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jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 122	Posted - 2015.02.04 23:23:00 - [1] - Quote I honestly don't understand what people think is good behavior and bad behavior, It does not seem to be based on logic. I don't like the fact I have given up on AFKing, it feels like I have caved in to peer pressure. The objections to it seem so irrational and pathetic, I did literally smile when I noticed two people my team AFKed.
Makuta Miserix DOD - Fringe Division 336	Posted - 2015.02.04 23:35:00 - [2] - Quote Well... I'm going to assume this is a troll thread. I sure hope it is. CEO of DOD - Fringe Division. Please don't break the universe. Thank you for your cooperation. Private Beta Veteran.
Leovarian L Lavitz KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1378	Posted - 2015.02.04 23:38:00 - [3] - Quote It is because this is a team based game. When a player afk's, he is effectively playing for the enemy team, because 1/16th of the team is no longer available to go do things. When four players are afk, that's 1/4 of the team out of commission. When 8 players afk, the field is then 16 vrs 8, 2 to 1. A terrible, utter, unfun stomp. Afking is bad because it severely impacts the gameplay for every member of both teams committed to the battle. Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in these specialties, none compare in all of them
Union118 Heaven's Lost Property 397	Posted - 2015.02.04 23:42:00 - [4] - Quote Good everytime im stuck on a stomped team ill afc. No point in tring cuz its one less kill thoes scrubs will get. Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3102	Posted - 2015.02.04 23:54:00 - [5] - Quote jane stalin wrote: I honestly don't understand what people think is good behavior and bad behavior, It does not seem to be based on logic. I don't like the fact I have given up on AFKing, it feels like I have caved in to peer pressure. The objections to it seem so irrational and pathetic, I did literally smile when I noticed two people my team AFKed. By weakening your team by one player, you are making their game much harder, more frustrating, and worsening their player experience and enjoyment of the game. Why do you AFK when actively participating in a match even with start fits earns a substantially higher reward and allows the match to progress faster? AFKing is especially unforgivable when in FW, as winning/losing has a drastic effect on payouts. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
DozersMouse XIII Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 964	Posted - 2015.02.04 23:59:00 - [6] - Quote because objectives and teamwork this isn't cod "I had no idea you could milk a cat." "Oh yeah, you can milk anything with nipples."
G Felix Terminus Defense Force 445	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:01:00 - [7] - Quote jane stalin wrote: I honestly don't understand what people think is good behavior and bad behavior, It does not seem to be based on logic. I don't like the fact I have given up on AFKing, it feels like I have caved in to peer pressure. The objections to it seem so irrational and pathetic, I did literally smile when I noticed two people my team AFKed. You honestly don't understand why people dislike those players who abstain from helping in a team based game? Let's use any team endeavor as an example, like a professional sporting event. Every player on each side will draw a contractually guaranteed salary for taking the field, regardless of their performance, with certain bonus incentives encouraging them to play at the highest level they can. Now imagine if a player on one team decided that they weren't going to participate in the game, that they are going to simply stand on the field while their team attempts to beat their opponent while playing at a disadvantage. For the purposes of this analogy keep in mind that this selfish player will still draw their basic salary. How would the teammates of this player feel about this decision? It's difficult to say that games have a "Social Contract" in quite the same way the rest of society does, but considering that playing DUST is a completely voluntary endeavor and we're all here to have fun and compete with one another it strikes me as odd that some people would choose to AFK instead of enjoying the game. In conclusion, I sincerely hope you're a troll. Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)
jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 122	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:05:00 - [8] - Quote Makuta Miserix wrote: Well... I'm going to assume this is a troll thread. I sure hope it is. It is not, I am genuinely confused, When I was trying to learn to fly dropships I was not helping my team win, I was crashing dropships but apparently this is not wrong . When I tried to learn how to use the plasma cannon I just gave the enemy team warpoints and apparently this is not wrong.
