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Logi Bro
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
3417
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Posted - 2015.02.05 18:07:00 -
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I'm sure you've all read plenty of complaint threads up to this point, but get ready to hear another.
I was optimistic about this idea when I heard about it. More stuff to play with, some small passives to help you out, and even though the +5% damage sounded a little sketchy I was still liking the idea. I logged in the first day to look at it, found out everything started on a cooldown, and played a few games. When I looked back at it, the first thing had come off cooldown, the component producer or whatever it is called. I upgraded it, played a few more games, checked the cooldown on the warbarge itself, then logged off.
Next time I log on is today. I go to claim my components, then check the warbarge.
1,119 components to upgrade. I blink my eyes a few times and do a double take. Yep, it sure does cost 1,119 components to get your second upgrade in this entire warbarge mechanic.
You know, when I saw people here comparing this new system to phone games, I thought it was a pretty spot on comparison, but I didn't think much more of it. This is worse, this is, I might go as far to say, disgusting. At 200 components a day, it would take at least 6 godamn days to get your second upgrade. Your second upgrade. For those of you who haven't played Clash of Clans or something similar, they don't start springing ridiculously long wait times like 6 days until about your 100th upgrade.
And that's not even the worst of it. It would take 6 days AT LEAST. If you're like me, and you only log in once or twice a week, due to the cap on the amount of components that can be held (400, at this level) the SECOND upgrade in this entire system could potentially take WEEKS. From what the game has told me, upgrading the warbarge doesn't give you any kind of passive, either. It just unlocks the ability for me to be able to upgrade my component producer another time, and gives me a single new thing.
So let me sum that up: It will take me weeks to buy an upgrade, that does nothing more than give me the authority to buy other upgrades that might actually help me. How much will those upgrades cost? Months?
But wait, You can buy components with AURUM, we are all saved! You can reduce those wait times to nothing if you just throw money at it. And you know what? I would be ok with that, if the F2P version wasn't so grossly weak in comparison. Two months from now, when I've finally gotten enough components to purchase +1% damage to my weapons, I will have spent the previous two months getting outperformed by people who purchased +5% damage on the first day. I'll go ahead and repeat myself here: that is disgusting. This was the only actually exciting thing brought with Warlords 1.0, I sure hope we actually get something worthwhile in 1.1.
SP Sinks? Fixed.
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Meisterjager Jagermeister
790
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Posted - 2015.02.05 20:39:00 -
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AURLORD 1.0
AKA - StarVenger- Horizons' Edge
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance
1497
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Posted - 2015.02.05 20:44:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:I'm sure you've all read plenty of complaint threads up to this point, but get ready to hear another.
I was optimistic about this idea when I heard about it. More stuff to play with, some small passives to help you out, and even though the +5% damage sounded a little sketchy I was still liking the idea. I logged in the first day to look at it, found out everything started on a cooldown, and played a few games. When I looked back at it, the first thing had come off cooldown, the component producer or whatever it is called. I upgraded it, played a few more games, checked the cooldown on the warbarge itself, then logged off.
Next time I log on is today. I go to claim my components, then check the warbarge.
1,119 components to upgrade. I blink my eyes a few times and do a double take. Yep, it sure does cost 1,119 components to get your second upgrade in this entire warbarge mechanic.
You know, when I saw people here comparing this new system to phone games, I thought it was a pretty spot on comparison, but I didn't think much more of it. This is worse, this is, I might go as far to say, disgusting. At 200 components a day, it would take at least 6 godamn days to get your second upgrade. Your second upgrade. For those of you who haven't played Clash of Clans or something similar, they don't start springing ridiculously long wait times like 6 days until about your 100th upgrade.
And that's not even the worst of it. It would take 6 days AT LEAST. If you're like me, and you only log in once or twice a week, due to the cap on the amount of components that can be held (400, at this level) the SECOND upgrade in this entire system could potentially take WEEKS. From what the game has told me, upgrading the warbarge doesn't give you any kind of passive, either. It just unlocks the ability for me to be able to upgrade my component producer another time, and gives me a single new thing.
So let me sum that up: It will take me weeks to buy an upgrade, that does nothing more than give me the authority to buy other upgrades that might actually help me. How much will those upgrades cost? Months?
