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SmokinRoses420
Bra's and Boxer's
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Posted - 2015.02.02 10:27:00 -
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I would really like a confirmation from CCP that Dust514 is in fact will be moving to PS4 and PC soon. Because so many people are spreading it around saying that it is moving to these two platforms and they will be stopping the updates for PS3.
Hate to say it, but until I get a confirmation from CCP themselves, I won't be buying any AUR's or any products from you guys till then.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
2021
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Posted - 2015.02.02 10:29:00 -
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SmokinRoses420 wrote:I would really like a confirmation from CCP that Dust514 is in fact will be moving to PS4 and PC soon. Because so many people are spreading it around saying that it is moving to these two platforms and they will be stopping the updates for PS3. Hate to say it, but until I get a confirmation from CCP themselves, I won't be buying any AUR's or any products from you guys till then. SmokinRoses420 o7
those roses must be some strong ****. |
Pseudogenesis
Nos Nothi
1516
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Posted - 2015.02.02 11:07:00 -
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Agreed. I REALLY want to give the current Dust dev team my money but until we get even the tiniest sliver of information about legion I'm not gonna spend a dime.
Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
2022
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Posted - 2015.02.02 11:24:00 -
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Pseudogenesis wrote:Agreed. I REALLY want to give the current Dust dev team my money but until we get even the tiniest sliver of information about legion I'm not gonna spend a dime.
You realize until there is a playable beta that they can make money off of nothing is going to be said about Legion right?
Saying Legion is at X stage in production will only revitalize the Dust is dead argument and take a fat dump on all the work they have done restoring faith to feed all these shiny new cash grabs.
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bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1390
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Posted - 2015.02.02 12:27:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Pseudogenesis wrote:Agreed. I REALLY want to give the current Dust dev team my money but until we get even the tiniest sliver of information about legion I'm not gonna spend a dime. You realize until there is a playable beta that they can make money off of nothing is going to be said about Legion right? Saying Legion is at X stage in production will only revitalize the Dust is dead argument and take a fat dump on all the work they have done restoring faith to feed all these shiny new cash grabs.
I agree with this but can you imagine the image CCP will have if they're truly using Dusts end of life to help fund Legion ? (With no transparency) When that time comes if Legion is for PC only all these road maps and current optimistic Dust fans will be irate knowing all the money they have spent has been for nothing.. (although it's their own fault) CCP will still be burning a lot of bridged and possible Legion customers. ..
IMO transparency would be the best ie "We're still supporting Dust till there is no one else around to support it but Legion PC is our main focus.. Here is what we are doing with Legion, your character will be transferable etc etc" We hope to see you there..
Some will stop spending money but a large group that hasn't spent money on Dust because of lack of transparency, myself included. Would start spending money again pretty sure it would balance itself out. |
Justicar Karnellia
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
910
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Posted - 2015.02.02 12:34:00 -
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After the public relations fiasco at the last fanfest, I'm guessing they'll say absolutely nothing about EVE legion until it's ready for beta.. until then... saying anything would lead to a mass exodus of whatever player base remains in Dust 514. |
deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
2026
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Posted - 2015.02.02 12:53:00 -
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bolsh lee wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Pseudogenesis wrote:Agreed. I REALLY want to give the current Dust dev team my money but until we get even the tiniest sliver of information about legion I'm not gonna spend a dime. You realize until there is a playable beta that they can make money off of nothing is going to be said about Legion right? Saying Legion is at X stage in production will only revitalize the Dust is dead argument and take a fat dump on all the work they have done restoring faith to feed all these shiny new cash grabs. I agree with this but can you imagine the image CCP will have if they're truly using Dusts end of life to help fund Legion ? (With no transparency) When that time comes if Legion is for PC only all these road maps and current optimistic Dust fans will be irate knowing all the money they have spent has been for nothing.. (although it's their own fault) CCP will still be burning a lot of bridged and possible Legion customers. .. IMO transparency would be the best ie "We're still supporting Dust till there is no one else around to support it but Legion PC is our main focus.. Here is what we are doing with Legion, your character will be transferable etc etc" We hope to see you there.. Some will stop spending money but a large group that hasn't spent money on Dust because of lack of transparency, myself included. Would start spending money again pretty sure it would balance itself out.
They already have millions of followers on PC. Once Legion is ready to the point that they announce it they will have zero need for console gamers.
I disagree with saying that Dust is funding Legion. Dust is giving money to CCP which they spend on whatever they choose to spend it on. CCP makes enough money off of Eve to fund whatever they want to with or without Dust.
