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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2015.02.02 15:04:00 -
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"Stolen from" How can player trading allow me to enter a player's warbarge and steal his gear? That's pretty awesome. Why wasn't this in the patch notes?!
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2015.02.02 15:19:00 -
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danie braz wrote:He means people being scamed. I think a full trade and sale system is hindered by development limitations. Having a simple "send to" trade system is a step forward. I have a few BPO c-1 i could gift a new player, or some proto gear i haven't specced into. I know  I was just being a smartass.
You raise a very valid point though. I have some BPOs that I haven't used in a long time. I would happily gift those to a new corpmate who just started playing Dust. That's actually a positive effect on our NPE.
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Posted - 2015.02.02 15:31:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:What happens when GMs are getting flooded by newbies trying to get their money or stuff back? Most Eve Online GMs have a cookie-cutter "Welcome to New Eden" response. I imagine that is what the player will get. Saves a lot of GM labor hours.
deezy dabest wrote:What happens when newbies quit and never have a chance to spend money because the ISK they spent all day grinding to get is all lost because of this lack of ability to make a simple mechanic work as it should? They learn a very valuable lesson about trusting someone on the internet: don't. And that lesson only cost them some internet space-monies. Pretty good deal actually.
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2015.02.02 15:43:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:At the end of the day we all pay for that. Without new players spending money cash grabs are going to get old to the point that people stop feeding them and what happens to Dust then?
I am not saying that simple trading is going to kill Dust, I am saying that this pattern has led to lost revenues, lost players, and a worse over all experience for everyone and needs to change. The only lessons that are going to be leaned in the long run is by CCP for not being willing to spend a few extra man hours to do something right and by us for following along with a company that had not learned that lesson.
Maybe if CCP had thought more about NPE in Eve it would not have taken them so many years to make Eve actually popular.
Deezy, I get what you are saying. New Eden's stance on scamming could potentially turn a lot of new players off. You aren't wrong there.
What I'm saying is that in the benefit vs. risk calculation, the addition of this feature will be more of a boon than it will be a bane.
You don't know how many times I wish I could have handed a new guy some stuff I had in my assets. Handing them ISK works, but why do that when I actually have the gear on hand, you know? Plus, imagine how cool it will be to a new player if I run a corp contest and they win a set of BPOs or something? I'm working on such a contest in my corp right now.
Someone is going to get scammed, yes. It will kind of suck for them, yes.
But for every one guy who gets scammed, three will get some cool gear or BPOs that will make them enjoy Dust more.
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Posted - 2015.02.02 15:52:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:I totally agree that it would be better to have it sooner than later. I am only arguing that somewhere along the line this pattern of slapping things together with no regard for the destruction it is going to do to NPE has to get broken or the life time of this game is very limited.
Why not take this simple feature and use it as a time to do that? Homie, the time this game has is already limited I don't know when it's going to happen, but we are eventually going to make the jump to PC or (less likely) PS4. But I digress...
CCP Rattati seems to be pretty willing to iterate on existing features within reasonable constraints, of course. There isn't anything saying this 'Simple Player Trading' can't become a 'Player Trading - Contracts' later in Warlords 1.2 - 1.4.
Until then, be a part of the solution: educate your new players about scamming and how it is almost completely allowed in New Eden.
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Posted - 2015.02.02 16:34:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Keeping the AUR, though. You cad!
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