But wait, You can buy components with AURUM, we are all saved! You can reduce those wait times to nothing if you just throw money at it. And you know what? I would be ok with that, if the F2P version wasn't so grossly weak in comparison. Two months from now, when I've finally gotten enough components to purchase +1% damage to my weapons, I will have spent the previous two months getting outperformed by people who purchased +5% damage on the first day. I'll go ahead and repeat myself here: that is disgusting. This was the only actually exciting thing brought with Warlords 1.0, I sure hope we actually get something worthwhile in 1.1.
Timers =10 year plan.
DUUUUUHHHHHH.
Foresight: you have it or you don't.
If you think you do on this forum, you sure as Fwck don't.
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Flint Beastgood III
Dead Man's Game RUST415
1433
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Posted - 2015.02.05 20:47:00 -
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Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote:AURLORD 1.0
LOL, yep. Until some decent amount of warbarge components start showing up in salvage.
Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164
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Cogadh Draco
WarRavens Capital Punishment.
84
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Posted - 2015.02.05 20:56:00 -
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Yeah I felt the same Logi Bro, it looked so cool at first, but then waiting nearly a week for one more bubble upgrade? Ouch, then again I've been performing mind numbing grinding on Destiny, I'd rather do it knowing I'll get something out of it on DUST rather than a random chance like Destiny.
Anyway to the point, agreed this sucks that it takes ages without AUR to just get a tiny bonus while you could buy your way to the top in one day to get the full benefit... |
Michael Epic
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
434
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Posted - 2015.02.05 21:03:00 -
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All of you are looking at this all wrong.
Someone in this thread, maybe the OP made a comparison to Clash of Clans. Do you expect to have your village totally maxed out in a week? Then you better ante up big money for the gems and the whims to get it done.
Why do all of you expect that you should be able to upgrade your warbarge immediately? Why should you be able to max it out asap? What's wrong with waiting 6 days? Its not like YOU have to personally grind anything...its a time sink, just like training skills in EVE Online.
You're all so spoiled and think just because its shiny you should be able to get all of it right up front. You a spoiled little brat and want it all up front? Head to Wal-Mart and get you some PSN cards, 'Jack.
Me? I'll be waiting the 6 days for my warbarge to upgrade and then I'll log in and upgrade it. You ninny ass little sissies are ridiculous...milennial adults whiny ass little babies
Boo freaking hoo *ears perk up* do you hear the siren of the whambulance? I do.
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Jack Boost
Zarena Family
633
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Posted - 2015.02.05 21:21:00 -
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Don't worry so much.
After 'simple trading' you will buy toons of components via isk. People just start to 'farm' it.
Future is bright
Not much time left...
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Skullmiser Vulcansu
282
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Posted - 2015.02.05 21:22:00 -
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I think it's reasonable for the war barge to take about a year to become fully upgraded, but it is stupid that you have to wait a week for it to be able to do anything useful at all.
If this game was fun, I wouldn't be playing it.
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Edau Skir2
Nefantar Raiders
376
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Posted - 2015.02.05 21:32:00 -
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Michael Epic wrote:All of you are looking at this all wrong.
Someone in this thread, maybe the OP made a comparison to Clash of Clans. Do you expect to have your village totally maxed out in a week? Then you better ante up big money for the gems and the whims to get it done.
Why do all of you expect that you should be able to upgrade your warbarge immediately? Why should you be able to max it out asap? What's wrong with waiting 6 days? Its not like YOU have to personally grind anything...its a time sink, just like training skills in EVE Online.
You're all so spoiled and think just because its shiny you should be able to get all of it right up front. You a spoiled little brat and want it all up front? Head to Wal-Mart and get you some PSN cards, 'Jack.
Me? I'll be waiting the 6 days for my warbarge to upgrade and then I'll log in and upgrade it. You ninny ass little sissies are ridiculous...milennial adults whiny ass little babies
Boo freaking hoo *ears perk up* do you hear the siren of the whambulance? I do.
6 days for the first upgrade? Fair enough. No complaints from me. The second upgrade is 2400 and something. So double the price. That's 12 weeks or 3 months. Now if level 4 follows this pattern, then it's either going to be around the 3600 mark (18 weeks, 4.5 months) or, if it doubles like the last upgrade cost, 4800 mark ( 24 weeks, 2 weeks shy off of HALF A YEAR) Someone clarify the Level 4 upgrade cost for me?
