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Logi Bro
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.02.09 16:08:00 -
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This is a legitimate question I wanted to hear other people's opinions on.
I am spec'd into lvl 5 Galsents, although I don't use it very often ever since I learned the mobility on the Minsent is awesome, but I recently tried out my Galsent again and was rather disappointed.
I've always liked to rep tank my Galsent fits, and the innate armor rep on it helped with that, but it seems to me ever since GalSents went to 2/3 at PRO, the Amarr are just straight-up better at rep tanking. With 4 lows, an Amsent can rep at 39/s, whereas a Galsent with 3 lows can rep at 32.13/s. Not to mention that the Amsent will also have a larger pool of armor. In exchange, the Galsent gets an extra high, which is pretty much guaranteed to be filled with a damage mod, since there isn't much else for armor tankers to use in highs.
It just seems that the innate rep of the Gallente is far outclassed by the extra low the Amarr have in comparison, which kinda defeats the Gallente at their own rep tanking game. The Galsent does have both the damage resistances to armor, but it's really the only thing that it does better than the Amsent that I actually care about.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
7033
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Posted - 2015.02.09 16:11:00 -
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I have yet to try a pure regen build on a sentinel.
But honestly amarr sentinels I plate up.
With gal you can potentially do more damage (but the mods suck) it just takes a bit more thought than the amarr rhino method.
AV
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Cody Sietz
Random Gunz RISE of LEGION
4381
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Posted - 2015.02.09 16:14:00 -
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They were comparable before the change, now it is not even a contest.
It's also now impossible to have a Gallente rep sentinel. The only effective way to run them is to plate up and have a Logi on your ass(sooooo boring) and even then you still can't do it as good a Amarr sentinel.
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Atiim
Titans of Phoenix
15527
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Posted - 2015.02.09 17:04:00 -
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Yep, 4 Low Slots coupled by a resistance to both Grenades and HMGs plus the higher base HP makes it the best.
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
6096
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Posted - 2015.02.09 17:30:00 -
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Amarr are ten times better than the Gallente because of the slot distributions. Resistances are cool, too (even though the Gallente has awesome resistances). The Gallente Sentinel does not have enough innate reps to outrep an Amarr Heavy, so anything a Gallente can do, the Amarr can do better in terms of slots. Highs are a joke for an armor heavy, since shields are poop and damage mods are, too. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
7046
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Posted - 2015.02.09 18:03:00 -
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the hilarious thing is that there didn't used to be any equality, the gallente had the 1/4 and the amarr had the 2/3.
so all that happened was they swapped places.
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Commander Noctus
Gallente Loyalist
207
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Posted - 2015.02.09 18:06:00 -
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As a pure rep tank styled heavy, the Gallente heavy much less dependent on logi support than the Amarr. That being said, it's ultimately less effective than the Amarr one if you use it with a team setting in mind, at least in my experience.
Gallente User since Jan. 28th, 2013. Touched on every Gallente role since.
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Nirwanda Vaughns
1408
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Posted - 2015.02.09 18:50:00 -
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Gallente and caldari always mirror each others slots except now the heavies got swapped. CCP want amarr as the high HP and gallente high reps so that was the reason for the change. It would make sense to put the slots back to how they were but drop amarr shield HP and move it to armour. This gives a higher base HP even with 3 lows then the gallente can use combos of plates n reps to excellent at reps
Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience
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Vesta Opalus
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance
399
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Posted - 2015.02.09 18:51:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:This is a legitimate question I wanted to hear other people's opinions on.
I am spec'd into lvl 5 Galsents, although I don't use it very often ever since I learned the mobility on the Minsent is awesome, but I recently tried out my Galsent again and was rather disappointed.
I've always liked to rep tank my Galsent fits, and the innate armor rep on it helped with that, but it seems to me ever since GalSents went to 2/3 at PRO, the Amarr are just straight-up better at rep tanking. With 4 lows, an Amsent can rep at 39/s, whereas a Galsent with 3 lows can rep at 32.13/s. Not to mention that the Amsent will also have a larger pool of armor. In exchange, the Galsent gets an extra high, which is pretty much guaranteed to be filled with a damage mod, since there isn't much else for armor tankers to use in highs.
