DUST Search - Where is the money going?

Cat Merc wrote:

Soldner VonKuechle wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

Soldner VonKuechle wrote:

The Noob Destroyer wrote:

In b4 CCP silences Arkena for speaking out just like they silenced GJR with a ban and how they threatened CatMerc with a ban for speaking out.

No forum warrior is safe from CCP during these times.

Sure they are, don't be a spergling, keep it civil, and maybe accomplish something.

I know is hard when your mad, but take a day and go hmmmm, is this smart?

Cause like biomassing and then begging for reinstatement, it's not.

My thread was the definition of civil until Rattati came in and threatened me with a ban.
No joke, you can see the stark difference before and after Rattati made that ridiculous comment.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=190123&find=unread

There is no defending this, it is ludicrous.
And then they lock the thread because Rattati's comment understandably turned it into a **** fest.

You don't threaten players with a forum ban after they write CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM and expect people to not get pissed.

Read your title.
Read your sub headings.
Read your rhetorical questions.
Re-read the tone of the entire piece.

Now remember you have a fight with Ratatti about EVERYTHING.

not even remotely surprised he threatened you, im more surprised he didn't just outright ban you.

Cat, youre a passionate player, i commend you for that.
But youre not the only one.

If you still think you're a martyr about this, ill gladly help you write your next scathing essay, i do that siht for a living.

I had an aneurysm from the stupidity displayed in this post.
*Waits for ban*

^What non constructive criticism looks like

See the difference?

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Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 428	Posted - 2015.02.07 18:25:00 - [31] - Quote Where's the money going? Why, to fund Hilmar's mansion of course! http://gregwang.com/files/2011/04/100-million-mansion-photo2.jpg Death is a serious business. So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company. I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
GLOBAL RAGE Consolidated Dust 81	Posted - 2015.02.07 18:36:00 - [32] - Quote CCP is creating a new game based on UE4, AWS, for the PS4. FF2015 will showcase Valkyrie with the Morpheus on the PS4. Watch the Prophesy trailer and think about what they are telling you. Mordu's Legion will be the first VR-FPS. CCP fix your latency, and your monetization efforts are creative and well thought out- CCP Rogue good job!
deezy dabest 2137	Posted - 2015.02.07 19:11:00 - [33] - Quote or they are just milking all they can out of us fools that are sticking to the ps3 for them. New Player Experience is and always has been garbage. No new players means that no matter what revenues will fall as people move on or stop having the urge to spend. As far as I can tell there is no advertising at all for Dust. Advertising a game that runs off 80% of new players any way would not be a strong business decision.
Jathniel Ahrendee Mercenaries 1471	Posted - 2015.02.07 19:14:00 - [34] - Quote The game is on life support, what do you expect? If it can't keep itself afloat monetarily it will close. Rattati and the remaining Dust team, have worked hard. If they were in charge of Dust from the beginning, maybe things would have been different. But we're talking about a Dust population that barely hits 10% of the regular EVE population (vs. Tranquility ALONE). What does Dust hit? 1500 players? 2000? Maybe 3000? on Average?? Say ALL of them bought respecs... What is it? $20 or $25 USD? 150025 = $37,500 200025 = $50,000 300025 = $75,000 Congratulations, at peak capacity (assuming everyone spends money and bought a respec), Dust can barely afford a single senior developer. But we know that many people don't spend ANY money in this game whatsoever. So that's a generous figure. Let's instead be a bit more realistic... Let's say 80% of Dust's PEAK hour population (would be roughly around 2400 or so) each bought a respec... 240025 = $60,000 Maybe they respec'd a few times... (240025)8 = $480,000. Congratulations, you have enough money to pay for 2 or 3 developers, and maybe fund your actual infrastructure for another year. Wait a minute, FOTMs make the dust settle on respecs. Long-term boosters increase the intervals at which people make aurum purchases. BPOs never run out, so never need to be bought again. Uh oh, we need to secure a new means of making money. Presenting, Warlords. All of this is conjecture of course. And, I know it's disappointing, but you seriously cannot blame them for this. The community is probably just as much at fault for Dust being backed into a corner as CCP is. If you want the game to succeed, it is going to be paid for, one way or another. Retired
Jathniel Ahrendee Mercenaries 1471	Posted - 2015.02.07 19:19:00 - [35] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Kelrie Nae'bre wrote: It's a good question, but does anyone expect an answer? When the financial statements come out this month or next we'll have an answer. Or did we forget that CCP releases that info again? I'd love to see it. Retired
The Noob Destroyer 1258	Posted - 2015.02.07 19:20:00 - [36] - Quote In b4 CCP silences Arkena for speaking out just like they silenced GJR with a ban and how they threatened CatMerc with a ban for speaking out. No forum warrior is safe from CCP during these times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_LxyhCJpsM
Bone Doc Commando Perkone Caldari State 17	Posted - 2015.02.07 19:57:00 - [37] - Quote Dust 51PS4 CCP would be fools to not invest development into the ps4 as they already built a community on here from dust514.
7th Son 7 BLITZKRIEG7 473	Posted - 2015.02.07 20:02:00 - [38] - Quote The Noob Destroyer wrote: In b4 CCP silences Arkena for speaking out just like they silenced GJR with a ban and how they threatened CatMerc with a ban for speaking out. No forum warrior is safe from CCP during these times. **** **'s Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible........--- Stonewall Jackson
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 1519	Posted - 2015.02.07 20:27:00 - [39] - Quote The Noob Destroyer wrote: In b4 CCP silences Arkena for speaking out just like they silenced GJR with a ban and how they threatened CatMerc with a ban for speaking out. No forum warrior is safe from CCP during these times. Sure they are, don't be a spergling, keep it civil, and maybe accomplish something. I know is hard when your mad, but take a day and go hmmmm, is this smart? Cause like biomassing and then begging for reinstatement, it's not. I really DO hate you all.
Piercing Serenity PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 845	Posted - 2015.02.07 20:33:00 - [40] - Quote I agree with your points. However, something should be said in defense of CCP as well. Some of the big, non-AUR elements that were planned for Warlords 1.0 were pushed back into Warlords 1.1. While I think that there would be much less complaint if we had the monitization aspects in addition to new PC mechanics and simple trading / crafting, I think it is much better that CCP pushed those back so that they could be worked on more extensively. TL;DR - Warlords 1.1 seems to be a very Non-AUR oriented patch, just due to the bulk of features. So, I think we will see two extremes of the spectrum instead of a general 50/50 split we'd like Closed Beta Vet (E3 Build), Former PFBHz Best Corps Battled (Personally): Imperfects, TeamPlayers, Hellstorm

Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14990	Posted - 2015.02.07 20:45:00 - [41] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: The Noob Destroyer wrote: In b4 CCP silences Arkena for speaking out just like they silenced GJR with a ban and how they threatened CatMerc with a ban for speaking out. No forum warrior is safe from CCP during these times. Sure they are, don't be a spergling, keep it civil, and maybe accomplish something. I know is hard when your mad, but take a day and go hmmmm, is this smart? Cause like biomassing and then begging for reinstatement, it's not. My thread was the definition of civil until Rattati came in and threatened me with a ban. No joke, you can see the stark difference before and after Rattati made that ridiculous comment. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=190123&find=unread There is no defending this, it is ludicrous. And then they lock the thread because Rattati's comment understandably turned it into a ** fest. You don't threaten players with a forum ban after they write CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM and expect people to not get pissed. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!**
Mex-0 T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 352	Posted - 2015.02.07 20:48:00 - [42] - Quote I would really love to have dust on ps4. Then I get to throw my old ps3 away to buy a ps4. Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 3217	Posted - 2015.02.07 21:02:00 - [43] - Quote I am putting my guess into "getting DUST 514 to make any kind of money", "development cost", and "maintenance cost." Let's start with the two latter ones because they are the easiest to talk about without getting a tad to theoretical. Running DUST 514 costs money in regards to keeping the hamsters running, paying people to kick the hamsters when they stop running, and paying people whose job is to come to the forums with some bit of information. Development cost is obviously just paying the coders who are typing in those features. The first is obvious as well but you can go a little tinfoil but not overly. You can clearly look at it as "well, CCP wants to make money and more, aggressive options to monetize the game makes money." This is blunt and is pretty much true. But we can go deeper. CCP took a hell of a beating with making DUST 514. If they can say "hey look, the game made money!" it can be a success even if the way it made money was milking us like obese cattle. The reason for this might be to make Legion look like a less risky project than it is. CEOPyrex went with "investors and shareholders have the real say in a company" in regards to CCP. It could, maybe possibly potentially, be the case that "moving forward on a remake/port to the PC of a PS3 game that cost the company 18 million dollars" is simply out of the question. If DUST can be seen to have made a profit, Legion can be less of a risky thing. "As you can see by the chart, DUST 514 made revenue with each iteration of new monetization options. That was with a community of 20,000 active accounts. With Legion being on the PC and potentially the PS4 at a later time, we expect that number to rise to well over 100,000 based on the trends in 'market extrapolation methodics slope trends' and active EVE accounts that would migrate over to Legion. We could even make that migration more enticing by implementing benefits between EVE and Legion, thereby ensuring or surpassing that number." But that isn't the crappy thing. The crappy thing is that if Legion comes out, you can be damn sure it is going to have the same aggressive monetization beyond just boosters, respecs, and cosmetic skins. The money milking genie is out of the bottle; no amount of "but you promised that these measures were temporary" and "this is treating us like brainless cattle!" will make it go away. Even if Legion is just DUST 514 on the PC/PS4, that genie is officially too gorged to fit back into from whence it came. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 1521	Posted - 2015.02.07 21:13:00 - [44] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: The Noob Destroyer wrote: In b4 CCP silences Arkena for speaking out just like they silenced GJR with a ban and how they threatened CatMerc with a ban for speaking out. No forum warrior is safe from CCP during these times. Sure they are, don't be a spergling, keep it civil, and maybe accomplish something. I know is hard when your mad, but take a day and go hmmmm, is this smart? Cause like biomassing and then begging for reinstatement, it's not. My thread was the definition of civil until Rattati came in and threatened me with a ban. No joke, you can see the stark difference before and after Rattati made that ridiculous comment. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=190123&find=unread There is no defending this, it is ludicrous. And then they lock the thread because Rattati's comment understandably turned it into a ** fest. You don't threaten players with a forum ban after they write CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM** and expect people to not get pissed. Read your title. Read your sub headings. Read your rhetorical questions. Re-read the tone of the entire piece. Now remember you have a fight with Ratatti about EVERYTHING. not even remotely surprised he threatened you, im more surprised he didn't just outright ban you. Cat, youre a passionate player, i commend you for that. But youre not the only one. If you still think you're a martyr about this, ill gladly help you write your next scathing essay, i do that siht for a living. I really DO hate you all.
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14990	Posted - 2015.02.07 21:35:00 - [45] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: The Noob Destroyer wrote: In b4 CCP silences Arkena for speaking out just like they silenced GJR with a ban and how they threatened CatMerc with a ban for speaking out. No forum warrior is safe from CCP during these times. Sure they are, don't be a spergling, keep it civil, and maybe accomplish something. I know is hard when your mad, but take a day and go hmmmm, is this smart? Cause like biomassing and then begging for reinstatement, it's not. My thread was the definition of civil until Rattati came in and threatened me with a ban. No joke, you can see the stark difference before and after Rattati made that ridiculous comment. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=190123&find=unread There is no defending this, it is ludicrous. And then they lock the thread because Rattati's comment understandably turned it into a ** fest. You don't threaten players with a forum ban after they write CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM** and expect people to not get pissed. Read your title. Read your sub headings. Read your rhetorical questions. Re-read the tone of the entire piece. Now remember you have a fight with Ratatti about EVERYTHING. not even remotely surprised he threatened you, im more surprised he didn't just outright ban you. Cat, youre a passionate player, i commend you for that. But youre not the only one. If you still think you're a martyr about this, ill gladly help you write your next scathing essay, i do that siht for a living. I had an aneurysm from the stupidity displayed in this post. Waits for ban ^What non constructive criticism looks like Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 1521	Posted - 2015.02.07 21:53:00 - [46] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: The Noob Destroyer wrote: In b4 CCP silences Arkena for speaking out just like they silenced GJR with a ban and how they threatened CatMerc with a ban for speaking out. No forum warrior is safe from CCP during these times. Sure they are, don't be a spergling, keep it civil, and maybe accomplish something. I know is hard when your mad, but take a day and go hmmmm, is this smart? Cause like biomassing and then begging for reinstatement, it's not. My thread was the definition of civil until Rattati came in and threatened me with a ban. No joke, you can see the stark difference before and after Rattati made that ridiculous comment. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=190123&find=unread There is no defending this, it is ludicrous. And then they lock the thread because Rattati's comment understandably turned it into a ** fest. You don't threaten players with a forum ban after they write CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM** and expect people to not get pissed. Read your title. Read your sub headings. Read your rhetorical questions. Re-read the tone of the entire piece. Now remember you have a fight with Ratatti about EVERYTHING. not even remotely surprised he threatened you, im more surprised he didn't just outright ban you. Cat, youre a passionate player, i commend you for that. But youre not the only one. If you still think you're a martyr about this, ill gladly help you write your next scathing essay, i do that siht for a living. I had an aneurysm from the stupidity displayed in this post. Waits for ban ^What non constructive criticism looks like See the difference? Oh Cuuutttteeee, it's trying to be clever and vicious! Just like every time Ratatti threatens to ban you! Aweeee! *smiles at Scatmerc, leaves catnip for him in the dish. And walks away. I really DO hate you all.