Now, level 4 taking upto half a year potentially IS disgraceful.
But the reason I quoted your post was to explain why we're being indignant, but also to point out that there was no need for your ignorant, needlessly rude, and completely unhelpful reply. If you don't want to read it, either don't bother, or leave. You know where the door is.
Resident pasty smasher
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Makuta Miserix
DOD - Fringe Division
350
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Posted - 2015.02.05 21:34:00 -
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Can't wait for the rest of the sub-systems! 2.5+ years to fully upgrade.
Assuming they work the same...
CEO of DOD - Fringe Division.
Please don't break the universe. Thank you for your cooperation.
Private Beta Veteran.
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Michael Epic
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
437
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Posted - 2015.02.05 21:56:00 -
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Edau Skir2 wrote: 6 days for the first upgrade? Fair enough. No complaints from me. The second upgrade is 2400 and something. So double the price. That's 12 weeks or 3 months. Now if level 4 follows this pattern, then it's either going to be around the 3600 mark (18 weeks, 4.5 months) or, if it doubles like the last upgrade cost, 4800 mark ( 24 weeks, 2 weeks shy off of HALF A YEAR) Someone clarify the Level 4 upgrade cost for me?
Now, level 4 taking upto half a year potentially IS disgraceful.
But the reason I quoted your post was to explain why we're being indignant, but also to point out that there was no need for your ignorant, needlessly rude, and completely unhelpful reply. If you don't want to read it, either don't bother, or leave. You know where the door is.
I could say the same thing to you about my response *thumbs up* make sure you have a sound foundation before you start preaching at me otherwise it'll crumble around you.
Oh look, too late. The way to express to me if I don't want to read it don't bother or leave I know where the door is, is to not reply to me at all and just let that comment go unnoticed.
Plus not everyone feels that way because garnered a couple likes with it even though I was seriously serious and seriously being an ass but sometimes I just get annoyed with all of you that constantly p!ss and moan and b!tch about every little thing....
Where you going? You afraid your life will crumble if your warbarge isn't upgraded in a year? Oh well dude...not the end of the world |
Edau Skir2
Nefantar Raiders
376
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Posted - 2015.02.05 22:04:00 -
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Michael Epic wrote:Edau Skir2 wrote: 6 days for the first upgrade? Fair enough. No complaints from me. The second upgrade is 2400 and something. So double the price. That's 12 weeks or 3 months. Now if level 4 follows this pattern, then it's either going to be around the 3600 mark (18 weeks, 4.5 months) or, if it doubles like the last upgrade cost, 4800 mark ( 24 weeks, 2 weeks shy off of HALF A YEAR) Someone clarify the Level 4 upgrade cost for me?
Now, level 4 taking upto half a year potentially IS disgraceful.
But the reason I quoted your post was to explain why we're being indignant, but also to point out that there was no need for your ignorant, needlessly rude, and completely unhelpful reply. If you don't want to read it, either don't bother, or leave. You know where the door is.
I could say the same thing to you about my response *thumbs up* make sure you have a sound foundation before you start preaching at me otherwise it'll crumble around you. Oh look, too late. The way to express to me if I don't want to read it don't bother or leave I know where the door is, is to not reply to me at all and just let that comment go unnoticed. Plus not everyone feels that way because garnered a couple likes with it even though I was seriously serious and seriously being an ass but sometimes I just get annoyed with all of you that constantly p!ss and moan and b!tch about every little thing.... Where you going? You afraid your life will crumble if your warbarge isn't upgraded in a year? Oh well dude...not the end of the world I actually worry about just how much of a grasp on the English language some of you forum warriors have.
My response was in coherence to yours. You just responded in an entirely unhelpful, and I'll mannered way. Personally, I couldn't give a crap about the warbarge. 62,000 bonus isk a day? That's not even a fitting. Big deal. But a f2p game that you have to wait months to do anything with in some departments? Anyone with basic common sense will say it's wrong.
Love the attempt at a retort though, keep them coming. Comedy gold.
Resident pasty smasher
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Sicerly Yaw
Quantum times
28
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Posted - 2015.02.05 22:09:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:I'm sure you've all read plenty of complaint threads up to this point, but get ready to hear another.
