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Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7128	Posted - 2015.02.12 12:56:00 - [1] - Quote Would it be possible to set swarms faster but with a maximum turn rate of 30 degrees per second? Is it also possible to make them update their trajectory relative to target location more often? I of course have no nefarious intentions regarding these things at all. Honest. AV
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2901	Posted - 2015.02.12 13:10:00 - [2] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Would it be possible to set swarms faster but with a maximum turn rate of 30 degrees per second? Is it also possible to make them update their trajectory relative to target location more often? I of course have no nefarious intentions regarding these things at all. Honest. You want them even faster? 60m/s isn't enough for you, now you want them even faster? Why? Escape velocity to hit the warbarge? And even smarter? Going around 3 corners? Can't we pilots have anything nice? Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 15575	Posted - 2015.02.12 13:58:00 - [3] - Quote Yes, it's possible. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Harpyja Legio DXIV 2323	Posted - 2015.02.12 15:02:00 - [4] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Would it be possible to set swarms faster but with a maximum turn rate of 30 degrees per second? Is it also possible to make them update their trajectory relative to target location more often? I of course have no nefarious intentions regarding these things at all. Honest. You want them even faster? 60m/s isn't enough for you, now you want them even faster? Why? Escape velocity to hit the warbarge? And even smarter? Going around 3 corners? Can't we pilots have anything nice? You're not getting it. Even at 60m/s, a 30 degree / second turn speed equates to a turning radius of 115 meters. Simply doing a 180 results in a usage of almost its max 400 meters. All you have to do is get your transversal velocity high enough and you're almost guaranteed that they'll never hit you once they miss you the first time around. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7133	Posted - 2015.02.12 15:09:00 - [5] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Would it be possible to set swarms faster but with a maximum turn rate of 30 degrees per second? Is it also possible to make them update their trajectory relative to target location more often? I of course have no nefarious intentions regarding these things at all. Honest. You want them even faster? 60m/s isn't enough for you, now you want them even faster? Why? Escape velocity to hit the warbarge? And even smarter? Going around 3 corners? Can't we pilots have anything nice? You're not getting it. Even at 60m/s, a 30 degree / second turn speed equates to a turning radius of 115 meters. Simply doing a 180 results in a usage of almost its max 400 meters. All you have to do is get your transversal velocity high enough and you're almost guaranteed that they'll never hit you once they miss you the first time around. Oh look, someone figured out that I want swarms to not be able to 180 in under 2 seconds. Once again, spkr fails to read before he rants. AV
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4929	Posted - 2015.02.12 16:05:00 - [6] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Would it be possible to set swarms faster but with a maximum turn rate of 30 degrees per second? Is it also possible to make them update their trajectory relative to target location more often? I of course have no nefarious intentions regarding these things at all. Honest. You want them even faster? 60m/s isn't enough for you, now you want them even faster? Why? Escape velocity to hit the warbarge? And even smarter? Going around 3 corners? Can't we pilots have anything nice? You're not getting it. Even at 60m/s, a 30 degree / second turn speed equates to a turning radius of 115 meters. Simply doing a 180 results in a usage of almost its max 400 meters. All you have to do is get your transversal velocity high enough and you're almost guaranteed that they'll never hit you once they miss you the first time around. Jr. High geometry is OP. You filthy spreadsheet wizard you! "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 179	Posted - 2015.02.12 21:17:00 - [7] - Quote ANY THING IS POSSIBLE. I CAN GET A FORGE HEAVY MACHINE GUN AND WIPE TANKS IN 2 SECS AND DESTROY WORLDS=ƒÿê=ƒÿê=ƒÿê. Jk. They are good as they are. If you realy want something, make them have a 45 degree angle. 48th Special Operations Force. "As a team or alone, I dominate the battlefield."
