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Jebus McKing wrote:

So I used the exact same method of testing with the CR as well.

On average I was able to fire ~15.2 shots per second, which results in a dps of ~451 (Boundless CR damage = 29.7).

A dps of 451 is almost on par with the dps of an AR (453), though the CR has a 20% better effective range than the AR. So there certainly is room for tweaking as well.

The point though still remains that the ScR performs much better, especially when you compare it to the RR which has a similar range and got its stats reduced multiple times because of that. Also the ScR performs very good in both close and long range engagements where the other rifles have at least some disadvantage in either.

As I said before, someone who uses a ScR regularly, and possibly even uses an Amarr Assaut, won't have too many problems with managing the heat built-up - same as CR users don't have problems with finding the right "rhythm", as you can't just pull the trigger as fast as you can because that will actually reduce your dps.

The ability to charge shots also is a huge advantage because it massively reduces the time for an opponent to retaliate. You can't find this kind of advantage on any other rifle.


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deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 2011	Posted - 2015.02.01 09:00:00 - [1] - Quote The ScR is a single shot weapon which requires precision. If you are using anything other than the Amarr Assault missing a charge shot is nearly a death sentence. All this whining over the ScR from shield users while us armor based users get smashed in even less time with more eHP by a CR and there is less than half as many threads talking about that. I feel like there is a correlation between being a shield tanker and being a big baby. At least you presented your thread with some science even tho you were starting with a set goal in mind that was likely manipulated by all the actual whiners on the forums. LOL if you think it is bad now, just wait til this dumb ass 5% from warbarges starts off setting the armor penalty. When combined with a couple of damage mods TTK against ScR and CR is going to go to NOTHING.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 2012	Posted - 2015.02.01 09:15:00 - [2] - Quote pumping up wrote: Only that cr can't be fired 5 times a second. Why does it need to when any armor suit aside from a heavy or very brick tanked assault goes down in less than a second. It really comes back to the fact that the ScR and CR fall outside of the bounds of the normal TTK. With how low TTK is falling any way under that gives a certain shock value which leads to threads like this. Of course a player who never has a chance to fight back against one weapon when any other weapon is an actual battle is going to scream OP. Its all good at least CCP is going to make this problem worse with a free damage modifier for everyone.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 2012	Posted - 2015.02.01 11:06:00 - [3] - Quote Jebus McKing wrote: So I used the exact same method of testing with the CR as well. On average I was able to fire ~15.2 shots per second, which results in a dps of ~451 (Boundless CR damage = 29.7). A dps of 451 is almost on par with the dps of an AR (453), though the CR has a 20% better effective range than the AR. So there certainly is room for tweaking as well. The point though still remains that the ScR performs much better, especially when you compare it to the RR which has a similar range and got its stats reduced multiple times because of that. Also the ScR performs very good in both close and long range engagements where the other rifles have at least some disadvantage in either. As I said before, someone who uses a ScR regularly, and possibly even uses an Amarr Assaut, won't have too many problems with managing the heat built-up - same as CR users don't have problems with finding the right "rhythm", as you can't just pull the trigger as fast as you can because that will actually reduce your dps. The ability to charge shots also is a huge advantage because it massively reduces the time for an opponent to retaliate. You can't find this kind of advantage on any other rifle. Do any of these weapons leave you dancing in the street if you screw up and pull the trigger too many times? Do any of these weapons require you to stop shooting at times to stop the above from happening? If you think managing heat build up on a non assault suit is oh so easy then you obviously have not used this in a combat situation and you definitely have not done it against an armor bricked suit of any kind. On this note I find it very interesting that when discussing the AR and the CR you are throwing out all kinds of numbers and saying I all over the place yet when you get to the ScR there is not much in the number area and it is all "some one who". How about instead of whining on the forums you go put a ferroscale plate on, get good, and stop wasting everyone's time with your fabricated numbers. You have made it more than clear that you are just here too defend shields and combat rifles so just say it and let everyone else tell you to shut it as well.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 2018	Posted - 2015.02.01 19:21:00 - [4] - Quote Starlight Burner wrote: People keep btching about my ScR yet they won't btch about the CR. ScR destroys shields CR destroys armor When I play pubs, I hardly see anyone using my gun. Oh, lets also not take in the affect of FPS drops that hinder the damn guns ability. When the frame tanks, the DPS it can do it LOWERED. The CR is better at destroying 1v1 to an Amarr because of DPS to armor it can do. It takes someone who uses the ScR everyday all day to counter the strafing speeds and DPS the CR can do to armor. Quit btching about ScR and complain about the CR too. Dmn Just give up. There is obviously some hidden link between shield / CR users and cry babies. At minimum a 5:1 ratio of CRs on the field flashing through armor before most people know what happen and then they are the ones that come running to the forums yelling about the one scrambler rifle that countered them.