I was optimistic about this idea when I heard about it. More stuff to play with, some small passives to help you out, and even though the +5% damage sounded a little sketchy I was still liking the idea. I logged in the first day to look at it, found out everything started on a cooldown, and played a few games. When I looked back at it, the first thing had come off cooldown, the component producer or whatever it is called. I upgraded it, played a few more games, checked the cooldown on the warbarge itself, then logged off.
Next time I log on is today. I go to claim my components, then check the warbarge.
1,119 components to upgrade. I blink my eyes a few times and do a double take. Yep, it sure does cost 1,119 components to get your second upgrade in this entire warbarge mechanic.
You know, when I saw people here comparing this new system to phone games, I thought it was a pretty spot on comparison, but I didn't think much more of it. This is worse, this is, I might go as far to say, disgusting. At 200 components a day, it would take at least 6 godamn days to get your second upgrade. Your second upgrade. For those of you who haven't played Clash of Clans or something similar, they don't start springing ridiculously long wait times like 6 days until about your 100th upgrade.
And that's not even the worst of it. It would take 6 days AT LEAST. If you're like me, and you only log in once or twice a week, due to the cap on the amount of components that can be held (400, at this level) the SECOND upgrade in this entire system could potentially take WEEKS. From what the game has told me, upgrading the warbarge doesn't give you any kind of passive, either. It just unlocks the ability for me to be able to upgrade my component producer another time, and gives me a single new thing.
So let me sum that up: It will take me weeks to buy an upgrade, that does nothing more than give me the authority to buy other upgrades that might actually help me. How much will those upgrades cost? Months?
But wait, You can buy components with AURUM, we are all saved! You can reduce those wait times to nothing if you just throw money at it. And you know what? I would be ok with that, if the F2P version wasn't so grossly weak in comparison. Two months from now, when I've finally gotten enough components to purchase +1% damage to my weapons, I will have spent the previous two months getting outperformed by people who purchased +5% damage on the first day. I'll go ahead and repeat myself here: that is disgusting. This was the only actually exciting thing brought with Warlords 1.0, I sure hope we actually get something worthwhile in 1.1.
I actually think this is a good thing it keeps people playing so they can reach a goal plus any money spent to unlock more stuff can be used to make the game better and it gives new people something to invest time in |
Grimmiers
782
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Posted - 2015.02.05 22:16:00 -
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It's a nonexistent feature to me at this point much like loyalty ranks. I'm done spending money just so I can stay ahead in profits in an mmo that doesn't even support player trading.
I was happy to see 30 warbarge components at the end of match screen, but it's seems as rare as getting a key. I don't get why everything in dust has to be based around rng. Rng isn't what made eve popular. Having a player market and resources to make things like warbarge components would be much more enjoyable and would be a nice way to link eve and dust. |
Logi Bro
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
3432
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Posted - 2015.02.05 22:39:00 -
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Michael Epic wrote:All of you are looking at this all wrong.
Someone in this thread, maybe the OP made a comparison to Clash of Clans. Do you expect to have your village totally maxed out in a week? Then you better ante up big money for the gems and the whims to get it done.
Why do all of you expect that you should be able to upgrade your warbarge immediately? Why should you be able to max it out asap? What's wrong with waiting 6 days? Its not like YOU have to personally grind anything...its a time sink, just like training skills in EVE Online.
You're all so spoiled and think just because its shiny you should be able to get all of it right up front. You a spoiled little brat and want it all up front? Head to Wal-Mart and get you some PSN cards, 'Jack.
Me? I'll be waiting the 6 days for my warbarge to upgrade and then I'll log in and upgrade it. You ninny ass little sissies are ridiculous...milennial adults whiny ass little babies
Boo freaking hoo *ears perk up* do you hear the siren of the whambulance? I do.
You can re-read my post to actually understand it, but I doubt you will seeing as you are acting like a child.
Nowhere did I say I wanted to max my village instantly, but the massive disparity between payed and nonpayed users is tremendous. Like I said, possibly weeks just to get my warbarge to 2, and undoubtedly there are already people who threw AUR at their warbarge and already have +5% damage and all the other bells and whistles.
