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Joel II X
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Posted - 2015.02.04 05:43:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:Duke Noobiam wrote:I've been thinking about how to help improve this and have realized that it's too bad the team chat channel is not used more.
I know the team channel can suck as immature players like to spam it with beat boxing, singing, screaming, and general attention getting behavior (mute button should be used on these people), but the biggest balance issue is having one team with coordinated play against a team with non-coordinated play.
In my experience, the most successful squads are the ones where one player calls the match and leads the squad.
So next time you are on a team that is not pushing, I encourage vets to use the team channel to call out which objectives/installations to take next, ask for uplinks, call out rally points, and give basic general direction (like: someone flux that uplink, take out that logi, etc).
Maybe a few blues will listen to the directions and the team might play cohesively. You bring up a good point. It would be nice to be able to mute specific people instead of having to mute everyone. There is... well, haven't used in in months so maybe it's gone? |
Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
9783
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Posted - 2015.02.04 05:58:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:Summa Militum wrote:Union118 wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I'm beyond fed up.
I'll never understand why droves of people turn on the game, enter matches, but refuse to play. Because noone wants to get stomped. Its all the proto stompers fault. They have no gun game, they all trash players, they all have no respect. Get a proto suit yourself or stop playing the game. Proto stompers are not the problem. The problem is putting 13 **** players on a team with 2 or 3 decent players and expecting those three people to hold up the rest of the team as they go up against an enemy team of mostly proto suits. Matchmaking and dumbass people with little to no situational awareness is what is ****** up in this game. This^^^ ThorOdinson42 is right about the payout system. Far too low, and I don't understand why? If I've put 200k into a battle the payout is the same as if I've put 1 mil in. Kill 25 get 200k. Kill 5 get 200k. I don't get it? Now they say vets get even lower payouts if we don't go balls to the wall, but if we do the payouts are still low? Wait a minute?! The matchmaker needs to stop being referred to because it clearly is a notional idea. There's no way CCP can come here and say "there is a working matchmaker" with a straight face. 99% of all matches are one sided as ever. I've been on teams where the enemy team only had one true blue that wasn't in squad, and our team had our 4 man squad fighting tooth and nail for no reason. The other 12 were sniping, afk, or redline tanking. However, we can blame alot of things, but it comes down to integrity. Some of these players i dont even want on my team. They won't push a swing set let alone a point! They have no intention of helping anyone. They still play this game like they playing C.O.D., and to them it's all about the leaderboards. They will see you engaging a target, but will not fire on him because they may not get the kill. I've watched this bs happen. They fight like they hate their team mates more than the enemy. The fundamentals of team play have been washed away by the solo merc mentality. Low isk payout, bad matchmaking, and incompetency doesn't help. Some of these players make me wonder if they're this backwards in real life. I've even attempted to use the ever so useless team chat. Screamed in it, typed in it, but all for nothing. I just wanna know why they don't carry equipment? No links, no ammo, no scanners, but that rep tool gets major play lol! Then people complain about tankers with equipment?! You wouldn't have any links in some matches if i didn't jump out, kill a guy, drop a link, and fight the tank off you! What I don't understand is guys like Thor are almost never on my team even "accidentally". You mean to tell me the matchmaker can put me against 6 Nyain san or a full q sync of two PC team squads 12 deep, but I can't get another competent player unless I bring em? I've been in matches that were utter landslides, but this matchmaker never puts me on teams with FA, third rock, or other strong players? It seems I'm doomed to carry academy graduates into quitting the game?! The phrase "team carry" has become a household phrase. Need a back brace when carrying the team I've been doing it so long. I've even wrote to Saxonmish on one of his vids saying that one day the matchmaker will bless us to be on the same team so he has some F*CKING help when he loses a dom after going 55/7 while his entire team goes f*cking negative, and loses the match?! If he's fresh out of the academy he's basically cannon fodder while we get crushed for not having team mates.
The reason why you guys are never put on strong teams is SIMPLE.
Anyone decent knows they must squad up to succeed.