It just seems that the innate rep of the Gallente is far outclassed by the extra low the Amarr have in comparison, which kinda defeats the Gallente at their own rep tanking game. The Galsent does have both the damage resistances to armor, but it's really the only thing that it does better than the Amsent that I actually care about.
I think the amarr wins hands down in rep tanking and armor stacking, and due to the stacking penalty on damage mods the extra high isnt anywhere close to making up for it (I heard they dont have stacking penalties anymore? Even so I dont think its enough compensation) |
ACT1ON BASTARD
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
459
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Posted - 2015.02.09 19:02:00 -
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I outstrafe every amarr heavy I see, fat bastards. I mean look how swole gallente is.. On a serious note, only scrubs play amarr heavy. Scrubs that need to stack hp up the butt to be effective.
Proud owner of 4 proto commandos and 3 proto sentinels. All except amarr sent, its a beginner heavy tbh.:p
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Alex-ZX
Valor Coalition Red Whines.
242
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Posted - 2015.02.09 19:09:00 -
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I don't know from whom was the great idea to change the gallente sentinel 2/3 from 1/4 I didn't like that move, after all Gallentians are supposed to be rep tanked, but 30 rep is garbage because freaking amarrians with 1300 stacked armor.. Well they sux they still dying.
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Luis' modified VC-107 CR
Alex's modified VC-107 SMG* Owner of this beasts
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Roy Ventus
Axis of Chaos
1867
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Posted - 2015.02.09 19:31:00 -
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Can we even compare sentinels when there's only one true Anti-Infantry Heavy weapon out there and it's racial base is the Amarr? I'm not QQing here but it seems like an early argument for suits that don't even have their proper weapons.
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Bahirae Serugiusu
Vendetta Reactionary Force
501
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Posted - 2015.02.09 19:37:00 -
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Everything outclasses Caldari Sentinel but no everyone has to talk about Gallente and Amarr
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robin williams' ghost
whisky tango foxtrot sir
839
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Posted - 2015.02.09 19:38:00 -
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My amarr sentinel eats gallentes and craps out caldaris.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
17038
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Posted - 2015.02.09 19:43:00 -
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Alex-ZX wrote:I don't know from whom was the great idea to change the gallente sentinel 2/3 from 1/4 I didn't like that move, after all Gallentians are supposed to be rep tanked, but 30 rep is garbage because freaking amarrians with 1300 stacked armor.. Well they sux they still dying.
CCP swaps back to 1/4 we see Gallente Plate Stacking........
Plus there seem to be a fair few examples of the Amarr simply having more low slots than the Gallente in exchange for High Slots (Medium in EVE) and some instances to the contrary.
In the end there's not really a manner by which CCP could suggest the Amarr generate their proper play style without modifying the bonuses that come with the suit. Contrary to Dust players rather misinformed opinion the Amarr have bonuses to damage resistances rather than stack plates.
"This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
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Skullmiser Vulcansu
298
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Posted - 2015.02.09 19:45:00 -
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If all you care about is rep-tanking, then I guess use the Gallente heavy frame. It also has a 1/4 layout and has superior innate repairs.
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DRT 99
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2015.02.09 20:40:00 -
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I run a rep heavy, dont underestimate shield rechargers or energizers over damage mods, especially if you have 2. |
Alex-ZX
Valor Coalition Red Whines.
243
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Posted - 2015.02.09 20:47:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Alex-ZX wrote:I don't know from whom was the great idea to change the gallente sentinel 2/3 from 1/4 I didn't like that move, after all Gallentians are supposed to be rep tanked, but 30 rep is garbage because freaking amarrians with 1300 stacked armor.. Well they sux they still dying. CCP swaps back to 1/4 we see Gallente Plate Stacking........ Plus there seem to be a fair few examples of the Amarr simply having more low slots than the Gallente in exchange for High Slots (Medium in EVE) and some instances to the contrary. In the end there's not really a manner by which CCP could suggest the Amarr generate their proper play style without modifying the bonuses that come with the suit. Contrary to Dust players rather misinformed opinion the Amarr have bonuses to damage resistances rather than stack plates.