AC Vintage Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 4	Posted - 2015.02.12 21:43:00 - [8] - Quote Swarms could have variants based on swarm nature? Dual Missile: Highest damage (x2 swarm), longest travel range, high acceleration, lowest degree / sec, longest lock-on, smallest mag Swarm Missiles: Current iteration (x4 swarm) Assault Missiles: Lowest damage (x6 swarm), shortest travel range, slowest acceleration, highest degree / sec , shortest lock-on, largest mag Cable & Internetworking Technician in-training Studying for the CompTIA A+, N+, and CCNA Tips 'n Tricks appreciated!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7157	Posted - 2015.02.12 22:00:00 - [9] - Quote AC Vintage wrote: Swarms could have variants based on swarm nature? Dual Missile: Highest damage (x2 swarm), longest travel range, high acceleration, lowest degree / sec, longest lock-on, smallest mag Swarm Missiles: Current iteration (x4 swarm) Assault Missiles: Lowest damage (x6 swarm), shortest travel range, slowest acceleration, highest degree / sec , shortest lock-on, largest mag the x6 was causing some kind of issue with the game, so they normalized them to 4 AV
Harpyja Legio DXIV 2325	Posted - 2015.02.12 22:07:00 - [10] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: AC Vintage wrote: Swarms could have variants based on swarm nature? Dual Missile: Highest damage (x2 swarm), longest travel range, high acceleration, lowest degree / sec, longest lock-on, smallest mag Swarm Missiles: Current iteration (x4 swarm) Assault Missiles: Lowest damage (x6 swarm), shortest travel range, slowest acceleration, highest degree / sec , shortest lock-on, largest mag the x6 was causing some kind of issue with the game, so they normalized them to 4 Caused some rather bad framerate loss for the pilot being hit (at least through my experience in HAVs) "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7157	Posted - 2015.02.12 22:09:00 - [11] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: AC Vintage wrote: Swarms could have variants based on swarm nature? Dual Missile: Highest damage (x2 swarm), longest travel range, high acceleration, lowest degree / sec, longest lock-on, smallest mag Swarm Missiles: Current iteration (x4 swarm) Assault Missiles: Lowest damage (x6 swarm), shortest travel range, slowest acceleration, highest degree / sec , shortest lock-on, largest mag the x6 was causing some kind of issue with the game, so they normalized them to 4 Caused some rather bad framerate loss for the pilot being hit (at least through my experience in HAVs) While normally pilots suffering and screaming in rabid rage entertains me, I prefer it happen because I did something deliberately horrible to them, not because the game has a fault that gives me an automatic advantage. AV
DUST Fiend Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 15734	Posted - 2015.02.12 22:23:00 - [12] - Quote Ive actually expressed interest for swarms to move faster but have much less turn radius. In theory this could lead to actually being able to evade swarms, but it might make close range alpha too quick to actually dodge ****, this game needs a test server. My YouTube (currently inactive) Homeless Dropship Enthusiast "See You Space Cowboy"
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7157	Posted - 2015.02.12 22:24:00 - [13] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Ive actually expressed interest for swarms to move faster but have much less turn radius. In theory this could lead to actually being able to evade swarms, but it might make close range alpha too quick to actually dodge ****, this game needs a test server. close range alpha is answered by slower RoF. AV
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4946	Posted - 2015.02.12 22:25:00 - [14] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Ive actually expressed interest for swarms to move faster but have much less turn radius. In theory this could lead to actually being able to evade swarms, but it might make close range alpha too quick to actually dodge **, this game needs a test server. Could have both types, one for long and one for short range. "That little st Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
DUST Fiend Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 15737	Posted - 2015.02.12 22:42:00 - [15] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Ive actually expressed interest for swarms to move faster but have much less turn radius. In theory this could lead to actually being able to evade swarms, but it might make close range alpha too quick to actually dodge ****, this game needs a test server. close range alpha is answered by slower RoF. But then you have issue of actually being able to evade the swarms while retreating, cutting into how much DPS they can realistically do since they fire slower, giving you more time to break lock on. I despise swarms mostly because their very design is just..aweful, making for very boring engagements on either end of the spectrum, but I dont want them going back to the laughing stock they used to be. My primary gripe with swarms is how long they follow you with no means to actually evade them. Thats it. My YouTube (currently inactive) Homeless Dropship Enthusiast "See You Space Cowboy"
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7162	Posted - 2015.02.12 22:46:00 - [16] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Ive actually expressed interest for swarms to move faster but have much less turn radius. In theory this could lead to actually being able to evade swarms, but it might make close range alpha too quick to actually dodge ****, this game needs a test server. close range alpha is answered by slower RoF. But then you have issue of actually being able to evade the swarms while retreating, cutting into how much DPS they can realistically do since they fire slower, giving you more time to break lock on. I despise swarms mostly because their very design is just..aweful, making for very boring engagements on either end of the spectrum, but I dont want them going back to the laughing stock they used to be. My primary gripe with swarms is how long they follow you with no means to actually evade them. Thats it. Unless swarm mechanics are completely rebuilt any changes have to be accompanied by longer lock range. The way they are balanced now the tolerances are too tight. AV
AC Vintage Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 4	Posted - 2015.02.12 22:46:00 - [17] - Quote I re-call the old 4 / 5 / 6 SL progression and agree that it was a pretty weird and resource intensive concept. Would it be viable to alter the way Swarms are launched? As it stands now, one can lock-on, turn ~90 degrees in any direction and launch. This has allowed me to launch from around corners, over obstacles, and through walls / railings (in certain situations). Additional to the tighter turn and acceleration decrease / velocity increase, make the orientation from which SLs have been fired command the initial trajectory of the weapon. This demands an appropriate intercept trajectory to be used. SIDENOTE: To increase difficulty of use, the "Lockbox" is the maximum room of flight path adjustment a Swarm can make. Cable & Internetworking Technician in-training Studying for the CompTIA A+, N+, and CCNA Tips 'n Tricks appreciated!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7163	Posted - 2015.02.12 22:49:00 - [18] - Quote AC the swarm mechanics would have to be rebuilt entirely. I'm trying to work within what we have. AV