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Renolissa
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance
1772
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Posted - 2015.02.02 13:12:00 -
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If CCP conform that Dust514 go to PS4, im continue buying more and more AURum. But now i dont do it, i dont know what hapend this game in the future. |
bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1390
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Posted - 2015.02.02 13:15:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:bolsh lee wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Pseudogenesis wrote:Agreed. I REALLY want to give the current Dust dev team my money but until we get even the tiniest sliver of information about legion I'm not gonna spend a dime. You realize until there is a playable beta that they can make money off of nothing is going to be said about Legion right? Saying Legion is at X stage in production will only revitalize the Dust is dead argument and take a fat dump on all the work they have done restoring faith to feed all these shiny new cash grabs. I agree with this but can you imagine the image CCP will have if they're truly using Dusts end of life to help fund Legion ? (With no transparency) When that time comes if Legion is for PC only all these road maps and current optimistic Dust fans will be irate knowing all the money they have spent has been for nothing.. (although it's their own fault) CCP will still be burning a lot of bridged and possible Legion customers. .. IMO transparency would be the best ie "We're still supporting Dust till there is no one else around to support it but Legion PC is our main focus.. Here is what we are doing with Legion, your character will be transferable etc etc" We hope to see you there.. Some will stop spending money but a large group that hasn't spent money on Dust because of lack of transparency, myself included. Would start spending money again pretty sure it would balance itself out. They already have millions of followers on PC. Once Legion is ready to the point that they announce it they will have zero need for console gamers. I disagree with saying that Dust is funding Legion. Dust is giving money to CCP which they spend on whatever they choose to spend it on. CCP makes enough money off of Eve to fund whatever they want to with or without Dust.
Maybe not funding legion solely but it doesn't hurt.. I don't know about your last statement.. Hilmar flipped **** after the 2013 financial report was released they were spread to thin meaning EVE can't afford to pay everyone's bills.. I know at that time they had WoD and Dust and I believe starting EVE Valkyrie... But if the massive WoD layoffs tell us anything EVE alone can not fund whatever they want.. :-/ |
axis alpha
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
546
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Posted - 2015.02.02 13:20:00 -
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Yeah CCP I get my return tomorrow.... If I buy a ps3 and you port to ps4 IMA be pissed. Though I guess I could buy both. But it'd be nice to know I don't have to buy another ps3.
Also yes I don't want a ps4 for anything other than dust or legion.
I cut you up so bad.... You gonna wish I no cut you up so bad.
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Duke Noobiam
The Dukes of Death
359
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Posted - 2015.02.02 13:27:00 -
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If you want DUST to have a chance of going to the PS4 then you should support it.
This is the only way you can sway their decisions. If Dust earns them money they will continue it in one form or another.
All this lip service stating that I will support it if they do this or if they do that is useless.
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ChribbaX
Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions
1492
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Posted - 2015.02.02 13:35:00 -
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Wiat 1-+ month and see what they have to say about things at FanFest.
/c
DUSTBoard
DUST Server Status
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
2030
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Posted - 2015.02.02 13:35:00 -
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bolsh lee wrote:deezy dabest wrote: They already have millions of followers on PC. Once Legion is ready to the point that they announce it they will have zero need for console gamers.
I disagree with saying that Dust is funding Legion. Dust is giving money to CCP which they spend on whatever they choose to spend it on. CCP makes enough money off of Eve to fund whatever they want to with or without Dust.
Maybe not funding legion solely but it doesn't hurt and I'm sure Rattati is trying to prove something, hopefully he doesn't get put in charge of Legion's payment model... I don't know about your last statement, Hilmar flipped **** after the 2013 financial report was released they were spread to thin meaning EVE can't afford to pay everyone's bills.. I know at that time they had WoD and Dust and I believe starting EVE Valkyrie... But if the massive WoD layoffs tell us anything EVE alone can not fund whatever they want.. :-/
They paid for and staffed an entire studio for many years on WoD only to destroy the whole concept because they were too busy shipping the developers back and forth from Iceland to work on Eve. Maybe if they did not start projects as a holding tank for Eve developers they would not be spread thin.
Dont be fooled by their financials. AUR in Dust and PLEX in Eve is recorded as a liability until it has been used in game. Just the plex sitting unspent in large corporations hangars accounts for a massive sum of money in CCPs bank account to spend on whatever they like. |
deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
2030
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Posted - 2015.02.02 13:37:00 -
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ChribbaX wrote:Wiat 1-+ month and see what they have to say about things at FanFest.
/c
CCP Frame wrote:Hey guys, We are not planning to make any announcements about or show anything new for DUST 514 or Project Legion at Fanfest, but CCP Rattati and CCP Rouge will be on hand to talk to attendees and participate in all the usual activities with everyone such as pub crawls and roundtables.
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bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1392
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Posted - 2015.02.02 13:39:00 -
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ChribbaX wrote:Wiat 1-+ month and see what they have to say about things at FanFest.
/c
Alright Chribba confirmed Legion news at Fanfest.. ;) |
bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1392
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Posted - 2015.02.02 13:43:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:ChribbaX wrote:Wiat 1-+ month and see what they have to say about things at FanFest.
