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DRT 99
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2015.02.06 03:33:00 -
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Read solutions at bottom for TL;DR
Im sorry CCP, but i have to be honest with you. The boxes are trash.
Let me put it this way - if i pay money to open a box, that box better not contain a middle finger on a spring that pops out like some perverted jack-in-the-box. Thats basically what it is when you give your paying customers a handfull of fancy starter fits or a skill book they already own, or some basic gear - lets face it if i wanted basic gear and didnt have the SP for it i'd be better off getting a booster and playing like, 2 matches, tops. Lets not kid ourselves, a key is far more valuable than even a specialization skillbook (800k isk)
Rattati, in another thread (regarding skillbooks) you chastised players for their (rightful) anger at receiving a skillbook, and claimed that these players must not care about new players very much - this is far from the truth for several reasons. First off - how many new players are going to open them? Lets be honest here. Additionally, what use do new players have a handful of basic fits? Chances are those 15 suits wont last 1 game. Additionally, with my previous point about new player life expectancy in mind - what use do these players have for officer weapons?
ADV gear i can understand as being useful for new players... if it was rewarded in numbers greater than 60 at a time (more for modules) and proto gear can be occasionally usefull for mid level players that frequently run with a squad but arent skilled into proto. Aside from that, the only other things useful for new players currently in the boxes are BPOs and boosters
most times i open a box i end up dissappointed. Spamming players with 6-10 boxes full of trash that just clutter their inventory isnt how you monetize a game, and it isnt conductive to getting players to buy more keys in the future or respect you as developers. Now im not saying that every time i open a box i should get a BPO - what i am saying is that the current rewards simply dont measure up.
As far as solutions go, the only real solution is to increase the quantity and quality of the contents. -No more basic gear (suits, guns, mods) -No more skillbooks. -No more starter fits. -Advanced gear should be 50-70 for suits and guns, 200ish for modules. -Proto should be 20-25 for suits and guns, 75ish for modules. -As far as BPOs and boosters go, the current rate is fine ( i say this having gotten no BPOs after opening 16 boxes) -More reliability in officer weapons. Ive heard of people getting up to 4 from one box (can someone confirm?) But ive only ever gotten 1 from 4 separate crates and 2 from one other crate.
In closing i just want to be honest - i planned on buying keys after this event, depending on how much i wanted the BPOs. After getting starter fits and basic suits from the vast majority of the free keys i got so far, i wasnt so certain. Then i got a skillbook. a ******* caldari medium frame skillbook (that i already had trained) and that settled it - the keys simply werent worth my money.
The ball is in your court, CCP, but all your players agree - skillbooks and basic suits arent worth the effort needed to buy the damn keys - atleast not when they are worth AUR. |
Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
280
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Posted - 2015.02.06 04:01:00 -
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DRT 99 wrote:Read solutions at bottom for TL;DR
Im sorry CCP, but i have to be honest with you. The boxes are trash.
Let me put it this way - if i pay money to open a box, that box better not contain a middle finger on a spring that pops out like some perverted jack-in-the-box. Thats basically what it is when you give your paying customers a handfull of fancy starter fits or a skill book they already own, or some basic gear - lets face it if i wanted basic gear and didnt have the SP for it i'd be better off getting a booster and playing like, 2 matches, tops. Lets not kid ourselves, a key is far more valuable than even a specialization skillbook (800k isk)
Rattati, in another thread (regarding skillbooks) you chastised players for their (rightful) anger at receiving a skillbook, and claimed that these players must not care about new players very much - this is far from the truth for several reasons. First off - how many new players are going to open them? Lets be honest here. Additionally, what use do new players have a handful of basic fits? Chances are those 15 suits wont last 1 game. Additionally, with my previous point about new player life expectancy in mind - what use do these players have for officer weapons?
ADV gear i can understand as being useful for new players... if it was rewarded in numbers greater than 60 at a time (more for modules) and proto gear can be occasionally usefull for mid level players that frequently run with a squad but arent skilled into proto. Aside from that, the only other things useful for new players currently in the boxes are BPOs and boosters
most times i open a box i end up dissappointed. Spamming players with 6-10 boxes full of trash that just clutter their inventory isnt how you monetize a game, and it isnt conductive to getting players to buy more keys in the future or respect you as developers. Now im not saying that every time i open a box i should get a BPO - what i am saying is that the current rewards simply dont measure up.
As far as solutions go, the only real solution is to increase the quantity and quality of the contents. -No more basic gear (suits, guns, mods) -No more skillbooks. -No more starter fits. -Advanced gear should be 50-70 for suits and guns, 200ish for modules. -Proto should be 20-25 for suits and guns, 75ish for modules. -As far as BPOs and boosters go, the current rate is fine ( i say this having gotten no BPOs after opening 16 boxes) -More reliability in officer weapons. Ive heard of people getting up to 4 from one box (can someone confirm?) But ive only ever gotten 1 from 4 separate crates and 2 from one other crate.