tritan abbattere DBAG CORE 38	Posted - 2015.02.13 02:49:00 - [19] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Ive actually expressed interest for swarms to move faster but have much less turn radius. In theory this could lead to actually being able to evade swarms, but it might make close range alpha too quick to actually dodge **, this game needs a test server. Holy ** yeah, A test server would be great. Maybe Download a copy of the game that is the test variant. Post on the forums you want a key to be a tester. I am the all mighty Tritan. Fear me for I am a MassHole
Harpyja Legio DXIV 2325	Posted - 2015.02.13 02:56:00 - [20] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Ive actually expressed interest for swarms to move faster but have much less turn radius. In theory this could lead to actually being able to evade swarms, but it might make close range alpha too quick to actually dodge ****, this game needs a test server. close range alpha is answered by slower RoF. But then you have issue of actually being able to evade the swarms while retreating, cutting into how much DPS they can realistically do since they fire slower, giving you more time to break lock on. I despise swarms mostly because their very design is just..aweful, making for very boring engagements on either end of the spectrum, but I dont want them going back to the laughing stock they used to be. My primary gripe with swarms is how long they follow you with no means to actually evade them. Thats it. I'd imagine that increasing their speed while decreasing their turn rate would make for more interesting interplay between dropships and swarms. The current meta of avoiding swarms is to simply burn away as fast as possible in a straight line to tet out of lock range (and keep going if your speed is high enough to just outrun them). It just seems oddand even counter-intuitive that the only way to escape them is by burning away in a straight line. I've flown lots of jets in BF3 and the way I avoided missiles if my countermeasures were down was to guess at where the missile is coming from and try to fly towards it but at an angle. This meant that my transversal velocity would exponentially increase to be greater than the missile's tracking capability as it got closer to me. Most of the time I'd hear the missile pass by harmlessly but if I misjudged the angle, the missile had no trouble tracking me. If it was like that in Dust, I'd imagine an ADS approaching the swarm user, instead of running away, while strafing them at the same time for transversal to make launched swarms miss, and close in on the swarm user while they are reloading and kill them. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32

THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 1478	Posted - 2015.02.13 10:34:00 - [21] - Quote Harpyja wrote: The current meta of avoiding swarms is to simply burn away as fast as possible in a straight line to tet out of lock range (and keep going if your speed is high enough to just outrun them) Wat.... Maybe 6 months ago. More like Incubus: Get to cover before the second volley hits or else you're guaranteed dead Python: Pop shield hardener after hit. Pop booster when you get < 500 shields. Run to cover before hardener dies. You can't put enough room between you and swarms before you die anymore, you have to use cover. I'm the Rayman of uplinks. AIV member. 21 day EVE trial.
Brush Master Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1442	Posted - 2015.02.13 14:43:00 - [22] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Ive actually expressed interest for swarms to move faster but have much less turn radius. In theory this could lead to actually being able to evade swarms, but it might make close range alpha too quick to actually dodge ****, this game needs a test server. close range alpha is answered by slower RoF. But then you have issue of actually being able to evade the swarms while retreating, cutting into how much DPS they can realistically do since they fire slower, giving you more time to break lock on. I despise swarms mostly because their very design is just..aweful, making for very boring engagements on either end of the spectrum, but I dont want them going back to the laughing stock they used to be. My primary gripe with swarms is how long they follow you with no means to actually evade them. Thats it. There use to be advanced flying that you could at least stand a chance to evade but that was taken away as it was too hard for the noobs to handle Running being the only option is pretty annoying, counter measures please. Dust Veteran. June 2012 - ? True Logi. Flying DS from the start. @dustreports
Booby Tuesdays Ahrendee Mercenaries 1333	Posted - 2015.02.13 15:34:00 - [23] - Quote I just want 80% of the missles to stop missing their target from point blank range. Half-Assed Forum Warrior / Half-Decent Commando / Damn Good Logi / Matari Loyalty 7
Harpyja Legio DXIV 2325	Posted - 2015.02.13 15:49:00 - [24] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Harpyja wrote: The current meta of avoiding swarms is to simply burn away as fast as possible in a straight line to tet out of lock range (and keep going if your speed is high enough to just outrun them) Wat.... Maybe 6 months ago. More like Incubus: Get to cover before the second volley hits or else you're guaranteed dead Python: Pop shield hardener after hit. Pop booster when you get < 500 shields. Run to cover before hardener dies. You can't put enough room between you and swarms before you die anymore, you have to use cover. For my Python at least I activate afterburner and start burning away, activate shield booster when necessary, and I'm eventually safely out of range. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7172	Posted - 2015.02.13 16:03:00 - [25] - Quote In my experience the python is easily the more survivable of the two. But I chalk that up to swarms and forges being armor busters. no one is fielding a plasma/laser solution. AV
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 769	Posted - 2015.02.13 19:44:00 - [26] - Quote How about if you lock onto where the dropship was when you started the lock, then after you fire, they head to that location. If the dropship is within a certain turn radius, they carry on chasing to that next updated location and so on, until either they either: - make contact, - fly into a wall because when the missile got to the lock on point the dropship was the other side of the wall, - or they just run out of juice and prematurely ejaculate. This would mean a hovering dropship is boned, but a moving dropship will require the swarmer to be firing in certain directions to actually get the thing.


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