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bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 1427	Posted - 2015.02.03 22:09:00 - [1] - Quote The lack of silence to the monetization posts and the path that Dust is heading in, is almost as disrespectful to the community as the silence behind Legion/Dusts future has been.. CCP has already lost a handful of supporters with the Legion announcement at fan fest last year.. I can't see any of this monetization crap helping gain those supporters back, especially considering the silence.. I remember the Jita Riots when CCP EVE side tried this crap with Incarna. All of a sudden it's acceptable and CCP doesn't give a damn how their players feel ? CCP Why don't you actually come clean with us, as your customers and tell us what the long term goal is.. Word on the street is Ratatti is pimping out what is left of the Dust community as much as he can before it dies.... People were excited for Warlord till they opened up their Warbarge and figured they would have to wait days upon months (Or purchase AUR) to really see any worthwhile return from this new "pseudo expansion".. I can't speak for everyone but I broke down and purchased AUR today.. Don't I and those who continue to support this game deserve to know our investments are going to be worth anything in 6months. Or is CCP's image going to be that much more tarnished if the majority of what is being purchased ends up wasted.. ? At the end of the day doesn't a company need to ask itself if how we are making money ethical especially if long term goals include current customers.. ?
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 21630	Posted - 2015.02.03 22:10:00 - [2] - Quote Don't worry, your investments are being spent well. By spending money, you support the development of excellent features such as loyalty ranks and strongboxes. Unveiling the revolutionary, new, content-packed expansion... *AURlords 1.0!*
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 411	Posted - 2015.02.03 22:15:00 - [3] - Quote As long as the game it'self is free, people will still keep playing and they can do what ever they want with payable content. G.L.O.R.Y Soldier, I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3 -Heavy/Logi/Assault/Scout-
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 16944	Posted - 2015.02.03 22:19:00 - [4] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Don't worry, your investments are being spent well. By spending money, you support the development of excellent features such as loyalty ranks and strongboxes. Plus keeping down those filthy dissidents at the CCP offices who want to put statues in Dust 514....... Coming this summer...... In a world where CCP Rattati has fled the CCP Offices after he proposed making the game better....... where content development has slowed to a crawl and one man opposes the total dissolution of this games assets. [Scenes of Explosions, Quafe, and Icelandic Beers] "This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
7th Son 7 BLITZKRIEG7 428	Posted - 2015.02.03 22:21:00 - [5] - Quote I don't think CCP's plan is to take the money and run. Dev teams need paid and new developing games are expensive. After the uproar after the last fanfest, they might sit on it till it's closer. It's going to be ok Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible........--- Stonewall Jackson
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 474	Posted - 2015.02.03 22:23:00 - [6] - Quote Its free to play. CCP has to make money some way to maintain the servers, the staff, if you want new content development isn't free. Be happy you have a free game to play and that the only things you can pay for are either fancy new color schemes or early access to Prototype Weapons and maybe a little bonus to your skill points. The State will always survive.
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 1429	Posted - 2015.02.03 22:28:00 - [7] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: As long as the game it'self is free, people will still keep playing and they can do what ever they want with payable content. Everyone here knows Dust has a shelf life, probably a pretty limited shelf life as well, unless CCP's plans are to just keep monetizing it on the PS3 down to the very last player... Does anyone want that ? It's true people will continue to play but with that being said you think its ethically right to sell a feature to a community knowing your product has a limited lifespan ? I never said they couldn't do what ever they wanted with payable content but chances are Ratatti or someone at CCP knows what is being done or what is not being done with Dust/Legion... They also know what can and can't be transferred if Dust was to ever go to the PS4. Last I read If Legion was a thing, the only thing transferable are your skillpoints. I don't see this static Warbarge garbage being part of Legion or even Next Gen Dusts "Big picture" If it is, why doesn't someone say this ? If CCP came out and said hey guys your Warbarge specs will be transferable over to Dust PS4 or Legion.. Do you know how many more people would be throwing money at them.. The silence is what's killing it..