So (Insert Corp Here) forms a squad and heads in. Well, our Mu is crazy right now. So we normally get a lot of newberries.
This means that if you are in the same que as us, anyone DECENT will be put on the other side. And most are solo players.
6 Strong Players together will always stomp a team of 8 or so decent players who don't link up.
The solution to this? SQUAD UP.
Born Deteis Caldari. Rejected by my Kinsman.
Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe.
Nobody messes with my family
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
7612
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Posted - 2015.02.04 07:31:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:Summa Militum wrote:Union118 wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I'm beyond fed up.
I'll never understand why droves of people turn on the game, enter matches, but refuse to play. Because noone wants to get stomped. Its all the proto stompers fault. They have no gun game, they all trash players, they all have no respect. Get a proto suit yourself or stop playing the game. Proto stompers are not the problem. The problem is putting 13 **** players on a team with 2 or 3 decent players and expecting those three people to hold up the rest of the team as they go up against an enemy team of mostly proto suits. Matchmaking and dumbass people with little to no situational awareness is what is ****** up in this game. This^^^ ThorOdinson42 is right about the payout system. Far too low, and I don't understand why? If I've put 200k into a battle the payout is the same as if I've put 1 mil in. Kill 25 get 200k. Kill 5 get 200k. I don't get it? Now they say vets get even lower payouts if we don't go balls to the wall, but if we do the payouts are still low? Wait a minute?! The matchmaker needs to stop being referred to because it clearly is a notional idea. There's no way CCP can come here and say "there is a working matchmaker" with a straight face. 99% of all matches are one sided as ever. I've been on teams where the enemy team only had one true blue that wasn't in squad, and our team had our 4 man squad fighting tooth and nail for no reason. The other 12 were sniping, afk, or redline tanking. However, we can blame alot of things, but it comes down to integrity. Some of these players i dont even want on my team. They won't push a swing set let alone a point! They have no intention of helping anyone. They still play this game like they playing C.O.D., and to them it's all about the leaderboards. They will see you engaging a target, but will not fire on him because they may not get the kill. I've watched this bs happen. They fight like they hate their team mates more than the enemy. The fundamentals of team play have been washed away by the solo merc mentality. Low isk payout, bad matchmaking, and incompetency doesn't help. Some of these players make me wonder if they're this backwards in real life. I've even attempted to use the ever so useless team chat. Screamed in it, typed in it, but all for nothing. I just wanna know why they don't carry equipment? No links, no ammo, no scanners, but that rep tool gets major play lol! Then people complain about tankers with equipment?! You wouldn't have any links in some matches if i didn't jump out, kill a guy, drop a link, and fight the tank off you! What I don't understand is guys like Thor are almost never on my team even "accidentally". You mean to tell me the matchmaker can put me against 6 Nyain san or a full q sync of two PC team squads 12 deep, but I can't get another competent player unless I bring em? I've been in matches that were utter landslides, but this matchmaker never puts me on teams with FA, third rock, or other strong players? It seems I'm doomed to carry academy graduates into quitting the game?! The phrase "team carry" has become a household phrase. Need a back brace when carrying the team I've been doing it so long. I've even wrote to Saxonmish on one of his vids saying that one day the matchmaker will bless us to be on the same team so he has some F*CKING help when he loses a dom after going 55/7 while his entire team goes f*cking negative, and loses the match?! If he's fresh out of the academy he's basically cannon fodder while we get crushed for not having team mates. The reason why you guys are never put on strong teams is SIMPLE. Anyone decent knows they must squad up to succeed. So (Insert Corp Here) forms a squad and heads in. Well, our Mu is crazy right now. So we normally get a lot of newberries. This means that if you are in the same que as us, anyone DECENT will be put on the other side. And most are solo players. 6 Strong Players together will always stomp a team of 8 or so decent players who don't link up. The solution to this? SQUAD UP. OR it could put a squad with a similar Mu opposite you so that it doesn't force people to play squads in a pub for any of the number of legitimate reasons that people don't play in squads so that CCP doesn't alienate a significant portion of the video game playing community and further deter more people from playing the game and keeping with it than it already is.
