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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.02 03:24:00 -
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Make it so you cannot cook them except for the fluxes.
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Yokal Bob
State of Purgatory
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Posted - 2015.02.02 03:31:00 -
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I do not mind the cooking of grenades, it is a common feature in many games. Whats is needed is some form of indicator showing the grenade. I get killed so many times by invisible core nades that I have no idea where they came from
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
1634
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Posted - 2015.02.02 03:35:00 -
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Yokal Bob wrote:I do not mind the cooking of grenades, it is a common feature in many games. Whats is needed is some form of indicator showing the grenade. I get killed so many times by invisible core nades that I have no idea where they came from
True, but cooking grenades is OP if you think about it. A core locus grenade can do 700+damage in an instant. You ever have that moment where you have a guy beat 100% and you turn a corner and you have full HP and he has like 2 hp and boom a grenade blows up in your face and a Proto bag of sh*t gets away??
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Yokal Bob
State of Purgatory
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Posted - 2015.02.02 03:44:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Yokal Bob wrote:I do not mind the cooking of grenades, it is a common feature in many games. Whats is needed is some form of indicator showing the grenade. I get killed so many times by invisible core nades that I have no idea where they came from True, but cooking grenades is OP if you think about it. A core locus grenade can do 700+damage in an instant. You ever have that moment where you have a guy beat 100% and you turn a corner and you have full HP and he has like 2 hp and boom a grenade blows up in your face and a Proto bag of sh*t gets away??
Yup, it has happened many times. But as much as I dislike being killed by grenade spamming people ie davidcollins, I cannnot think of a logical reason as to why grenades should not be allowed to be cooked
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
1634
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Posted - 2015.02.02 03:52:00 -
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Yokal Bob wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Yokal Bob wrote:I do not mind the cooking of grenades, it is a common feature in many games. Whats is needed is some form of indicator showing the grenade. I get killed so many times by invisible core nades that I have no idea where they came from True, but cooking grenades is OP if you think about it. A core locus grenade can do 700+damage in an instant. You ever have that moment where you have a guy beat 100% and you turn a corner and you have full HP and he has like 2 hp and boom a grenade blows up in your face and a Proto bag of sh*t gets away?? Yup, it has happened many times. But as much as I dislike being killed by grenade spamming people ie davidcollins, I cannnot think of a logical reason as to why grenades should not be allowed to be cooked
Because it has no indicator- because it does massive damage without warning-because every scrub in the history of dust abuses the cooking.
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Mikel Arias
Challengers 506
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Posted - 2015.02.02 04:17:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Yokal Bob wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Yokal Bob wrote:I do not mind the cooking of grenades, it is a common feature in many games. Whats is needed is some form of indicator showing the grenade. I get killed so many times by invisible core nades that I have no idea where they came from True, but cooking grenades is OP if you think about it. A core locus grenade can do 700+damage in an instant. You ever have that moment where you have a guy beat 100% and you turn a corner and you have full HP and he has like 2 hp and boom a grenade blows up in your face and a Proto bag of sh*t gets away?? Yup, it has happened many times. But as much as I dislike being killed by grenade spamming people ie davidcollins, I cannnot think of a logical reason as to why grenades should not be allowed to be cooked Because it has no indicator- because it does massive damage without warning-because every scrub in the history of dust abuses the cooking.
Isn it the same with forge guns or plasma cannons? I mean, the part where they can kill you in one instant and there is no indicator. Same with snipers (a good one who aims to the head). I hate to die because of grenades, but well... its just another weapon...
The bolt pistol... thats another story, but then again... |
Breakin Stuff
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.02.02 05:22:00 -
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Grenade fuse is so long that without cooking a sentinel can trivially waddle out of the blast radius.
Hell no. You want to make a weapon with borderline utility worthless.
Get out.
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THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.02.02 08:03:00 -
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You know you can hear them cooking it around corners right? Awareness is key to not being terrible.
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CooKie NiPPles
PePPer0nI NiPPle Circus
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Posted - 2015.02.02 09:01:00 -
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Agreed that core spamming is annoying but most people dont run core locus anyway |
TheEnd762
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2015.02.02 10:16:00 -
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The fuses are way too long to remove cooking. If I couldn't throw a locus grenade, die, respawn, and then see my own grenade explode (basically), then you might have a case, but until the fuses are shortened to 3 seconds or less, no. |
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BL4CKST4R
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
3538
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Posted - 2015.02.02 11:38:00 -
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When were grenades broken?