In closing i just want to be honest - i planned on buying keys after this event, depending on how much i wanted the BPOs. After getting starter fits and basic suits from the vast majority of the free keys i got so far, i wasnt so certain. Then i got a skillbook. a ******* caldari medium frame skillbook (that i already had trained) and that settled it - the keys simply werent worth my money.
The ball is in your court, CCP, but all your players agree - skillbooks and basic suits arent worth the effort needed to buy the damn keys - atleast not when they are worth AUR.
translation........... because they contain poo poo like weapon operation level1 and 50x mlt item but only 1x officer weapon after 30 boxes
Sir Dukey-
If one person is smart he should be able to keep vehicle at bay but not destroy it unless its a stupid driver
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
3131
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Posted - 2015.02.06 04:10:00 -
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My advice to the OP: Just use the free keys you get in salvage or for completing daily missions. Don't buy them. That way it is nothing but free to you. |
DRT 99
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2015.02.06 04:16:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:My advice to the OP: Just use the free keys you get in salvage or for completing daily missions. Don't buy them. That way it is nothing but free to you. Havent bought any so far - was considering it untill recently. If i want basic suits and starter fits, im not going to pay AUR for them.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
9483
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Posted - 2015.02.06 04:18:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:My advice to the OP: Just use the free keys you get in salvage or for completing daily missions. Don't buy them. That way it is nothing but free to you. The keys aren't worth anything anyway. Trust me on that.
Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente HAV name!
~Democracy will win!
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DRT 99
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2015.02.06 04:20:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:My advice to the OP: Just use the free keys you get in salvage or for completing daily missions. Don't buy them. That way it is nothing but free to you. The keys aren't worth anything anyway. Trust me on that. Oh i know that now. Alittle angry that CCP thinks this **** is acceptable though. |
Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance
453
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Posted - 2015.02.06 04:22:00 -
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Just silently give CCP all your money.
G.L.O.R.Y Soldier,
I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3
-Heavy/Logi/Assault/Scout-
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DRT 99
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2015.02.06 04:26:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:Just silently give CCP all your money. Id have no problem giving them my money - if it didnt feel so much like hiring a gigalo. |
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
1776
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Posted - 2015.02.06 04:26:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:My advice to the OP: Just use the free keys you get in salvage or for completing daily missions. Don't buy them. That way it is nothing but free to you. This just became possible because you use to have to activate instant boosters ( aurum ) for a key in a daily .
Now their mixing it up more to my surprise and liking .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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DRT 99
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2015.02.06 05:14:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:This just became possible because you use to have to activate instant boosters ( aurum ) for a key in a daily .
Now their mixing it up more to my surprise and liking .
I love it. Spend AUR to get a key. Use that key to get garbage. Thank you for spending AUR. |
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Kalante Schiffer
Ancient Exiles.
945
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Posted - 2015.02.06 06:00:00 -
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i feel like the strongboxes should be a different color based on tier levels while it also does not affect the RNG system
Gold for a box containing any officer gear or experimental guns. Red for proto gear. Blue for any BPO gear or weapons including quafe BPO's Pink for any Quafe gear excluding BPO's Black for advance gear and with random isk (preferably no more than 25k isk to prevent abuse of isk) green for basic gear also with 10k isk. And the normal one that we have right now which is a gamble but might contain something better than an officer weapon, bpo, quafe gear... But with Boosters, omega boosters,millions of isk, and a respect perhaps?
That way people know what to expect and if they see that they have a certain amount of red or gold boxes a player might become more enticed in getting keys because they know they have good pulls.
I rarely even buy keys... but if this was the case i would get like 300 keys because i would know that i have boxes worth opening.
The RNG mechanics that we have now i feel like they can be improved. That's just what i think.
Framerate>resolutionn++
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iKILLu osborne
Dead Man's Game RUST415
646
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Posted - 2015.02.06 06:41:00 -
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1500+ unopened boxes 40-50 opened boxes 0 bpos (opened 19 boxes since they was added) about 16 officer (x4 per box) 30-40 proto (varied type and amount, guesstimating 10 boxes) basic as far as the eye can see. 1-2 free keys per week (excluding event)
so yeah do the math, of about 50 boxes opened only 14 had anything good and the majority of what was good i'm not skilled into.
so definitely not worth my time. edit: 4 or 5 skillbooks i already had -_-
(n`-´)+Æ;;; shotgun blast yo ASs
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RA Drahcir
0uter.Heaven
426
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Posted - 2015.02.06 06:49:00 -
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I have been getting around 20% officer weapons rate, usually one at a time. Still not worth the AUR. No adv gear or less should be in them. |
Vicious Minotaur
1966
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Posted - 2015.02.06 06:56:00 -
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I will not spend money on a random number generator.
I will only ever spend money when I know what the end result will be.
But don't mind me. After all, I am a Minotaur, not people. [Singular/Plural juxtaposition, yo!]
I am a minotaur.
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