiddie crap. Time to put the real ground combat warfare strategy game back on the PC with the big boys. Death is a serious business. So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
P14GU3 Savage Bullet 1251	Posted - 2015.02.19 13:15:00 - [22] - Quote a game where you have to rely on your teammates to win the battle? Doesn't sound like a team game at all I mean come on, look at the similarities between dust and a non-team game, like golf, or bowling. They are basically identical 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
Malevolent Muffin Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2015.02.19 18:50:00 - [23] - Quote jane stalin wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: Colin Powell solo would be completely useless. So there's that That is not my experience of the game, To me it seems very different to a game like left 4 dead, I will start playing it that way to keep people happy. As an Amarr logi I play solo and do OK even with appalling skills, you just have to know the maps well and know where to put uplinks and how to defend from those naughty scrub scouts until a decent scout or heavy eats you. I my last 5 games I was averaging 1200WP and in 2 of the games I got more WP than any other player. Clone D
jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 173	Posted - 2015.02.19 19:06:00 - [24] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: a game where you have to rely on your teammates to win the battle? Doesn't sound like a team game at all I mean come on, look at the similarities between dust and a non-team game, like golf, or bowling. They are basically identical Are you being serious? Did you read the opening post?
JJ'S Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.02.19 22:31:00 - [25] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: What I am getting at is squad based gameplay trumps solo. You can still do everything you do solo in a squad. Except waste your wp and be useless on comms. If you want to improve your chances of winning join a squad. I suppose you could still be useless on comms, but why would you? That is a natural buff to running with a coordinated group of people communicating with each other. DUST has always had this. Even with 4 player squads in a time when matches only had what 12 players max per side in open beta? Corporation battles where 8vs8? Yes squad size was smaller then but so was the over all team size. As PC became a thing and DUST became more popular in active players there was a public cry to let squads have more players as often times friends would be left out. Now that DUST does not promote much activity in gameplay, it is hard to get a consistent group of active players in large scale outside of PC corporations to fill a 6 man squad daily. This game is basically full of casual lone wolfs now... that come on and play an hour or two a week... usually by themselves or with a few other friends. Even though we have spent the last year nerfing this playstyle.. This is the type of player you attract with the mechanic changes DUST has chosen to focus on. There is no reason to play DUST beyond PC competition and to have a free to play shooter on the ps3. Just like there is no reason for tanks in competitive play. There is no reason for dropships to exist other then a flying slayer platform. Or unbalanced map construction and taking advantage of high spots. What are snipers for? Where do they play on maps? What are commandos for? Where do they play? You get the theme? DUST is just a game wondering around in the dark with a collection of assets that was assembled for a game that USED to have vision on what to do with these assets. DUST has had no Vision no "Reason" for even the game or the main items and concepts of the game to even exists.. No reason or aspiration to even grind SP other then to better a peer or a broken meaningless PC system. This game is lost and has no vision.
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 1253	Posted - 2015.02.19 22:52:00 - [26] - Quote Proper snipers are team players, proper commandoes compliment squads. Irrelevant points are irrelevant. Once again, you dont have to stand right next to 15 other dudes to play as a team. Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 2141	Posted - 2015.02.19 23:03:00 - [27] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Proper snipers are team players, proper commandoes compliment squads. Irrelevant points are irrelevant. Once again, you dont have to stand right next to 15 other dudes to play as a team. My uncle was in desert storm. He told me as a squad leader all he had to do was watch for movement and fire a few tracers. The whole squad would turn and fire until no movement. I tried this with a Lazer commando to great effect. Concentrated fire is op. Who wants some?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18694	Posted - 2015.02.20 05:29:00 - [28] - Quote Says everyone who complains they got who'd proto-stomped. :P CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 1254	Posted - 2015.02.20 05:39:00 - [29] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Reign Omega wrote: Proper snipers are team players, proper commandoes compliment squads. Irrelevant points are irrelevant. Once again, you dont have to stand right next to 15 other dudes to play as a team. My uncle was in desert storm. He told me as a squad leader all he had to do was watch for movement and fire a few tracers. The whole squad would turn and fire until no movement. I tried this with a Lazer commando to great effect. Concentrated fire is op. Haha that's awesome. I used to use the flaylock like a flare gun when it was crap. Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....


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