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2015.02.02 11:56:00 -
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Yokal Bob wrote:I do not mind the cooking of grenades, it is a common feature in many games. Whats is needed is some form of indicator showing the grenade. I get killed so many times by invisible core nades that I have no idea where they came from
Believe it or not, there IS an indicator. It just doesn't come up all the time like it used to. I think there are certain conditions it goes by now. Not entirely sure what they are, though. |
THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.02.02 12:03:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Yokal Bob wrote:I do not mind the cooking of grenades, it is a common feature in many games. Whats is needed is some form of indicator showing the grenade. I get killed so many times by invisible core nades that I have no idea where they came from Believe it or not, there IS an indicator. It just doesn't come up all the time like it used to. I think there are certain conditions it goes by now. Not entirely sure what they are, though.
This was changed when they "decluttered" the UI by removing names if you're not looking at people.
This was quite awhile ago.
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Vesta Opalus
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
General Tso's Alliance
366
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Posted - 2015.02.02 17:18:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Yokal Bob wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Yokal Bob wrote:I do not mind the cooking of grenades, it is a common feature in many games. Whats is needed is some form of indicator showing the grenade. I get killed so many times by invisible core nades that I have no idea where they came from True, but cooking grenades is OP if you think about it. A core locus grenade can do 700+damage in an instant. You ever have that moment where you have a guy beat 100% and you turn a corner and you have full HP and he has like 2 hp and boom a grenade blows up in your face and a Proto bag of sh*t gets away?? Yup, it has happened many times. But as much as I dislike being killed by grenade spamming people ie davidcollins, I cannnot think of a logical reason as to why grenades should not be allowed to be cooked Because it has no indicator- because it does massive damage without warning-because every scrub in the history of dust abuses the cooking.
You can hear a loud beep when someone begins cooking a grenade (theoretically, assuming dust's sound channels arent bugging out as they sometimes do).
Personally I dont have a problem with cooked grenades, it takes alot of timing/skill (compared to other stuff in the game anyway) to get a grenade off just right to hit someone for sure, and it is a big risk to put down your weapon for ~2-3 seconds to cook it up right. |
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
6301
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Posted - 2015.02.02 17:53:00 -
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The only thing wrong with Locus Grenades is Heavy Resistance.
Shoot scout with yes.
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Megaman Trigger
Ready to Play
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Posted - 2015.02.02 22:50:00 -
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There has been many a time where cooking a grenade has saved my clone; such as being able to take a wounded Proto suit hiding in cover by cooking and throwing a Militia Locus Grenade.
Being able to cook a grenade gives me options that have allowed me to punch above my weight during engagements and taking down Proto fits with lower tier weapons and gear. Removing the ability to cook Locus Grenades would just remove their viability since their current fuse (I believe it's around 4 seconds) is it too long to kill with.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.02.02 22:59:00 -
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Cooking grenades has been a staple in many games for quite some time.
Considering how week most grenades are in game, I really think you are seeing a problem where there isn't one.
Being frustrated by a kill does not mean something is a problem.
I run a 200 to 300 HP suit, and the last time I was killed by a grenade was many many months ago. I only remember because it was a notable event.
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Jason1 Black
FACTION WARFARE ARMY
FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2015.02.08 20:44:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Make it so you cannot cook them except for the fluxes.
Why? horrible, stupid idea. If you have the skill use it. besides grenades are fine, they dont need fixing |
Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.02.09 00:39:00 -
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Make the timer random, so holding it becomes a risk, the proto suicides would be hilarious!! |
tritan abbattere
DBAG CORE
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Posted - 2015.02.09 01:35:00 -
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Derpty Derp wrote:Make the timer random, so holding it becomes a risk, the proto suicides would be hilarious!!
That would be funny but would not make sense in terms of logic. any company in new Eden would test fuses for the nades. Instead of nerfing gernades add a counter; explosive Resistance mod for suits. give 20 percent basic 40 percent proto with stacking penalties. So people that use tactics that get them grenaded a lot could put this on there suit. This would weaken them against most of the infantry weapons as a result because you can't put another armor player/shield extender on. That's a big trade off IMO.
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
664
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Posted - 2015.02.09 01:57:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Make it so you cannot cook them except for the fluxes.