G Felix Terminus Defense Force 446	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:15:00 - [9] - Quote jane stalin wrote: Makuta Miserix wrote: Well... I'm going to assume this is a troll thread. I sure hope it is. It is not, I am genuinely confused, When I was trying to learn to fly dropships I was not helping my team win, I was crashing dropships but apparently this is not wrong . When I tried to learn how to use the plasma cannon I just gave the enemy team warpoints and apparently this is not wrong. The key here is that you were trying, at least. You were trying to learn how to use tools to help your team. Sitting in the MCC taking up a spot on your team's roster isn't trying, it's giving up. Going 2/16, while it costs your team clones, is better than going 0/0 because it at least means you're attempting to help. Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)
Makuta Miserix DOD - Fringe Division 337	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:16:00 - [10] - Quote jane stalin wrote: Makuta Miserix wrote: Well... I'm going to assume this is a troll thread. I sure hope it is. It is not, I am genuinely confused, When I was trying to learn to fly dropships I was not helping my team win, I was crashing dropships but apparently this is not wrong . When I tried to learn how to use the plasma cannon I just gave the enemy team warpoints and apparently this is not wrong. Well at least you were trying. CEO of DOD - Fringe Division. Please don't break the universe. Thank you for your cooperation. Private Beta Veteran.

jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 122	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:23:00 - [11] - Quote G Felix wrote: You honestly don't understand why people dislike those players who abstain from helping in a team based game? Let's use any team endeavor as an example, like a professional sporting event. . How would the teammates of this player feel about this decision? If it was an actual profession sporting event they would hate the person that just stood there in the same way as they would hate a player without natural ability, So I should hate players on my team without natural ability.
jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 122	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:25:00 - [12] - Quote Makuta Miserix wrote: [quote=jane stalin][quote=Makuta Miserix]Well... Well at least you were trying. The thing is I was NOT trying to help my team win I was trying to learn something, They would literally would have been better off with an AFKer.
G Felix Terminus Defense Force 447	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:30:00 - [13] - Quote jane stalin wrote: G Felix wrote: You honestly don't understand why people dislike those players who abstain from helping in a team based game? Let's use any team endeavor as an example, like a professional sporting event. . How would the teammates of this player feel about this decision? If it was an actual profession sporting event they would hate the person that just stood there in the same way as they would hate a player without natural ability, So I should hate players on my team without natural ability. Your point is sonewhat valid, playing with unskilled players on your team is very frustrating. But a player that is selfish and lazy is worse by far. I will take clueless blueberries straight out of the academy over AFKers any day of the week. Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)
Makuta Miserix DOD - Fringe Division 338	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:30:00 - [14] - Quote jane stalin wrote: Makuta Miserix wrote: [quote=jane stalin][quote=Makuta Miserix]Well... Well at least you were trying. The thing is I was NOT trying to help my team win I was trying to learn something, They would literally would have been better off with an AFKer. You don't get it. Practicing your flying skills means that enemy AV will try to engage you. If there is enemy AV, there are less people hunting infantry. And using a PLC is fun. So that isn't even a valid 'complaint' Edit: Also, you don't have anywhere else to practice. So... Edit 2: I still feel that you are a troll. CEO of DOD - Fringe Division. Please don't break the universe. Thank you for your cooperation. Private Beta Veteran.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3106	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:30:00 - [15] - Quote I'm sure you can find many arguments on the internet on why it is wrong if you so desire, that will reward your curiosity far more then arguing in this forum. In the end, only the following matters from a practical standpoint: Almost every game has anti-AFK measures, every community as a majority (You are the minority) hates AFKers and pushes for their extermination/removal. Adapt, as arguing about it on the slim chance that you are not a troll will change nothing. You are conducting socially unacceptable behavior for this given community and are being punished accordingly. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1773	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:32:00 - [16] - Quote Me personally , I don't give a frack and why should I .?. you can scam players out of BPO codes , ISK's , Corporations , Suits / Vehicles by TK and some other crooked methods , hell glitches and bugs scam me out of enjoying this game half the time and who am I to tell somebody else what to do when the rules are so clearly stated that there are none for the most part , now ... do I want that on my team .?. hell no and that's because I have a hard enough time running solo as it is and I like it that way but I don't need any additional baggage weighing me / the team that I happen to be on , down . It's not for me to tell you not to do it , it's for you to already understand that it's not helpful . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 122	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:34:00 - [17] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: By weakening your team by one player, you are making their game much harder, more frustrating, and worsening their player experience and enjoyment of the game. Total nonsense, There is a high chance the game will be very lopsided no matter what I do.
