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Kaeru Nayiri
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Posted - 2015.02.03 20:43:00 -
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The only thing cloak needs is fixing the sprinting glitch that cancels the switch of equipment. Also the delay from decloaking should be about decloaking, right now you get the delay when changing from cloak to anything whether you were cloaked or not. This is really awful.
No visibility buff needed, no ewar buff needed. Just make it work as intended and the cloak is fine as is. |
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Posted - 2015.02.05 16:37:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:
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How's about you guys go back to the Barbershop or whatever skype channel you crawled out of?
Adipem, Llast, King, Arkena, myself and maybe 3 others were very polite and nice to you and actually EXCITED about your new experiment. I was even more excited about the prospect of gaining another regular. Only -2- people (that may even have been the same person using an alt for all I know) got immature. I honestly hope you didn't ignore everyone else during that :( . |
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Posted - 2015.02.05 16:48:00 -
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Gyn Wallace wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:If these changes are insufficient to make Cloak competitive,... Is there any reason to believe that your predicate is true, that cloaks aren't currently competitive? Only after the nerf am I coming across (i.e. being killed by) what seems like a reasonable proportion of players running cloaked scouts. Any increase in the proportion of players abandoning assaults, heavies, commandos, and logis, would suggest to me that the cloak had become OP again. Few things becoming OP do as much damage to player retention as letting the cloak get OP. OP tanks, ADSs, heavies, all of these things can be countered or avoided more easily than OP cloaked shotgun and RE throwing scouts. Buffing cloaks is absolutely the last thing any dev resources should be spent on. There is no aspect of the game that CCP could spend dev resources on that wouldn't be a better choice than buffing cloaks. The only worse choices would be buffing other things that are already balanced or OP. I'd sooner see HMGs buffed than cloaks. It would do less harm.
Gyn, what Adipem is saying that those 2 issues are the only thing that the cloak needs in order to make us happy. One being the glitch where you can't get off cloak if you started running during the switch, and the other the poor design choice of adding a delay to the switch if you are NOT cloaked at all.
We've seen a sizeable group of scouts abandon the cloak because of how it gets stuck, and I think that's what he means by making it competitive. With that said, many of us continue to use the cloak despite the glitchiness of its operation, myself included.
The cloak DOES NOT need any buffs at this point, just bugs fixed. I am convinced it will be fine after that. It needs to not have a delay to swtch when you aren't cloaked to begin with. |
Kaeru Nayiri
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Posted - 2015.02.06 22:26:00 -
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Gyn Wallace wrote:[quote=gustavo acosta]
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they're so close to being well balanced already, that I lack confidence that CCP is capable of taking a small enough step to buff the shimmer without making cloaks OP again.
I agree with everything you've said Gyn. I also cannot advocate any Dev time on having some way to adjust the shimmer and I definitely do not advocate any ideas of darkening the shimmer. As scouts, we are better off hiding in the light, it's everywhere. Shadows are fewer and checked more often. Even if null cannons are where the action is at, I would still stand by what I said. It's a quirk and a livable one.
With that said:
THEY ABSOLUTELY need to look into fixing the delay when you are NOT cloaked. This is worth developer time. This means 2 very distinct things.
1. Switching weapons and activating sprint during the animation should NOT cancel that animation. This will fix rep tool and needle bugs. You can even re-create this bug switching from main weapon to side arm.
2. The decloak delay should be tied to actually being cloaked. It should have nothing to do whatsoever with the equipment swap delay.
Just to be clear as crystal about my stance on the topic, the cloak needs no buffs. No EWAR improvements, no shimmer improvements, just make it work as it was intended. |
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Posted - 2015.02.06 22:47:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:The cloak user can be seen from a mile away, I mean, I can head shot those guys with a sniper rifle is how easily they are spotted. I'm not asking you to change that but it needs to be re-balanced. It doesn't really offer much for how much it takes away.
Not only does it make all those precision enhancers and range extenders you put on useless, it gives are a really long battle wise delay. 1 second delay is enough for weapons to do 400+ damage and 900+ incase of the HMG.
BUT- since we have no ewar while using cloak, this increases out chances of run face first into an enemy and adding in the stupid delay- we are literally at a disadvantage every single time.
Seriously, you are using the cloak wrong. The cloak is a tool for observation. A scout does not run and gun like an assault does. If you ran into an area, head first into a heavy, it should either be a complete fluke OR you went into a hostile objective. Let the assaults do that. Our job is to cut off reinforcements, stragglers and destroy equipment. The cloak is supposed to help you gain an advantageous position BEFORE you engage the enemy.
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I spent 2.5 million + SP to get my Prototype Caldari Scout and when I cloak up, I lose all my ewar. No wonder no scout uses precision enhancers when running fits with a cloak.
It's not fair!! Give me either one, either give me my ewar back or give me no decloak delay. It is super annoying being blinder than a heavy. Not only does it not make sense that a scout has worse ewar than a heavy, but on top of that, the stupid delay makes life impossible.
The current ewar system is pretty bad for scouts, our range is really low even while decloaked, range extenders are a waste of slot and on top of that, the cloak takes away all the range. I mean, you might aswell use a logistics suit for ewar than a scout because we are now not even scouting. Scouts are the guys that hide and have no clue where the enemy is. This is the role being projected at me when I lost 85% of my range.
Have you seen caldari scouts is PC? They all have 453 shields because since this stupid cloak range nerf, there is not one reason to use a precision enhancer.
This is a problem with KING HP, not with the cloak. EWAR is working well right now, HP mods are still broken very badly.
Quote:Also- Gal logi does a scouts job 5x better. I can literally sit in a corner all match in my dampened gal logi and provide ewar with my 4 scanners TO THE WHOLE TEAM and get WP out of it. What does it scout do?
That Gal logi gets to do absolutely nothing for the match. He doesn't get to kill anything, dies horribly at the first sign of trouble and is otherwise dead weight to his team if he can't multiply their force properly. The difference between a Gal Logi with a full rack of scanners and a scout is versatility. |
Kaeru Nayiri
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Posted - 2015.02.07 00:43:00 -
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tritan abbattere wrote:
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I don't think the cloak needs a buff maybe some changes on how it works. But i think the problem is The scout resorts to HAHA i can kill a full team with a shotgun i bet. Then rages because a logi with shotgun kills him or a sniper pegs him. The scout is very fragile and needs more then stealth to be fun. Could you imagine if scouts focused on setting up traps. example remote Web-nets. Galente scout could get a bonus to this and it basically impairs the enemy movement for few seconds. Amarr could have a thing to make weapons malfunction(makng RoF inconsitent and on averaged lowered). maybe minmatar could get remote hacking equipment. there so much stuff the scouts could have to make the game more interesting. I guess im asking for the recon ships in eve on the ground.
Kinda the main reason i play logi. its the most interesting role in the game. if they add this i would start to try more then minmatar hacking scout.
Some nice ideas in your post, man. You ought to make a new thread in Features and Ideas. Let it get some attention, you never know. |
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