In Clash of Clans you have to spend much more real money to get much less effect than we get in this game.
SP Sinks? Fixed.
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byte modal
109
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Posted - 2015.02.05 23:11:00 -
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Michael Epic wrote:Edau Skir2 wrote: 6 days for the first upgrade? Fair enough. No complaints from me. The second upgrade is 2400 and something. So double the price. That's 12 weeks or 3 months. Now if level 4 follows this pattern, then it's either going to be around the 3600 mark (18 weeks, 4.5 months) or, if it doubles like the last upgrade cost, 4800 mark ( 24 weeks, 2 weeks shy off of HALF A YEAR) Someone clarify the Level 4 upgrade cost for me?
Now, level 4 taking upto half a year potentially IS disgraceful.
But the reason I quoted your post was to explain why we're being indignant, but also to point out that there was no need for your ignorant, needlessly rude, and completely unhelpful reply. If you don't want to read it, either don't bother, or leave. You know where the door is.
I could say the same thing to you about my response *thumbs up* make sure you have a sound foundation before you start preaching at me otherwise it'll crumble around you. Oh look, too late. The way to express to me if I don't want to read it don't bother or leave I know where the door is, is to not reply to me at all and just let that comment go unnoticed. Plus not everyone feels that way because garnered a couple likes with it even though I was seriously serious and seriously being an ass but sometimes I just get annoyed with all of you that constantly p!ss and moan and b!tch about every little thing.... Where you going? You afraid your life will crumble if your warbarge isn't upgraded in a year? Oh well dude...not the end of the world
Eh, gotta lean towards M. Epic on this, though your last reply was kinda hard to follow ;) I'll sum it up using what that kat said to whom you were replying to begin with: "If you don't want to play it, either don't bother, or leave."
Damn. When I first got into this game, I was shocked that SP was based on time in and goals, as opposed to the established time sink progression of EvE. I feared that the concept of pseudo immediate gratification risked creating an impatient mindset. If the discussion of progression is open and based on what I as a player can do to earn MORE "now", then that can be an ever-sliding goal post. AUR shortcut gear, open SP to caps to boosters to OMEGA boosters; it all creates this air of assuming entitlement, peppered with all the arguments both for and against every single yard gained in this development.
Here we are again with Warbarge 101, with all of the same tired complaints and whines as every previous encounter of gains vs effort. What effort to sit and wait? It's a mini-game at best. It's POG. I get the argument of P2P... or at least pushing back, saying enough already with the money grab. Problem is, that gets lost in the forum tide of immediate want and gratification and the frustration of now.
Make a point, that's cool. It's still F2P though. Are WB sub-system upgrades too much/little for the time/AUR needed? Hey now, that's a conversation right there to debate and lobby for adjustments if needed. It's a new thing. What new thing is perfect in DUST? In anything, really. I agree that it's off. Maybe even way off. If those numbers are correct, time to wait is harsh even by EvE standards.I hate that my cap only allows me 2 days before I have to log back in just to claim a relatively small amount of components. Just don't cap it or something and let my cup overflow. If I'm back in a week or so, great. I've lost nothing for investing nothing. That pill might not be so hard to get down. Just know that conversation is swallowed whole by all the ranting. Headless chickens running circles trying their best to cluck and moan.
To be clear, this is not necessarily directed to the OP. It's more to the mindset that exists in the community as a whole, based on several threads floating about lately. Push away. I did. Distance gains perspective. Perspective offers peace in consideration. That's my best Yoda bit i got.
Or.. don't. Continue yelling at your shadow for being two steps behind. In the meantime, I'll play with my new toy for a few more days still until the shine wears off. At that point, I'll probably continue killing myself with a PLC. Cuz I'm bad. Terribad, as the kids say. =( off topic, when I was a kid we had a store downtown where you could buy all your cool breakdance gear. The red zipper jackets, hoodies, spiked bracelets, fingerless gloves, boom boxes, etc,. That place was called, "Superbad." That's me. Superbad. But not in the ironic cool kinda way. I'm just really... really bad. =^.^=
<3<3<3
- me.
kitten bacon taco (nom)
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
208
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Posted - 2015.02.05 23:19:00 -
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I cant believe I have to be the voice of reason
To the players.
They added something to dust that can potentially take years to max....