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 610	Posted - 2015.02.03 22:29:00 - [8] - Quote You can't compare the Jita riots with monetization in Dust. In EVE they introduced *very* expensive (vanity) gear on top of a payed subscription. Dust is free to play, so it need to make its money from somewhere. Is a bit too heavy handed? perhaps. It doesn't bother me too much, but wouldn't mind to have it toned downed a little bit (cheaper keys, less boxes, slightly different wordings on the "do you want to purchase" pop-ups etc). Although I have to say they probably nailed the price for the Warbarge components. They seem reasonable. And as much as I would like to know info about Legion, I don't feel my AUR purchases makes CCP "owe us" anything regarding info of another game.
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 1433	Posted - 2015.02.03 22:32:00 - [9] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: I don't think CCP's plan is to take the money and run. Dev teams need paid and new developing games are expensive. After the uproar after the last fanfest, they might sit on it till it's closer. It's going to be ok I don't think so either but don't you want to know what you're investing in is going to mean something in the end... This type of marketing is why I don't play single player games, that don't transfer save files.. It's basically throwing money away because everything you paid for or worked for disappears in 6 months when they release a new title ..
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18572	Posted - 2015.02.03 22:46:00 - [10] - Quote Dear Development Santa; All I want for chinese new years is a 3d model artist; love Kwanzaa. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked

bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 1434	Posted - 2015.02.03 22:51:00 - [11] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dear Development Santa; All I want for chinese new years is a 3d model artist; love Kwanzaa. Do we have an IWS translator in house ?
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 3200	Posted - 2015.02.03 22:54:00 - [12] - Quote Regis Blackbird wrote: You can't compare the Jita riots with monetization in Dust. In EVE they introduced *very* expensive (vanity) gear on top of a payed subscription. Dust is free to play, so it need to make its money from somewhere. Is a bit too heavy handed? perhaps. I think this is the best way to look at it. CCP has done from "boosters and Aurum gear" to Quafe, APEX, Strongboxes, Warbarge, Loyalty Boosters, and end of battle boosters. It hurts even with Warbarge because it seems like the entire system was designed as a "let's get money out of the player" rather than it being something cool. If Warbarges EVER become important, you can bet your ass that it will be a pretty big pay wall. Heavy handed, yes, but it doesn't compare to Incarna. Incarna was a bit different, more about "so all these changes that we were supposed to have didn't happen but we got 70 dollar monocles?" In truth, FanFest '14 with DUST 514's keynote being about an entirely different game (or maybe it isn't because 'transfer when applicable') and the 8 months of total silence while putting out more and more monetization is closer Incarna; just a lack of respect for the community. We do have things to be upset with but pinning it on Quafe, Strongboxes, and Warbarges isn't quite accurate. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 3382	Posted - 2015.02.03 23:20:00 - [13] - Quote This is my problem with this bullshit patch. Most of the vet's in this game have 100-400 $$ ++++ into this game.... These people have never spent this much on a single console game ever.... They haven't even spent that much on 6 years of CoD, with DLC's and customizations.... CCP Has milked this player base already for hundreds of dollars per commited player..... Yet they don't think that their INABILITY TO KEEP NEW PLAYERS and EXPAND their client base isn't the core of the issue? They honestly think selling more **** to the small player base it has is the best answer to monetize DUST.... Worse is the passion that went into this update full of obvious in your face bugs and glitches... To produce a Less then Cellular phone screen saver quality interface? If that is what is in store for the future... I might aswell get off this train now. This will be the first patch ever, that I won't put a dollar into this game.
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 475	Posted - 2015.02.03 23:28:00 - [14] - Quote This sums up the Community vs CCP The State will always survive.
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14860	Posted - 2015.02.03 23:38:00 - [15] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dear Development Santa; All I want for chinese new years is a 3d model artist; love Kwanzaa. Do we have an IWS translator in house ? Those exist? Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 1445	Posted - 2015.02.04 00:49:00 - [16] - Quote New "Expansion" and 90% of the general discussion threads are about Facebook games, P2W and lottery... lol
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 475	Posted - 2015.02.04 00:55:00 - [17] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: New "Expansion" and 90% of the general discussion threads are about Facebook games, P2W and lottery... lol Thats the same topics that were around when APEX suits and the reintroduction of BPO's and salvage boxes were released and somehow they didn't kill the game. The State will always survive.