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*Alex's modified ZX-030 HMG
Luis' modified VC-107 CR
Alex's modified VC-107 SMG* Owner of this beasts
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Nirwanda Vaughns
1409
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Posted - 2015.02.09 21:28:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Alex-ZX wrote:I don't know from whom was the great idea to change the gallente sentinel 2/3 from 1/4 I didn't like that move, after all Gallentians are supposed to be rep tanked, but 30 rep is garbage because freaking amarrians with 1300 stacked armor.. Well they sux they still dying. CCP swaps back to 1/4 we see Gallente Plate Stacking........
simple solution. drop the base armour HP by 50 points to compensate for the increased low slot, just as they could take say 150 shield HP off the amarr sentinel drop it into armour to compensate for going back to 2/3 it still maintians a higher armour count than the others and leaves the gallente to have the 1/4 (opposite of caldari) without it outdoing the amarr. its not exactly difficult and i'm not sure why CCP didn't jsut do it in the first place nstead of p**sing about with the racial profiling of the suits
Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience
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Warbot Titan X
State of Purgatory General Tso's Alliance
161
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Posted - 2015.02.09 21:32:00 -
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I <3 my Gal Sent :) Never tried out the Amarr Sent but just the fact that it's too slow is iffy to me.
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Vesta Opalus
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance
402
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Posted - 2015.02.09 21:36:00 -
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Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:Everything outclasses Caldari Sentinel but no everyone has to talk about Gallente and Amarr
Cal Sent still best at forge gunning, and try rep tanking it instead of whatever you are doing (shield energizers + regulator) |
Reign Omega
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance
1222
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Posted - 2015.02.09 21:41:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Alex-ZX wrote:I don't know from whom was the great idea to change the gallente sentinel 2/3 from 1/4 I didn't like that move, after all Gallentians are supposed to be rep tanked, but 30 rep is garbage because freaking amarrians with 1300 stacked armor.. Well they sux they still dying. CCP swaps back to 1/4 we see Gallente Plate Stacking........ Plus there seem to be a fair few examples of the Amarr simply having more low slots than the Gallente in exchange for High Slots (Medium in EVE) and some instances to the contrary. In the end there's not really a manner by which CCP could suggest the Amarr generate their proper play style without modifying the bonuses that come with the suit. Contrary to Dust players rather misinformed opinion the Amarr have bonuses to damage resistances rather than stack plates.
Even still, at max hp with gal at 1/4 there was only about 100 or so Hp difference between the two. I forget the exact numbers its been so long but it was a negligible difference coupled with the resists and the higher base hp of Amarr. Now the gap is like 200 or more coupled with resists and higher base HP leaves a much less balanced Model. That being said. I still lean like a cholo in my GK.0 (any of the 5)
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Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
1950
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:23:00 -
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Class is kind of our thing.
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Timtron Victory
Horizons' Edge
327
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Posted - 2015.02.09 23:53:00 -
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ACT1ON BASTARD wrote:I outstrafe every amarr heavy I see, fat bastards. I mean look how swole gallente is. . On a serious note, only scrubs play amarr heavy. Scrubs that need to stack hp up the butt to be effective.
I dont think I have seen a proto or even an advanced medium suit with less than roughly 1000eHP And dude bragging about strafing makes you bad in my book lol
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
17058
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Posted - 2015.02.09 23:59:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:True Adamance wrote:Alex-ZX wrote:I don't know from whom was the great idea to change the gallente sentinel 2/3 from 1/4 I didn't like that move, after all Gallentians are supposed to be rep tanked, but 30 rep is garbage because freaking amarrians with 1300 stacked armor.. Well they sux they still dying. CCP swaps back to 1/4 we see Gallente Plate Stacking........ Plus there seem to be a fair few examples of the Amarr simply having more low slots than the Gallente in exchange for High Slots (Medium in EVE) and some instances to the contrary. In the end there's not really a manner by which CCP could suggest the Amarr generate their proper play style without modifying the bonuses that come with the suit. Contrary to Dust players rather misinformed opinion the Amarr have bonuses to damage resistances rather than stack plates. Even still, at max hp with gal at 1/4 there was only about 100 or so Hp difference between the two. I forget the exact numbers its been so long but it was a negligible difference coupled with the resists and the higher base hp of Amarr. Now the gap is like 200 or more coupled with resists and higher base HP leaves a much less balanced Model. That being said. I still lean like a cholo in my GK.0 (any of the 5)
But that doesn't resolve the issue that in a 1/4 scenario a Gallente Sentinel would not simply "plate stack" pretending otherwise is rather silly.