The Noob Destroyer 1261	Posted - 2015.02.07 21:56:00 - [47] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: The Noob Destroyer wrote: In b4 CCP silences Arkena for speaking out just like they silenced GJR with a ban and how they threatened CatMerc with a ban for speaking out. No forum warrior is safe from CCP during these times. Sure they are, don't be a spergling, keep it civil, and maybe accomplish something. I know is hard when your mad, but take a day and go hmmmm, is this smart? Cause like biomassing and then begging for reinstatement, it's not. I am not even going to bother with a defense or response to that jab. Not because I think you are right but you are completely oblivious to what is actually going on. You are so quick to judge what is on the surface that you can't think on any kind of deeper level. Do you even realize why Arkena is disappointed? Can you even comprehend why Cat Merc was offended by a threat of a ban when he was completely civil? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_LxyhCJpsM
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 15000	Posted - 2015.02.07 21:57:00 - [48] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Just like every time Ratatti threatens to ban you! Aweeee! smiles at Scatmerc, leaves catnip for him in the dish. And walks away. Yeah, no. Your reply really was useless. If the title was a bannable offense, everyone on the forums including you, CCP Rattati, and the entire community team, would be banned. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 1521	Posted - 2015.02.07 22:17:00 - [49] - Quote The Noob Destroyer wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: The Noob Destroyer wrote: In b4 CCP silences Arkena for speaking out just like they silenced GJR with a ban and how they threatened CatMerc with a ban for speaking out. No forum warrior is safe from CCP during these times. Sure they are, don't be a spergling, keep it civil, and maybe accomplish something. I know is hard when your mad, but take a day and go hmmmm, is this smart? Cause like biomassing and then begging for reinstatement, it's not. I am not even going to bother with a defense or response to that jab. Not because I think you are right but you are completely oblivious to what is actually going on. You are so quick to judge what is on the surface that you can't think on any kind of deeper level. Do you even realize why Arkena is disappointed? Can you even comprehend why Cat Merc was offended by a threat of a ban when he was completely civil? See gjr, you play the Messiah all the time, but youre not the only person to figure out what's behind the curtains. Some of us quite honestly, don't care or dont think it's even nearly as upsetting or alarming as you incite us to believe. Shanghais bust, legions mothballed, valks gonna flop, ratatti is desperate to make dust profitable, but on an aged console with a beleaguered playerbase, he can only do so much. Hes turning the screws on us yes, becausr he knows we ll comply. Yelling fire in the burning theatre is already too late, and makes it easy to scream i told you so. Yes aurlords1.0 is a cash grab, especially since now they've moved faction bpos outta the boxes and into the markets, and made the exlab a wbc sink, filing the void with aurum sales. You want new stuff, you want bugs fixed, you won't broken mechanics changed, all of which were either slated for next patch or bumped back 1. The aurbarge mechanics aka timers would be fine if they weren't near as long to intice you to pay for their removal, but how else would they squeeze more? Surely not by having a none rtarded loot table. The right stuff is all here, just horribly, horribly! out of order. but hey, tacos and catnip and egos or something. I really DO hate you all.
Golden Day Heaven's Lost Property 956	Posted - 2015.02.07 22:21:00 - [50] - Quote Damn it man why do people say valkyrie is gonna flop if it isn't even out.... im not crazy......( -í° -£-û -í°)

Pushing Charlie Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries 639	Posted - 2015.02.08 00:35:00 - [51] - Quote The Noob Destroyer wrote: In b4 CCP silences Arkena for speaking out just like they silenced GJR with a ban and how they threatened CatMerc with a ban for speaking out. No forum warrior is safe from CCP during these times. Rouge = A time traveling Stalin?! May we never forget his sacrifice
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 4009	Posted - 2015.02.08 01:36:00 - [52] - Quote Golden Day wrote: Damn it man why do people say valkyrie is gonna flop if it isn't even out.... Depends on how well VR headsets do, really, since it's apparently exclusive to the Rift? They'll be starting from an install base of 0 since it hasn't launched yet. I guess we'll see. The Dren Swarm fiasco.


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