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hold that
Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention
606
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Posted - 2015.02.04 07:42:00 -
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People still talking about proto stompers lmao I bet you play street fighter and say no throwing hadoukens |
Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD RUST415
725
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Posted - 2015.02.04 07:49:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:Summa Militum wrote:Union118 wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I'm beyond fed up.
I'll never understand why droves of people turn on the game, enter matches, but refuse to play. Because noone wants to get stomped. Its all the proto stompers fault. They have no gun game, they all trash players, they all have no respect. Get a proto suit yourself or stop playing the game. Proto stompers are not the problem. The problem is putting 13 **** players on a team with 2 or 3 decent players and expecting those three people to hold up the rest of the team as they go up against an enemy team of mostly proto suits. Matchmaking and dumbass people with little to no situational awareness is what is ****** up in this game. This^^^ ThorOdinson42 is right about the payout system. Far too low, and I don't understand why? If I've put 200k into a battle the payout is the same as if I've put 1 mil in. Kill 25 get 200k. Kill 5 get 200k. I don't get it? Now they say vets get even lower payouts if we don't go balls to the wall, but if we do the payouts are still low? Wait a minute?! The matchmaker needs to stop being referred to because it clearly is a notional idea. There's no way CCP can come here and say "there is a working matchmaker" with a straight face. 99% of all matches are one sided as ever. I've been on teams where the enemy team only had one true blue that wasn't in squad, and our team had our 4 man squad fighting tooth and nail for no reason. The other 12 were sniping, afk, or redline tanking. However, we can blame alot of things, but it comes down to integrity. Some of these players i dont even want on my team. They won't push a swing set let alone a point! They have no intention of helping anyone. They still play this game like they playing C.O.D., and to them it's all about the leaderboards. They will see you engaging a target, but will not fire on him because they may not get the kill. I've watched this bs happen. They fight like they hate their team mates more than the enemy. The fundamentals of team play have been washed away by the solo merc mentality. Low isk payout, bad matchmaking, and incompetency doesn't help. Some of these players make me wonder if they're this backwards in real life. I've even attempted to use the ever so useless team chat. Screamed in it, typed in it, but all for nothing. I just wanna know why they don't carry equipment? No links, no ammo, no scanners, but that rep tool gets major play lol! Then people complain about tankers with equipment?! You wouldn't have any links in some matches if i didn't jump out, kill a guy, drop a link, and fight the tank off you! What I don't understand is guys like Thor are almost never on my team even "accidentally". You mean to tell me the matchmaker can put me against 6 Nyain san or a full q sync of two PC team squads 12 deep, but I can't get another competent player unless I bring em? I've been in matches that were utter landslides, but this matchmaker never puts me on teams with FA, third rock, or other strong players? It seems I'm doomed to carry academy graduates into quitting the game?! The phrase "team carry" has become a household phrase. Need a back brace when carrying the team I've been doing it so long. I've even wrote to Saxonmish on one of his vids saying that one day the matchmaker will bless us to be on the same team so he has some F*CKING help when he loses a dom after going 55/7 while his entire team goes f*cking negative, and loses the match?! If he's fresh out of the academy he's basically cannon fodder while we get crushed for not having team mates. The reason why you guys are never put on strong teams is SIMPLE. Anyone decent knows they must squad up to succeed. So (Insert Corp Here) forms a squad and heads in. Well, our Mu is crazy right now. So we normally get a lot of newberries. This means that if you are in the same que as us, anyone DECENT will be put on the other side. And most are solo players. 6 Strong Players together will always stomp a team of 8 or so decent players who don't link up. The solution to this? SQUAD UP.
I'm actually in squad about 95% of the time. That's not the issue. The problem is the other 10 are sh*t! Sometimes I do play solo. I follow blueberry players around, and watch them bumble smh?!