Years.
To CCP.
You added something to the game that can potentially take years to max.
And let people max it in days with AUR....
/sigh
"Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever
07-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
3140
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Posted - 2015.02.05 23:25:00 -
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TBH none of the Warbarge is required to be even remotely competitive besides the damage module, WB to level 3 and that module to level 3 and possibly the factory as well should be the only sane goals anyone has, the rest of the modules are more icing then having any real impact.
The damage module though for the WB I have mixed feelings about, I don't really like it tbh as it sets a dangerous precedence and a distinct advantage to those who have it. If it did not exist then the WB could be as "AUR intensive" or take as long as a decade to upgrade for all I care as the rest of the modules are more helpful perks then anything substantial.
"You see those red dots over there?
Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
209
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Posted - 2015.02.05 23:32:00 -
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I am ok with buying components with AUR. The more money CCP makes, the better dust will get.
I am NOT ok with Cooldown removal. This breaks game big time.
"Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever
07-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance
1502
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Posted - 2015.02.05 23:38:00 -
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Devadander wrote:I am ok with buying components with AUR. The more money CCP makes, the better dust will get.
I am NOT ok with Cooldown removal. This breaks game big time.
THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
congratulations, i think youre the first sane person ive seen about this.
Foresight: you have it or you don't.
If you think you do on this forum, you sure as Fwck don't.
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
211
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Posted - 2015.02.05 23:50:00 -
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I have PC on input 3, and ps3 on input 2, and my entire check in my wallet.
I'm stuck on input 3.
I cant sprinkle my weekly flakes on CCP knowing that, not only is the temptation there, but others are already a potential YEAR ahead of me!
And I promise, there are people with the barge maxed who have posted in the defense of NPE!
BLUE TAG! CPM!
"Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever
07-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
2475
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Posted - 2015.02.06 00:04:00 -
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Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote:AURLORD 1.0 Yeah, this is pretty much what i mean by 'cheezy marketing tacktikz'
Personally i don't care about the wait, i got patience. But i also got taste, and this whole sorry thing makes me feel bad....for New Eden.
PSN: RationalSpark
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TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet
138
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Posted - 2015.02.06 00:08:00 -
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If it takes me some time to keep upgrading my warbarge so be it. I like what bonuses it provides. I understand how people mm at be disappointed in how some could potentially max out the warbarge quickly by throwing money at it but I plan on playing as usual. |
DootDoot
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
370
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Posted - 2015.02.06 00:13:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote:AURLORD 1.0 Yeah, this is pretty much what i mean by 'cheezy marketing tacktikz' Personally i don't care about the wait, i got patience. But i also got taste, and this whole sorry thing makes me feel bad....for New Eden.
It more just sad.
People keep saying CCP needs to make money... Overwhelmingly everyone agrees with this. Infact it is a main reason alot of players invest into this game with regular booster purchases.
But these players also want something simple out of CCP.
To Expand their playerbase.
Not only for the games longevity and enjoyment... But also so there are more potential customers that would see fit into investing into this game.
These sorts of players with this request of CCP have been making it since closed beta.
New player experience... Intuitive Battle Academy with a structured quest system, separated populations. Better Game performance to increase enjoyability of all. Better controls ... etc.
Stuff that these players have heard from their peers in why they don't like the game and won't join them in playing it.
CCP instead has kept adding features that are nice for the veterans, but never was what they asked for first.. All while watching their playerbase shrink and shrink and CCP try and sell more and more to the limited people that are here.
CCP has limited their market of users simply by neglecting their enjoyment(Core mechanics) and new player enjoyment(NPE) in the product.
This game isn't failing because of the lack of Aurum items or things to spend money on... It's failing because despite the amazing concepts of the game.. The User experience is generally terrible, for years without any significant improvement. |
Edau Skir2
Nefantar Raiders
383
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Posted - 2015.02.06 00:15:00 -
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byte modal wrote: Eh, gotta lean towards M. Epic on this, though your last reply was kinda hard to follow ;) I'll sum it up using what that kat said to whom you were replying to begin with: "If you don't want to play it, either don't bother, or leave."