/c CCP Frame wrote:Hey guys, We are not planning to make any announcements about or show anything new for DUST 514 or Project Legion at Fanfest, but CCP Rattati and CCP Rouge will be on hand to talk to attendees and participate in all the usual activities with everyone such as pub crawls and roundtables.
::Tinfoil hat on:: Wasn't Frame hired for Dust maybe Legion is all being handled by EVE Devs and Frame is getting the stiff arm. Could be why a few key Dust developers left last year too ::tinfoil hat off:: |
deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
2033
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Posted - 2015.02.02 13:50:00 -
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bolsh lee wrote: ::Tinfoil hat on:: Wasn't Frame hired for Dust maybe Legion is all being handled by EVE Devs and Frame is getting the stiff arm. Could be why a few key Dust developers left last year too ::tinfoil hat off::
You get a gold star in tinfoil hattery.
Only the thickest of tinfoil hats would allow this to even be considered for consideration. |
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ChribbaX
Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions
1494
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Posted - 2015.02.02 13:54:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:ChribbaX wrote:Wiat 1-+ month and see what they have to say about things at FanFest.
/c CCP Frame wrote:Hey guys, We are not planning to make any announcements about or show anything new for DUST 514 or Project Legion at Fanfest, but CCP Rattati and CCP Rouge will be on hand to talk to attendees and participate in all the usual activities with everyone such as pub crawls and roundtables. Then it's confirmed already
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bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1392
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Posted - 2015.02.02 13:55:00 -
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Duke Noobiam wrote:If you want DUST to have a chance of going to the PS4 then you should support it.
This is the only way you can sway their decisions. If Dust earns them money they will continue it in one form or another.
All this lip service stating that I will support it if they do this or if they do that is useless. Execs over ar CCP are not reading your forum posts, they are looking at the amount of revenue the game generates.
That's not how the video game industry works for consumers anymore. Gamers continue to get screwed over every year because they support a product with cash and DLC.. Just for the company to release the same **** product 6 months later, re-skinned and with a fresh paint of hype.. Or a product that pushes out expansions with little vision or transparency only to close it's doors a few years later..
Neither of these were CCP'S vision two years ago. This is the time when the majority of us were blindly spending money on a 10yr plan. Since we've seen what it's become recently we resort to lip service..
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
3362
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Posted - 2015.02.02 14:02:00 -
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I Don't ever see DUST 514 coming to PC.... Would make no sense.
I Would see it going PS4.
IF Legion comes i don't ever see it being ported to the PS4. Would make no sense...
We will end up seeing Legion operating sorta like a major expansion to EVE..... EVE needs it if it hopes to survive the next 5 years..
But it would be impossible to have a feature like that for EVE... and have to relay on PSN to update your users clients for a bug/glitch problem or something else...
Patching game clients through a 3rd party service makes Developing on the Console and PC and combining populations... Almost impossible, unless you are completely catered around the console, and PC is an after thought.
The main reason DUST 514 exists.... Has nothing to do with it being a FPS game or anything like that....
There are tons of gamers who like EVE and the concept.. And even the stories they hear from there.. But have never connected to the game itself.. Don't have the time to enjoy a casual experience in the game...
So CCP Wanted to create a f2p game that everyone can approach that brings them into and exposes the New Eden Galaxy..
Legion and Valkyrie could never fulfill those goals... For this reason alone.. DUST 514 isn't going anywhere and we will see it move to the PS4 when there is enough of a market to justify it. |
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
2465
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Posted - 2015.02.02 14:17:00 -
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Duke Noobiam wrote:If you want DUST to have a chance of going to the PS4 then you should support it.
This is the only way you can sway their decisions. If Dust earns them money they will continue it in one form or another.
All this lip service stating that I will support it if they do this or if they do that is useless. Execs over ar CCP are not reading your forum posts, they are looking at the amount of revenue the game generates. I stopped spending anything on DUST at fanfest.
Execs reading posts or not, i'm absolutely not investing anything in a company that treats their customers like so much kittenshit.
Given CCP's past behavior re: DUST/PS3, any player who gives CCP money at this stage is acting out of ignorance or altruism. CCP certainly hasn't earned it imo.
As for convincing the execs, a few moments of reflection leads one to recall that way back at the beginning of this adventure, the entire gaming industry and a hella lotta eager players gave CCP miles of rope, which they then proceeded to hang themselves with.
The failure wasn't the market's, or the players', or the press, or the PS3's or Sony's. The failure was 100% CCP's execution, prioritization, communication. Currently, barring Rattai's fairly unusual field promotion, there is little to no evidence that anything has changed at CCP re DUST/Legion.
The silence speaks volumes.