deezy dabest 2094	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:35:00 - [18] - Quote Don't cave to peer pressure. AFK if you want to.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3106	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:37:00 - [19] - Quote jane stalin wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: By weakening your team by one player, you are making their game much harder, more frustrating, and worsening their player experience and enjoyment of the game. Total nonsense, There is a high chance the game will be very lopsided no matter what I do. A chance of imbalance is irrefutably better odds then guaranteeing a worse imbalance, and your behavior aggravates players and is easily noticeable thus prone for punishment. My previous post still stands. You may naturally attempt to AFK if you want to, but you will be punished accordingly. Your arguments about it are changing nothing. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 620	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:38:00 - [20] - Quote jane stalin wrote: Makuta Miserix wrote: [quote=jane stalin][quote=Makuta Miserix]Well... Well at least you were trying. The thing is I was NOT trying to help my team win I was trying to learn something, They would literally would have been better off with an AFKer. Short term detriment to your team vs long term assistance to your team really. The real reason everyone should care about AFKing, that no one has mentioned, is it costs teammates ISK. Fewer teammates pushing objectives means the players that ARE playing are outnumbered. And therefore dieing more. And therefore losing ISK. So I mean, sure you can AFK and cost your team ISK. Just be grateful this is not MAG and there is no vote kick option. Hope that never gets implemented, because AFK enough and people will remember your name and you'll never get an isk or SP again.

castba Rogue Instincts 744	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:44:00 - [21] - Quote jane stalin wrote: Makuta Miserix wrote: Well... I'm going to assume this is a troll thread. I sure hope it is. It is not, I am genuinely confused, When I was trying to learn to fly dropships I was not helping my team win, I was crashing dropships but apparently this is not wrong . When I tried to learn how to use the plasma cannon I just gave the enemy team warpoints and apparently this is not wrong. Think of it in a sporting context. Rookies are generally not great but can have the potential to be. When you were learning how to fly, you were the rookie learning the ropes. The only way to get better is by doing. AFKing is the same as your favourite sports team having a player on field that just stand in one spot watching everything happen. "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 122	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:49:00 - [22] - Quote I will accept that the majority of people don't want me to AFK so I won't do it , but I am never going to understand it. From me every single answer on this thread seems like an insane false analogy Imp Smash wrote: Short term detriment to your team vs long term assistance to your team really. Hence not wrong. . how can you talk about teams in the long term, They change each game
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3107	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:50:00 - [23] - Quote jane stalin wrote: how can you talk about teams in the long term, They change each game You as a player will "get better" thus in the long run helping your future teams. Either way, arguing about it on the forums is a terrible way to go about things when there are whole essays on the internet of why AFKing is bad. Have fun! "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3107	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:52:00 - [24] - Quote Why do you AFK? "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 621	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:54:00 - [25] - Quote jane stalin wrote: I will accept that the majority of people don't want me to AFK so I won't do it , but I am never going to understand it. From me every single answer on this thread seems like an insane false analogy Imp Smash wrote: Short term detriment to your team vs long term assistance to your team really. Hence not wrong. . how can you talk about teams in the long term, They change each game Small playerbase. Will see each other again. Don't want to lose ISK because of that fact.