Oh, I'm actually not even slightly irritated about warbarge progression times taking forever anymore. Not after discovering this
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Shutter Fly
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
511
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Posted - 2015.02.06 00:36:00 -
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Edau Skir2 wrote:byte modal wrote: Eh, gotta lean towards M. Epic on this, though your last reply was kinda hard to follow ;) I'll sum it up using what that kat said to whom you were replying to begin with: "If you don't want to play it, either don't bother, or leave."
Oh, I'm actually not even slightly irritated about warbarge progression times taking forever anymore. Not after discovering this You do realize that that is a tiny fraction of the components needed for an upgrade, and that components seem to be a particularly rare drop?
For me, the issue isn't the fact that progression isn't easy, it's that the only two options are: fast progression for a substantial monetary investment, or extremely slow progression. There's no way to reliably "grind out" MCC progression, you HAVE TO spend money to speed up the progression by any appreciable amount.
The current system is also extremely restrictive. There is very little choice in the order of progression. Don't want ISK or SP generation? Too bad, you can't choose which subsystems you get to build. Want to invest in more component generation? Too bad, first you have to wait for cooldown, then you have to spend components on upgrading the Warbarge (possibly for a subsystem you don't want), then you have to spend even more components to upgrade the Mobile Factory. Unfortunately, the factory is the only good way to get non-AUR components, so you're stuck waiting.
Why can't I buy components for ISK? Why can't I buy components for LP? Why do Warbarges have NOTHING to do with Loyalty Rank (aka AUR Rank)? Why aren't there skills for Warbarge maintenance? |
Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
214
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Posted - 2015.02.06 00:52:00 -
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The bottom line here is you can unlock ALL of the features of the new feature, in the amount of time it takes to pay for it. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is wrong.
"Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever
07-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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castba
Rogue Instincts
750
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Posted - 2015.02.06 04:05:00 -
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Edau Skir2 wrote:Michael Epic wrote:All of you are looking at this all wrong.
Someone in this thread, maybe the OP made a comparison to Clash of Clans. Do you expect to have your village totally maxed out in a week? Then you better ante up big money for the gems and the whims to get it done.
Why do all of you expect that you should be able to upgrade your warbarge immediately? Why should you be able to max it out asap? What's wrong with waiting 6 days? Its not like YOU have to personally grind anything...its a time sink, just like training skills in EVE Online.
You're all so spoiled and think just because its shiny you should be able to get all of it right up front. You a spoiled little brat and want it all up front? Head to Wal-Mart and get you some PSN cards, 'Jack.
Me? I'll be waiting the 6 days for my warbarge to upgrade and then I'll log in and upgrade it. You ninny ass little sissies are ridiculous...milennial adults whiny ass little babies
Boo freaking hoo *ears perk up* do you hear the siren of the whambulance? I do.
6 days for the first upgrade? Fair enough. No complaints from me. The second upgrade is 2400 and something. So double the price. That's 12 weeks or 3 months. Now if level 4 follows this pattern, then it's either going to be around the 3600 mark (18 weeks, 4.5 months) or, if it doubles like the last upgrade cost, 4800 mark ( 24 weeks, 2 weeks shy off of HALF A YEAR) Someone clarify the Level 4 upgrade cost for me? Now, level 4 taking upto half a year potentially IS disgraceful. But the reason I quoted your post was to explain why we're being indignant, but also to point out that there was no need for your ignorant, needlessly rude, and completely unhelpful reply. If you don't want to read it, either don't bother, or leave. You know where the door is. Your numbers are wrong. when you upgrade, it produces more components per day.
From your post, I guess you are one of the young ones that expect eveything, immediately and for nothing.
Give a little, get a little. Doesn't matter if money or time, but you have to give to receive.
"When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
7369
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Posted - 2015.02.06 04:38:00 -
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Troll-lolololololol-lo-lo-lo-lo-lol
Put your flags up in the sky.
And wave them side to side.
Show the world where you're from.
Show the world we are one.
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Michael Epic
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
445
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Posted - 2015.02.06 15:30:00 -
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castba wrote: Your numbers are wrong. when you upgrade, it produces more components per day.
From your post, I guess you are one of the young ones that expect eveything, immediately and for nothing.
Give a little, get a little. Doesn't matter if money or time, but you have to give to receive.
Bless you sir, finally someone with a f!cking brain! *standing ovation* |
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