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JUDASisMYhomeboy
xCosmic Voidx
353
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Posted - 2015.02.04 09:34:00 -
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I only need to look at the teams at the beginning of the game. Its already been decided. I drop uplinks so i can farm my blueberries as the enemy farms them and because of Neverending scans, they take out the uplinks so i can't even have that. You wonder why some people don't fight? Sometimes its pointless. Id like it if when there is an obvious stomp thats going to happen all the blueberries just hide deep in the redline and do nothing to make it the longest most boring game ever.
"In a world gone mad,only a lunatic is truly insane"
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Hansei Kaizen
The Jackson Five
326
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Posted - 2015.02.04 09:54:00 -
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Very simple causes:
1) If you see you have no chance, you don't throw yourself into the meatgrinder for no gain.
2) If you have the hope to be on par some day with enough SP and Proto, you will farm to that goal.
Combine the two and you have AFK farmers.
Dust Noobs live off that hope. If they wouldnt have it, they wouldnt play at all. Instead they play this horrid travesty of a tactic. When I started out I would go full sniper for about 5 Mio SP. So I know the mindset. But its really a stupid experience. Now with my 30 Mio SP and Proto power (and some flexibility within proto power) I can compete somewhat and contribute to a victory. As a noob that is close to impossible.
The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always.
NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+
Casual solo
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
1510
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Posted - 2015.02.04 11:18:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I'm beyond fed up.
I'll never understand why droves of people turn on the game, enter matches, but refuse to play.
You know the answer you just don't like it. Protostomping and full squads ruin any chance of an even match so it is almost always funner to just wait a mismatch out than keep beating your head against the wall and lose tons of ISK.
Because, that's why.
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
1510
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Posted - 2015.02.04 11:22:00 -
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And yes, I sometimes squad up and then I just become a stomper and am part of the problem.
Because, that's why.
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance
417
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Posted - 2015.02.04 11:25:00 -
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You kidding? I love 4-5 matches in a row, looking around and wondering where in Gods name all the blueberries are.
Look on the over head map... And they are no where to be seen ;~;
Actually had one match, had to call in a dropship and scrape SEVEN blueberries, all sniping, off atower to get them in the game o:< .... It was like using a butter knife to scrape off excess from toast :3
G.L.O.R.Y Soldier,
I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3
-Heavy/Logi/Assault/Scout-
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Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention
608
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Posted - 2015.02.04 16:54:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:You kidding? I love 4-5 matches in a row, looking around and wondering where in Gods name all the blueberries are.
Look on the over head map... And they are no where to be seen ;~;
Actually had one match, had to call in a dropship and scrape SEVEN blueberries, all sniping, off atower to get them in the game o:< .... It was like using a butter knife to scrape off excess from toast :3 i like that
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Onesimus Tarsus
is-a-Corporation
2935
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Posted - 2015.02.04 17:00:00 -
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Grease Spillett wrote:Remove KD and people will stop that. KDR matchmaking removes KDR. Straight up.
KDR matchmaking would patch all the patches into pure patchitudity.
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DRAGON11213 STEEL
Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance
1
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Posted - 2015.02.04 17:03:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Duke Noobiam wrote:I know the team channel can suck as immature players like to spam it with beat boxing, singing, screaming, and general attention getting behavior. I don't want to derail this thread, so no need to reply to this post, but I once had a squeaker tell me that he was going to sexually assault me with a McDonald's hamburger. I could not stop laughing for the rest of the match. It was very distracting. Omg lol im sick but this made me laugh so hard lol. i cant stop laughing/coughing xd |
SgtMajSquish MLBJ
Consolidated Dust
320
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Posted - 2015.02.04 17:19:00 -
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When I see that the 'grapes' are falling on their face, I grab a free/cheap uplink scout and try and guide them with decent uplink placement
Rise and shine CCP. It's time to implement ping based match making.
