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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
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Posted - 2015.02.08 14:21:00 -
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I was wondering. I don't know how many people use ferroscale plates, but I assume few do as they give around half a armor plate gives you. And recently, everyone likes to tank. SO I propose to give ferroscale plates a dampener bonus so that they could be more effective on scouts- who want to stay "invisible"- while redusing the amount of tanked assault scouts.
Any thoughts?
I say give 5% damp to std ferroscale, 10% to adv, 15% to proto, but feel free to give your ideas, opinions, and numbers.
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Cat Merc
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
15023
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Posted - 2015.02.08 14:55:00 -
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Quite the opposite, I don't use normal plates for anything anymore.
Not only do they reduce your speed by a good amount, but they reduce your strafe speed by DOUBLE that.
Using plates basically gives you the ability to absorb more shots but disproportionately increases how many shots you take.
Reactive Plates is where it's at.
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
5263
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Posted - 2015.02.08 15:08:00 -
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Lol, what Catboy said... I'm Amarr and even I don't use plates anymore.
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Aidualc
LATINOS KILLERS CORP
Dark Taboo
56
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Posted - 2015.02.08 16:07:00 -
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Yeaaah... Bringback those assault-scouts with 400 armor, 300 shield, and invisible to radar scan... |
Ardos 130297
Prima Gallicus
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Posted - 2015.02.08 16:31:00 -
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A bonus on the scan profile ?
Why not, but 15% on the prototype, I think it's a lot, with the reductor you take -25%.
I think, the std => 5%
the adv => 7.5%
the pro => 10%
Isn't cheat, but it's a good bonus i think.
Or the same as the cloak ?
std => 0%
adv => 5%
pro => 10%
What do you think about this ?
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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
177
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Posted - 2015.02.08 16:37:00 -
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Aidualc wrote:Yeaaah... Bringback those assault-scouts with 400 armor, 300 shield, and invisible to radar scan...
? Ferroscale scale plates have much lower hp. Giving them more dampening will make scouts use them while having much less hp. I mean, it would also give better chances for all dropsuits to have a chance to be invisible to radar at the cost of hp. I would definitely use these on my gal scout
48th Special Operations Force.
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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
177
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Posted - 2015.02.08 16:39:00 -
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Ardos 130297 wrote:A bonus on the scan profile ?
Why not, but 15% on the prototype, I think it's a lot, with the reductor you take -25%.
I think, the std => 5%
the adv => 7.5%
the pro => 10%
Isn't cheat, but it's a good bonus i think.
Or the same as the cloak ?
std => 0%
adv => 5%
pro => 10%
What do you think about this ?
How about 3%,8% 12%
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Bahirae Serugiusu
Vendetta Reactionary Force
496
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Posted - 2015.02.08 17:13:00 -
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And shields will get nothing
The State will always survive.
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Skullmiser Vulcansu
293
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Posted - 2015.02.08 17:18:00 -
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I don't use regular armor plates. Just reactive plates. I'm not making my Amarr Suits any slower than they are.
If this game was fun, I wouldn't be playing it.
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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
177
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Posted - 2015.02.08 17:19:00 -
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Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:And shields will get nothing
Shields need a straight up buff. Supposedly they are lower than armor because the regen faster, but the fact that they are the first line of defense makes no sence at all. Shields need to be proportional to armor. All caldari dropsuit shields should be the same amount as gallente armor. Extenders also need a buff.
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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
178
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Posted - 2015.02.09 00:51:00 -
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Don't scouts what to be invisible
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4855
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Posted - 2015.02.09 01:00:00 -
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I don't really see the issue with Ferros. They still offer more HP than their shield counterparts and have no downsides (Whereas shield extenders have the delay penalty).
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
17030
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Posted - 2015.02.09 01:10:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Quite the opposite, I don't use normal plates for anything anymore.
Not only do they reduce your speed by a good amount, but they reduce your strafe speed by DOUBLE that.
Using plates basically gives you the ability to absorb more shots but disproportionately increases how many shots you take.
Reactive Plates is where it's at.
