"Stolen from" How can player trading allow me to enter a player's warbarge and steal his gear? That's pretty awesome. Why wasn't this in the patch notes?!

He means people being scamed. I think a full trade and sale system is hindered by development limitations. Having a simple "send to" trade system is a step forward. I have a few BPO c-1 i could gift a new player, or some proto gear i haven't specced into.

He means people being scamed. I think a full trade and sale system is hindered by development limitations. Having a simple "send to" trade system is a step forward. I have a few BPO c-1 i could gift a new player, or some proto gear i havent specced into.

What happens when GMs are getting flooded by newbies trying to get their money or stuff back?

What happens when newbies quit and never have a chance to spend money because the ISK they spent all day grinding to get is all lost because of this lack of ability to make a simple mechanic work as it should?

Most Eve Online GMs have a cookie-cutter "Welcome to New Eden" response. I imagine that is what the player will get. Saves a lot of GM labor hours.

They learn a very valuable lesson about trusting someone on the internet: don't. And that lesson only cost them some internet space-monies. Pretty good deal actually.

There are no new players. Just kids remaking characters.

At the end of the day we all pay for that. Without new players spending money cash grabs are going to get old to the point that people stop feeding them and what happens to Dust then?

I am not saying that simple trading is going to kill Dust, I am saying that this pattern has led to lost revenues, lost players, and a worse over all experience for everyone and needs to change. The only lessons that are going to be leaned in the long run is by CCP for not being willing to spend a few extra man hours to do something right and by us for following along with a company that had not learned that lesson.

Maybe if CCP had thought more about NPE in Eve it would not have taken them so many years to make Eve actually popular.

Deezy, I get what you are saying. New Eden's stance on scamming could potentially turn a lot of new players off. You aren't wrong there.

What I'm saying is that in the benefit vs. risk calculation, the addition of this feature will be more of a boon than it will be a bane.

You don't know how many times I wish I could have handed a new guy some stuff I had in my assets. Handing them ISK works, but why do that when I actually have the gear on hand, you know? Plus, imagine how cool it will be to a new player if I run a corp contest and they win a set of BPOs or something? I'm working on such a contest in my corp right now.

Someone is going to get scammed, yes. It will kind of suck for them, yes.

But for every one guy who gets scammed, three will get some cool gear or BPOs that will make them enjoy Dust more.

I totally agree that it would be better to have it sooner than later. I am only arguing that somewhere along the line this pattern of slapping things together with no regard for the destruction it is going to do to NPE has to get broken or the life time of this game is very limited.

Why not take this simple feature and use it as a time to do that?

Homie, the time this game has is already limited I don't know when it's going to happen, but we are eventually going to make the jump to PC or (less likely) PS4. But I digress...

CCP Rattati seems to be pretty willing to iterate on existing features within reasonable constraints, of course. There isn't anything saying this 'Simple Player Trading' can't become a 'Player Trading - Contracts' later in Warlords 1.2 - 1.4.

Until then, be a part of the solution: educate your new players about scamming and how it is almost completely allowed in New Eden.

Keeping the AUR, though.

Saying you are going to send ISK after they send an item and then just disappearing is stealing that players stuff as far as I am concerned. Others may see it different but the simple fact is a simple send to option stands to create a lot of problems for new players and a lot of problems for CCP.

What happens when GMs are getting flooded by newbies trying to get their money or stuff back?

What happens when newbies quit and never have a chance to spend money because the ISK they spent all day grinding to get is all lost because of this lack of ability to make a simple mechanic work as it should?


As long as CCP keeps making this place totally inhospitable for newbies we will just see the cash grabs get worse until the game dies. How many newbies do you think left the game because of the broken mechanic that allowed Duna and others to farm them with nothing they could do about it?




The solution is so simple its ignorant that they do not take the time to do it.

Player A selects an item and hits create contract. He/She then selects the number of that item to include. They then select a requested amount and the contract is set.

Once a player has a contract they can select any player and hit share contract.

Player B receives the notification and can then accept the contract.

The item is moved to their inventory and the ISK is removed from their wallet. If they do not have the funds then they can not accept the contract.