We are 138 TRUE TEA BAGGERS 724	Posted - 2015.02.04 01:00:00 - [18] - Quote So how else is a free to play supposed to make money? Hello? any one there?
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8311	Posted - 2015.02.04 01:01:00 - [19] - Quote At this point I've resigned to just not fighting it anymore. I figure, let it happen. Let Dust 514 rot, maybe do right by Project Legion and start fresh using all the money gained from Dust 514. It's sort of a bittersweet outlook but yanno... Long as the end justifies the means I guess. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property 5977	Posted - 2015.02.04 01:03:00 - [20] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: I don't think CCP's plan is to take the money and run. Looks at Fanfest Pretty sure them cutting Dust's development, giving another platform all our shinies we were promised, and then giving us no update to the future of our own game... with the assumption that Dust is pretty much dead and doomed... was a cut and run tactic. This is them back peddling because they saw they could still make a buck before giving it to Legion. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot

bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 1456	Posted - 2015.02.04 02:08:00 - [21] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: I don't think CCP's plan is to take the money and run. Looks at Fanfest Pretty sure them cutting Dust's development, giving another platform all our shinies we were promised, and then giving us no update to the future of our own game... with the assumption that Dust is pretty much dead and doomed... was a cut and run tactic. This is them back peddling because they saw they could still make a buck before giving it to Legion. I agree, although they could pick a better way to get funding from players, I wouldn't mind contributing if they were actually honest about Dust/Legion. I would actually be willing to spend money if I knew where it was going... I guess it's a double edge sword they could be transparent with us and release Legion/Dust plans, milestones, etc.. Then purely console fanboys won't even considering purchasing AUR. Is silence really a better alternative to transparency because the silence and haphazard rapid monetization is pushing away both Legion enthusiast and possible new players... I really believe if they were transparent, there would have push back and negative reactions but the fans who have stuck with them will build PC's and plan for a Legion release. ****, just look at the Legion General discussion when it was still a fresh idea through out the community.. Lots of people asking for PC builds and advice. CCP could learn from games like Star Citizen that have raised close to 80Million on purely being transparent with their idea and community......
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 1456	Posted - 2015.02.05 03:05:00 - [22] - Quote CCP should take notes Development Without Borders
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 170	Posted - 2015.02.05 03:39:00 - [23] - Quote We are 138 wrote: So how else is a free to play supposed to make money? By actually making a game that many people want to play and by making monetization systems that doesn't make the game seem like p2w or buying power that can cause the already small player base and new players to question putting money on the game, or playing for that matter. F2P games already have a bad rep among console gamers. Adding Plex suits, the Aurum ranks, and the Aurumbarg to a game that looks like a playstation 2 game or a early ps3 game does not seem like a good idea to me. It seems its targeted towards fanboys and veterans, if that's the case, then it can be risky. Also making those features really, really grindy doesn't help either and anyone saying it helps new players sounds like bullshit.
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 622	Posted - 2015.02.05 04:55:00 - [24] - Quote I don't know. Seems to me the current group of devs are trying to make Dust as good as possible. No one forces you to spend Aur. You didn't lose anything with the warlord update. It's strange to me when people act as though because they didn't get something (which they could do should they so choose) they somehow lost something. Really all I would say is that the Devs are more active about keeping us informed or letting us know they are listening than before. That does not necessarily mean that anything has changed at CCP, which also means, there may have never been anything that needed to be changed.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5992	Posted - 2015.02.05 05:45:00 - [25] - Quote What if they literally had to earn "X amount of $" for "X amount of Dev time" estimated to green light projects for Dust? Either way I agree that some forecasting about the future of Dust/Legion needs to happen. I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 1468	Posted - 2015.02.05 06:08:00 - [26] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: What if they literally had to earn "X amount of $" for "X amount of Dev time" estimated to green light projects for Dust? Either way I agree that some forecasting about the future of Dust/Legion needs to happen. I've thought about this too but CCP wasn't born yesterday, they know there finances and what they need. So unless they plan on carrying this horrible monetization system over to Legion, I don't see why they would need to gauge it.. If you ask me CCP is gambling with their reputation when/if people find out all this fluff they're buying stays with the PS3...


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