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DRAGON11213 STEEL
Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance
1
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Posted - 2015.02.04 17:32:00 -
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I think we have all forgotten what its like to be a n ew player in dust |
Vesta Opalus
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance
382
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Posted - 2015.02.04 18:01:00 -
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Grease Spillett wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Grease Spillett wrote:Remove KD and people will stop that. I don't think the people causing the biggest issues give two ***** about their KD. They just aren't fighting. One of my matches this morning there was a sniper named Slipshot. Finished the match 2-0 with less than 200 WP. Or the other 12 solo players that died 4 or 5 times and just stopped. With 80% shields remaining the match was over. I had a match when I went in with a squad of three. we had 13 friendly snipers. I believe this is K/d related people are scared to be judged by a lack of performance in this stat.
I don't think its about k/d whores.
I think its about fun.
Games are supposed to be fun. When a game is basically a 6v1 at all times because your teamates are getting cut down immediately upon spawning, it ceases to be fun. When games cease to be fun most people stop playing them. |
Vesta Opalus
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance
382
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Posted - 2015.02.04 18:04:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Grease Spillett wrote:Remove KD and people will stop that. KDR matchmaking removes KDR. Straight up.
KDR matchmaking does not work in a game where some roles have dramatically higher K/D ratios than others in a competitive environment.
If you take KDR matchmaking to its inevitable conclusion you will have the high KDR games filled with snipers and vehicle users and low KDR games filled with logis, hack suit minmitar scouts, and ****** heavies. |
Vesta Opalus
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance
382
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Posted - 2015.02.04 18:07:00 -
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hold that wrote:People still talking about proto stompers lmao I bet you play street fighter and say no throwing hadoukens
"STREET FIGHTER WOULD STILL BE FUN IF THE OTHER PLAYER HAD 3X MY HEALTH AND ALL HIS ATTACKS DID 20-30% MORE DAMAGE XD"
I love how people still insist that running proto gear isnt a huge advantage. It lets me know who the disingenuous assholes or thoughtless morons are without even talking with them at all. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
5964
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Posted - 2015.02.04 18:22:00 -
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Maybe a notification after each 1-12 match that says, " you suck, squad up"
????
I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
5967
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Posted - 2015.02.04 18:55:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:hold that wrote:People still talking about proto stompers lmao I bet you play street fighter and say no throwing hadoukens "STREET FIGHTER WOULD STILL BE FUN IF THE OTHER PLAYER HAD 3X MY HEALTH AND ALL HIS ATTACKS DID 20-30% MORE DAMAGE XD" I love how people still insist that running proto gear isnt a huge advantage. It lets me know who the disingenuous assholes or thoughtless morons are without even talking with them at all.
It's not the proto though. It wouldn't matter if the good players were in STD. They are squaded up and working together vs a bunch of solo players. Some of these guys that whine about proto were doing it a year ago. Did CCP pause their SP accumulation? They should have proto by now as well as the passive skills to compete.
You see it in the kill feed, there are plenty of people that have obviously dropped money on boosters and other AUR stuff.
1. For years it's been more profitable to play passive instead of pushing for a win. 2. Corporate taxes have led many people to forgo corporations for playing passively in pubs. 3. Scout meta for the longest time allowed for people to have great success without needing a squad. 4. People playing passively while others have developed and honed their skills to become better.
There are a lot of factors that have led to this solo/passive play that plagues pub matches. Blaming proto is the easy way out.
If the PC proto squads were facing squads of players in ADV gear or better matches would be vastly more balanced than they are now.
I'm selling Templar Codes. 2 of 5 remaining. 225 mil ISK. Message me in game.