PL4SM4 C4NN0N 6	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:57:00 - [26] - Quote op why are you even playing a multiplayer team game? everyone has explained it really clearly and you don't get it. being part of a team means you have responsibilities to your teammates even if you suck! if you want to screw around by yourself there are games that are probably waaaaay more fun than staring at the inside of a mcc! don't understand you one single bit. The name says it all
castba Rogue Instincts 745	Posted - 2015.02.05 04:27:00 - [27] - Quote jane stalin wrote: I will accept that the majority of people don't want me to AFK so I won't do it , but I am never going to understand it. From me every single answer on this thread seems like an insane false analogy False? Now I know this is a troll thread. Thanks for the waste of the one thing I can never get back: time. "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3110	Posted - 2015.02.05 04:59:00 - [28] - Quote Well keep in mind this is also the same author of: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2442673#post2442673 Which indicates either a troll, or a disconnect with social norms due to either culture shock or Autism etc. shrugs To each their own, OP might simply be an extremely stubborn close-minded person. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 330	Posted - 2015.02.05 05:02:00 - [29] - Quote jane stalin wrote: I will accept that the majority of people don't want me to AFK so I won't do it , but I am never going to understand it. From me every single answer on this thread seems like an insane false analogy Imp Smash wrote: Short term detriment to your team vs long term assistance to your team really. Hence not wrong. . how can you talk about teams in the long term, They change each game Because people can empathise with someone starting out and not being good at the game. Think of it this way, if someone in a wheelchair asked to you help them up a hill you'd happily oblige, but if when you got to the top they walked off, you'd be pretty annoyed ADS Ramming Revenge! Should Have Stayed Inside (the Tank)
jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 122	Posted - 2015.02.05 05:20:00 - [30] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Well keep in mind this is also the same author of: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2442673#post2442673 Which indicates either a troll, or a disconnect with social norms due to either culture shock or Autism etc. shrugs To each their own, OP might simply be an extremely stubborn close-minded person. I literally have not understood any of the posts in this thread I think they are all worse than saying "AFKing is like the Holocaust and the Holocaust was bad" , I agree the Holocaust was bad part but I don't understand the comparison, My apologies for wasting peoples time I usually do understand things when I ask questions

Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3111	Posted - 2015.02.05 05:21:00 - [31] - Quote jane stalin wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Well keep in mind this is also the same author of: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2442673#post2442673 Which indicates either a troll, or a disconnect with social norms due to either culture shock or Autism etc. shrugs To each their own, OP might simply be an extremely stubborn close-minded person. I literally have not understood any of the posts in this thread, My apologies for wasting peoples time I did not expect that to happen. Out of curiosity, what is your native language? "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 122	Posted - 2015.02.05 05:28:00 - [32] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: jane stalin wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Well keep in mind this is also the same author of: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2442673#post2442673 Which indicates either a troll, or a disconnect with social norms due to either culture shock or Autism etc. shrugs To each their own, OP might simply be an extremely stubborn close-minded person. I literally have not understood any of the posts in this thread, My apologies for wasting peoples time I did not expect that to happen. Out of curiosity, what is your native language? English
nWo wolfpacc Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2015.02.05 08:06:00 - [33] - Quote I will afk if I need to eat or go to the rest room or answer the door or something along those lines, I have limited play time, so I need to have my merc in battle as much as possible, to maximise sp and isk.
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 425	Posted - 2015.02.05 08:09:00 - [34] - Quote So trolls can get internet under their bridges now? My how the times have changed o: On a side note, I think AFK'ers should have skill points and ISK deducted from their accounts at the end of battle c: G.L.O.R.Y Soldier, I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3 -Heavy/Logi/Assault/Scout-
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 152	Posted - 2015.02.05 08:24:00 - [35] - Quote jane stalin wrote: I honestly don't understand what people think is good behavior and bad behavior, It does not seem to be based on logic. I don't like the fact I have given up on AFKing, it feels like I have caved in to peer pressure. The objections to it seem so irrational and pathetic, I did literally smile when I noticed two people my team AFKed. If this is a legitimate question then there is no reason to answer it because you are clearly an idiot and you probably won't understand any explanation someone gives you.
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 152	Posted - 2015.02.05 08:27:00 - [36] - Quote jane stalin wrote: I honestly don't understand what people think is good behavior and bad behavior, It does not seem to be based on logic. I don't like the fact I have given up on AFKing, it feels like I have caved in to peer pressure. The objections to it seem so irrational and pathetic, I did literally smile when I noticed two people my team AFKed. Wait a minute...are you like a little kid or something? If so, I didn't mean to call you an idiot in my last post. I don't want to hinder your curiosity to learn.
Starlight Burner ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 106	Posted - 2015.02.05 09:31:00 - [37] - Quote Depends on the circumstances if AFK/AFC is cool or not. Thank god for CCP Rattati!! Rogue Relics is my home away from home.


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