Er...ok that's it. People say OP this and op that.pÇÇPeople keep throwing the word OP (overpowered as it is actually an acronym) without knowing what it actually means!
Over powered can mean:
1. To be uncounterable.
2. To affect so strongly as to make helpless or ineffective; overwhelm.
3. To supply with excessive mechanical power.
4. To be the superior choice in the vast majority of situations.
5. To provide great return for very little work and or skill.
6. To have more strength, force, or effect than (someone or something)
That's 6 distinct definitions there -- none of which have anything to do with the OP or rationale. Saying 'cooking grenades is OP' is akin to saying 'Crouching is OP.' Or 'reloading is OP.'
Edit before any nitpicking occurs:
Sir Dukey wrote:
True, but cooking grenades is OP if you think about it. A core locus grenade can do 700+damage in an instant. You ever have that moment where you have a guy beat 100% and you turn a corner and you have full HP and he has like 2 hp and boom a grenade blows up in your face and a Proto bag of sh*t gets away??
Nothing needs changing. Cooking grenades takes skill, cannot be done constantly, removes the ability to shoot/reload/jump/sprint/throwequipment/DO ANYTHING while cooking, carries the risk of killing the user and or friendlies depending on game mode, and is avoidable! |
Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.02.09 01:58:00 -
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tritan abbattere wrote:
That would be funny but would not make sense in terms of logic. any company in new Eden would test fuses for the nades.
I dunno, New Eden and all companies within are made by CCP, it's logical that everything is bugged to hell and not well tested, lol.
tritan abbattere wrote:
Instead of nerfing gernades add a counter; explosive Resistance mod for suits. give 20 percent basic 40 percent proto with stacking penalties. So people that use tactics that get them grenaded a lot could put this on there suit. This would weaken them against most of the infantry weapons as a result because you can't put another armor plate/shield extender on. That's a big trade off IMO.
Probably a better idea. |
Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
722
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Posted - 2015.02.09 02:03:00 -
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Imp Smash wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Make it so you cannot cook them except for the fluxes. Er...ok that's it. People say OP this and op that.pÇÇPeople keep throwing the word OP (overpowered as it is actually an acronym) without knowing what it actually means!Over powered can mean: 1. To be uncounterable. 2. To affect so strongly as to make helpless or ineffective; overwhelm. 3. To supply with excessive mechanical power. 4. To be the superior choice in the vast majority of situations. 5. To provide great return for very little work and or skill. 6. To have more strength, force, or effect than (someone or something) That's 6 distinct definitions there -- none of which have anything to do with the OP or rationale. Saying 'cooking grenades is OP' is akin to saying 'Crouching is OP.' Or 'reloading is OP.'
Surely it could be 'overpowered' as it affects hp in such a way that it overwhelms, makes helpless & leaves it very ineffective.
Imp Smash wrote:
Nothing needs changing. Cooking grenades takes skill, cannot be done constantly, removes the ability to shoot/reload/jump/sprint/throwequipment/DO ANYTHING while cooking, carries the risk of killing the user and or friendlies depending on game mode, and is avoidable!
Everything takes 'skill' however the level of skill required for 'cooking a grenade' is akin to that of counting to 3.
Just another thought, to make it less of an easy mode, could increase the timer so it isn't such a good idea to stop firing and throw one at someone, you might need to be behind cover if you want to insta-pop someone with it. |
HOLY PERFECTION
OUTCAST MERCS
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.02.09 02:11:00 -
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I agree grenades are OP. Only a certain type like the proto locus grenades. They take out my logi with one grenade!!!
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maluble
Art.of.Death
VP Gaming Alliance
192
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Posted - 2015.02.09 20:08:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Cooking grenades has been a staple in many games for quite some time.
Considering how week most grenades are in game, I really think you are seeing a problem where there isn't one.
Being frustrated by a kill does not mean something is a problem.
I run a 200 to 300 HP suit, and the last time I was killed by a grenade was many many months ago. I only remember because it was a notable event.
So because it doesnt affect you personally its not a problem? Very narrow way of thinking. |
Alex-ZX
Valor Coalition
Red Whines.
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Posted - 2015.02.10 00:51:00 -
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My only issue is with those fags that try to kill everyone with core frags. I don't have issues with STD or adv grenades, but cores I laugh at their face because most of the time they sux in battles 1 vs 1.
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