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Hansei Kaizen
The Jackson Five
331
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Posted - 2015.02.05 08:45:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:hold that wrote:People still talking about proto stompers lmao I bet you play street fighter and say no throwing hadoukens "STREET FIGHTER WOULD STILL BE FUN IF THE OTHER PLAYER HAD 3X MY HEALTH AND ALL HIS ATTACKS DID 20-30% MORE DAMAGE XD" I love how people still insist that running proto gear isnt a huge advantage. It lets me know who the disingenuous assholes or thoughtless morons are without even talking with them at all. It's not the proto though. It wouldn't matter if the good players were in STD. They are squaded up and working together vs a bunch of solo players. Some of these guys that whine about proto were doing it a year ago. Did CCP pause their SP accumulation? They should have proto by now as well as the passive skills to compete. You see it in the kill feed, there are plenty of people that have obviously dropped money on boosters and other AUR stuff. 1. For years it's been more profitable to play passive instead of pushing for a win. 2. Corporate taxes have led many people to forgo corporations for playing passively in pubs. 3. Scout meta for the longest time allowed for people to have great success without needing a squad. 4. People playing passively while others have developed and honed their skills to become better. There are a lot of factors that have led to this solo/passive play that plagues pub matches. Blaming proto is the easy way out. If the PC proto squads were facing squads of players in ADV gear or better matches would be vastly more balanced than they are now.
Define "Passive Play". I mean I run Solo almost exclusively, because I dont have time to wait for squads. I log in, play 1-2 rounds ASAP and am out again. 35 minutes to 1 hour per day. Because life. So theres my excuse for this.
But playing "Passive", if not actually AFKing (AFKing sucks), seems pretty OK for me. If you see you are in a stomp, you know you wont accomplish anything in the direction of victory. Real armies do this: "orderly retreat". Since this is impossible if you want to stay in battle you have to find other ways to occupy yourself. You dont want to AFK you know. So what are the only things you can do? Snipe long range with whatever you have on hand. Scout and Ninja-Hack stuff, place uplinks where unexpected by the enemy (and hope someone is stupid enough to spawn on them).
In the end it makes 0 sense to stay in battle, if you can NOT A) win the battle, B) make some WP, C) make some kills, D) get some ISK &/or SP to develop their character (or E: **** around for fun, but that doesnt count here). AFKers see they cant do any of the first and resort to D and D only.
Just repeatedly throw your dead body at the enemy, just to give them kills? That doesnt feel good, it isnt fun, its a waste of ISK. Well saying that I ran some matches, throwing my APEX heavy at the superior opposition. But it didnt cost me anything and I could get some WP/Kills out of it. Had to do it though CEO Pyrex and Friends played "passively" in that match and I wanted to compensate for it
The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always.
NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+
Casual solo
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Starlight Burner
ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance
106
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Posted - 2015.02.05 09:18:00 -
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The reasons why people still don't play are the same reasons as before.
When I don't play a match, it's because the other team is stacked and my team is complete sh*t blueberries.
I, just like anyone else, do not want to play a game to get farmed in. There's no fun when your team is getting destroyed or when your back hurts so much from carrying the team.
That's one of the main reasons people will not play a match.
Thank god for CCP Rattati!!
Rogue Relics is my home away from home.
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xavier zor
Rogue Instincts
547
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Posted - 2015.02.05 09:20:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Grease Spillett wrote:Remove KD and people will stop that. KDR matchmaking removes KDR. Straight up.
worst idea ever EVER
edit: Reasons; The playerbase is to small, and the hilarious matches people would be placed in.
Full sniper matches where 10+ people are redline snipers Another version of battle academy where everyone's KD is below .3 A game where the KD of everyone is 1, fun fits everywhere A last game where people's KD is 10 and nobody will be the first to push the point in fear of dying
looking for PC corporation
also looking for lonely heavies to knife >:)
heavies looking for me
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
4247
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Posted - 2015.02.05 10:35:00 -
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xavier zor wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Grease Spillett wrote:Remove KD and people will stop that. KDR matchmaking removes KDR. Straight up. worst idea ever EVER edit: Reasons; The playerbase is to small, and the hilarious matches people would be placed in. Full sniper matches where 10+ people are redline snipers Another version of battle academy where everyone's KD is below .3 A game where the KD of everyone is 1, fun fits everywhere A last game where people's KD is 10 and nobody will be the first to push the point in fear of dying Don't see the problem here; the redline snipers would come out, because they're often there cos they get stomped otherwise. The Battle Academy Redux would get these people some much-needed practise. KD of 1 is where everyone would be if matchmaking was good (with a statistical curve, obviously, but it ought to be around 1)
and the KD 10 matches... well, we'd soon see who earned that KD.