Sadly I can't really play Amarr properly in Dust because there are no resistance modules so I rock a speedy, light armour, Slicer Assault.
"This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
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Vitharr Foebane
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
2243
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Posted - 2015.02.10 00:02:00 -
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ACT1ON BASTARD wrote:I outstrafe every amarr heavy I see, fat bastards. I mean look how swole gallente is. . On a serious note, only scrubs play amarr heavy. Scrubs that need to stack hp up the butt to be effective. I suppose racial loyalty means nothing to a heretic...
Amarr Omnisoldier: Assault, Commando, Logistics, Scout, Sentinel at V
My faith is in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
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ACT1ON BASTARD
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
459
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Posted - 2015.02.10 00:16:00 -
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Timtron Victory wrote:ACT1ON BASTARD wrote:I outstrafe every amarr heavy I see, fat bastards. I mean look how swole gallente is. . On a serious note, only scrubs play amarr heavy. Scrubs that need to stack hp up the butt to be effective. I dont think I have seen a proto or even an advanced medium suit with less than roughly 1000eHP And dude bragging about strafing makes you bad in my book lol Feels good to be bad.
Proud owner of 4 proto commandos and 3 proto sentinels. All except amarr sent, its a beginner heavy tbh.:p
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens Capital Punishment.
3232
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Posted - 2015.02.10 00:35:00 -
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They are about equal.
Amarr does have more HP with that extra low but Gallente has better bonuses. Amarr have a 3% resistance to Armor for Projectile Weaponry and a 2% resistance to Rail Weaponry to Shield. This split makes the Amarr a little bit less good as a damage sponge in a prolonged fight; IE, with a Logistics repairing you and a Rail Rifle is being used. Against another Heavy, which is going to be the biggest threat to you, you have 5% more mitigation.
Gallente has non-split bonuses. 3% Rail and 2% Projectile to Armor. With a dedicated Logi behind you, that 15% resistance to Hybrid Weaponry will keep you standing more than an extra Plate. Having 5% less mitigation to the HMG and having one less Plate does make the Gallente inferior to the Amarr in a Sentinel fight, assuming SP and Player skill is equivalent. Not having a split benefit is pretty huge when the Rail Rifle, likely the second biggest threat to a Sentinel given the extreme range, is gunning for you. Not to mention that Sentinels are easy to hit with Sniper Rifles.
So, about equal really.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
3156
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Posted - 2015.02.10 00:47:00 -
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" Are Gallente Sentinels outclassed by Amarr Sentinels? "
Yes, in every way, IMO, except speed tanking -- and it's not that large even then. |
Imp Smash
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
668
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Posted - 2015.02.10 02:28:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:This is a legitimate question I wanted to hear other people's opinions on.
I am spec'd into lvl 5 Galsents, although I don't use it very often ever since I learned the mobility on the Minsent is awesome, but I recently tried out my Galsent again and was rather disappointed.
I've always liked to rep tank my Galsent fits, and the innate armor rep on it helped with that, but it seems to me ever since GalSents went to 2/3 at PRO, the Amarr are just straight-up better at rep tanking. With 4 lows, an Amsent can rep at 39/s, whereas a Galsent with 3 lows can rep at 32.13/s. Not to mention that the Amsent will also have a larger pool of armor. In exchange, the Galsent gets an extra high, which is pretty much guaranteed to be filled with a damage mod, since there isn't much else for armor tankers to use in highs.
It just seems that the innate rep of the Gallente is far outclassed by the extra low the Amarr have in comparison, which kinda defeats the Gallente at their own rep tanking game. The Galsent does have both the damage resistances to armor, but it's really the only thing that it does better than the Amsent that I actually care about.
I've never been a Gal sent -- but I would think that with the damage mod plus more favorable resistances you are pretty much on even footing with Am Sent. |
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