I'm Amarrian I almost entirely used Ferro's for that speed. Dat sweet sweet speed!
I was able to run faster than most suits, for longer, scan them down, and lay waste to them at medium ranges.
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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
179
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Posted - 2015.02.09 01:32:00 -
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Ok. Sped is good but it's not about that all I'm asking is if people would like ferroscale plates to have a dampening bonus?
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4856
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Posted - 2015.02.09 01:34:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Ok. Sped is good but it's not about that all I'm asking is if people would like ferroscale plates to have a dampening bonus?
No. I think it is unnecessary given the benefit that Ferroscales have over equivalent shield extenders.
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Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
720
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Posted - 2015.02.09 01:45:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Ok. Sped is good but it's not about that all I'm asking is if people would like ferroscale plates to have a dampening bonus?
I would like regular plates to give me 2000 armour and no speed penalty. But you see the problem here?
What you're asking is the same thing, but on a less 'in your face' scale. |
Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
664
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Posted - 2015.02.09 02:19:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Ok. Sped is good but it's not about that all I'm asking is if people would like ferroscale plates to have a dampening bonus?
No we would not.
1. Everyone already uses Ferroscale. It's most likely the most commonly used armor plate for armor tanking
2. Dampening already outstrips precision. As anyone will tell ya, it's hard being able to afford a precision mod and having it be worth it -- much less RANGE. Dampening needs no buffing.
3: What is wrong with the ferroscale that it needs buffing? Is it your implied argument that it's not worth it because it is slightly more than half the HP value of regular plates? Did you NOT include the 5% speed that you aren't losing? Or how about the fact it has lower PG CPU? Ignored context = fail argument and personal bias.
4: Scouts can run ferroscale without a speed penalty -- the double penalty to speed on scouts only applies to regular plates. |
True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
17030
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Posted - 2015.02.09 02:20:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Ok. Sped is good but it's not about that all I'm asking is if people would like ferroscale plates to have a dampening bonus?
Nope. Simply doesn't need one or make sense.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
7409
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Posted - 2015.02.09 05:10:00 -
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Wearing plates.on anything that isn't Amarr is basically suicide. Even on Gallente suits one regular plate is the maximum amount of plates I will allow.
Ferroscale GëÑ Reactive Plates > Regular Plates.
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killertojo42
KnightKiller's inc.
139
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Posted - 2015.02.09 06:11:00 -
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Don't touch my ferroscale plates, they are my second most precious module and perfect just the way they are
Because both of us dying as I'm in my nomad BPO is to my benefit
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
7023
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Posted - 2015.02.09 10:39:00 -
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Only amarr use heavy plates.
Gal/min run ferro/reactive.
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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
179
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Posted - 2015.02.09 11:24:00 -
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Ok, I don't think any one read well. All I'm asking is that they receive a small dampening bonus so that you could be harder to detect.
48th Special Operations Force.
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Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
7025
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Posted - 2015.02.09 12:47:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Ok, I don't think any one read well. All I'm asking is that they receive a small dampening bonus so that you could be harder to detect.
I'm going to say I would object to this.
Ferroscales still give more HP than extenders and have no movement penalty. They also cost less PG/CPU than reactives if I recall.
Right now shields need a little love before we seriously consider adding more benefit to armor tanking.
I also think making it easier for gal/calscouts to HP up and still be invisible is bad for balance.
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
1521
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Posted - 2015.02.09 15:20:00 -
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People still use regular plates? I think on my heavy fit I have them but that is it.
Because, that's why.
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
668
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Posted - 2015.02.10 02:47:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Ok, I don't think any one read well. All I'm asking is that they receive a small dampening bonus so that you could be harder to detect.
We all read it. What you mean to say is, you are surprised that no one agrees with you. You currently think that maybe the reason we don't agree with your opinion is that we don't understand it. As opposed to it possibly being a bad idea. |
True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
17064
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Posted - 2015.02.10 03:05:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Ok, I don't think any one read well. All I'm asking is that they receive a small dampening bonus so that you could be harder to detect.
Did read it. Don't understand why we need this? Not like they are under powered in any way shape or form.
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