Well, here goes nothing!!!
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Vesta Opalus
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance
389
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Posted - 2015.02.05 18:34:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:hold that wrote:People still talking about proto stompers lmao I bet you play street fighter and say no throwing hadoukens "STREET FIGHTER WOULD STILL BE FUN IF THE OTHER PLAYER HAD 3X MY HEALTH AND ALL HIS ATTACKS DID 20-30% MORE DAMAGE XD" I love how people still insist that running proto gear isnt a huge advantage. It lets me know who the disingenuous assholes or thoughtless morons are without even talking with them at all. It's not the proto though. It wouldn't matter if the good players were in STD. They are squaded up and working together vs a bunch of solo players. Some of these guys that whine about proto were doing it a year ago. Did CCP pause their SP accumulation? They should have proto by now as well as the passive skills to compete. You see it in the kill feed, there are plenty of people that have obviously dropped money on boosters and other AUR stuff. 1. For years it's been more profitable to play passive instead of pushing for a win. 2. Corporate taxes have led many people to forgo corporations for playing passively in pubs. 3. Scout meta for the longest time allowed for people to have great success without needing a squad. 4. People playing passively while others have developed and honed their skills to become better. There are a lot of factors that have led to this solo/passive play that plagues pub matches. Blaming proto is the easy way out. If the PC proto squads were facing squads of players in ADV gear or better matches would be vastly more balanced than they are now.
Im not saying proto is at fault or even that prototype gear is a bad thing at all. My post was solely in reply to the implication that people running proto has no effect on the battle or that new players should be expected to just grin and bear it when they are put up against a shitload of proto stompers in a squad.
I run prototype gear almost constantly these days, but at the same time Im not one of these people who likes to pretend that proto gear doesnt matter or that new players who only have access to STD gear should even be matched up against players who can use prototype stuff when they hardly know what they are doing and everything is massively tilted against them in the first place. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.05 18:52:00 -
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I understand where you are coming from.
Proto is better and proto squads working together can be devastating. My point is that you can't expect a bunch of randoms to compete with that running solo. They can't compete with any group that's working together in a skirmish setting.
I want to see development that encourages squad play. That gives incentive for players to join corps, squad up, and work together to become the hunters instead of the hunted. It shouldn't solely be on the individual player to seek out those opportunities. Some people don't even know that's what they want because it hasn't been presented to them.
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TaaSr GunZ
Dark Republic Academy
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Posted - 2015.02.06 22:18:00 -
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I'm new, but I fight, or more acurately, I'm an active bullet-sponge.
If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck...
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octavian x
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.06 22:32:00 -
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TaaSr GunZ wrote:I'm new, but I fight, or more acurately, I'm an active bullet-sponge.
hoot hoot |
Devilish Killzone
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.02.06 22:50:00 -
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Union118 wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I'm beyond fed up.
I'll never understand why droves of people turn on the game, enter matches, but refuse to play. Because noone wants to get stomped. Its all the proto stompers fault. They have no gun game, they all trash players, they all have no respect. Yes, it's my fault for running the best gear that I had to work for in pubs and being able to afford it. I didn't put 2,500,000 skill points into my Caldari or Amarr assault so I could watch the Proto variants collect "DUST" unless there is a PC. If you don't like the fact that people run proto and you keep getting #reKt because of it, maybe you should proto up too.
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xavier zor
Rogue Instincts
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Posted - 2015.02.06 22:59:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I understand where you are coming from.
Proto is better and proto squads working together can be devastating. My point is that you can't expect a bunch of randoms to compete with that running solo. They can't compete with any group that's working together in a skirmish setting.
I want to see development that encourages squad play. That gives incentive for players to join corps, squad up, and work together to become the hunters instead of the hunted. It shouldn't solely be on the individual player to seek out those opportunities. Some people don't even know that's what they want because it hasn't been presented to them.
i dis agree. In a skirmish blues may be able to hold a point. i can hold a point on my own for a few minutes before moving onto another
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heavies looking for me
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