PSN: RationalSpark
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
2036
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Posted - 2015.02.02 14:32:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:Duke Noobiam wrote:If you want DUST to have a chance of going to the PS4 then you should support it.
This is the only way you can sway their decisions. If Dust earns them money they will continue it in one form or another.
All this lip service stating that I will support it if they do this or if they do that is useless. Execs over ar CCP are not reading your forum posts, they are looking at the amount of revenue the game generates. I stopped spending anything on DUST at fanfest. Execs reading posts or not, i'm absolutely not investing anything in a company that treats their customers like so much kittenshit. Given CCP's past behavior re: DUST/PS3, any player who gives CCP money at this stage is acting out of ignorance or altruism. CCP certainly hasn't earned it imo. As for convincing the execs, a few moments of reflection leads one to recall that way back at the beginning of this adventure, the entire gaming industry and a hella lotta eager players gave CCP miles of rope, which they then proceeded to hang themselves with. The failure wasn't the market's, or the players', or the press, or the PS3's or Sony's. The failure was 100% CCP's execution, prioritization, communication. Currently, barring Rattai's fairly unusual field promotion, there is little to no evidence that anything has changed at CCP re DUST/Legion. The silence speaks volumes.
I think you forgot about......
nope you covered it. |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
2006
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Posted - 2015.02.02 14:38:00 -
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we wont see a playable version of legion for atleast a year anyway |
SmokinRoses420
Bra's and Boxer's
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Posted - 2015.02.02 22:04:00 -
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Agree with most of your comments. But for me, I've been playing many amazing games that say, "They'll never shut down!" then the next day, boom...they closed their doors and stole my money. For example, PlayStation Home, that virtual world was amazing and awesome, and was a lot of fun. Even with all the rumors from a year of playing it, many players were saying it was closing and such, but yet it never did, Sony/PSH claimed that they weren't planning on closing their doors anytime soon. So I continued to spend my money in that game, and see what happens? They're closing their doors stealing my money. I'm literally getting tired of supporting games that just basically stab me in the back in return. So knowing an official response, would be fantastic. But even then it makes me wonder if it's going to actually pan out to work through many years.
Another thing, I don't want to support it going into only PS4-PC because, that means a lot more money going down the drain to buy a PS4, in which I've heard has many bugs in it. And many returned consoles because of these bugs. It's sad that the PS3 isn't very old yet, and the PS4 just came out barely a year ago. And yet, the PS3 seems to be dead since the news of PlayStation Home closing it's doors in March.
For me, I would rather more virtual world game stick with PS3 for awhile.. It would be nice. Or even have a platform made for a combined gameplay experience. Basically like Dust514 made for all PS3 and PS4 gameplay, where you can play together on both consoles. It shouldn't be that hard considering the game platform is already made.. (Aka- Eve *computer base* and Dust514 *PS3 base* it's do-able!) I've seen a lot of successful games-virtual worlds do that, and they became high class legends. It will hit many target customers when advertising their games. Since not a lot of customers can afford a PS4...since it's brand new at the moment.
But any who....Just putting my two cents out there. :P |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
3097
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Posted - 2015.02.02 22:08:00 -
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With the lack of direction coming from CCP, I would assume that Dust is a dead end and I would just enjoy it while it lasts.
That way, if anything comes of Legion, you'll be surprised -- rather than butthurt if it doesn't happen. |
SmokinRoses420
Bra's and Boxer's
14
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Posted - 2015.02.02 22:55:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:With the lack of direction coming from CCP, I would assume that Dust is a dead end and I would just enjoy it while it lasts. That way, if anything comes of Legion, you'll be happily surprised...rather than butthurt if it doesn't happen.
Another thing that helps is to support a game for what it's already given you -- entertainment at a very cheap rate, compartively, to other hobbies -- rather than something that it might become. Plans have a way of going off the track and not materializing, and people tend to become angry if they place too much hope on "plans" and interpret them as "promises".
All of the above said, the silence from CCP is perhaps the most dismaying....and I suspect what's making many hold back from supporting Dust even more with their wallets.
Very true, I see your point there! |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
3071
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Posted - 2015.02.02 22:56:00 -
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SmokinRoses420 wrote:I would really like a confirmation from CCP that Dust514 is in fact will be moving to PS4 and PC soon. Because so many people are spreading it around saying that it is moving to these two platforms and they will be stopping the updates for PS3.
You started this rumor, just admit it.
"You see those red dots over there?
Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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Nirwanda Vaughns
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Posted - 2015.02.02 23:51:00 -
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To save any arguements....
3) Is Project Legion going to have a PS4 version? Or something for consoles?
It is still far too early to discuss platform expansion, as like you saw we are still only working on the PC prototype at this time. But the PC architecture gives us the opportunity to grow once we have a great PC product at hand. For now, though, PlayStation 4 is not something we are working on.
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Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience
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