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Jebus McKing
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Posted - 2015.02.01 08:44:00 -
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I was curious about why it seems that the ScR does so much more damage than I would expect from a weapon with almost 100m effective range so I ran some tests and checked how fast I can pull the trigger and in how much dps that would result.
On average I was able to fire ~6.67 shots per second.
Now I'm not really good at using a ScR so I'd expect someone who uses it regularly might achieve even more rounds than that.
If we now take the viziam ScR base damage of 71.5 and multiply that with 6.67 rounds per second we get a dps of ~477.
That's 5% more than the dps of the Duvolle AR (453) which has an effective range of only 70m.
And that's even 20% more than the dps of the Kaalakiota RR (397) which has an effective range of 100m.
In summary:
Viziam ScR - 477dps - 96m range
Duvolle AR - 453dps - 70m range
Kaalakiota RR - 397dps - 100m range
To me that explains why I always have the feeling that my shields simply disappear instantly even when the ScR did not charge the shot, and why even my armor doesn't help a lot when I come up against a ScR.
On top of the best dps and close to best range the ScR also gets the ability to charge shots giving the ScR quite the head start in many fights, which is a huge advantage, obviously.
Now some might say "b-but heat built-up".
Even with only level 1 in ScR I was able to easily deal ~1250 damage with a STD ScR before overheating, which is only ~160 damage less than an ADV(!) ACR has in its whole clip. If you use an Amarr Assault and regularly play with the ScR I think it is save to say heat becomes almost a non-issue.
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Jebus McKing
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Posted - 2015.02.01 10:01:00 -
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So I used the exact same method of testing with the CR as well.
On average I was able to fire ~15.2 shots per second, which results in a dps of ~451 (Boundless CR damage = 29.7).
A dps of 451 is almost on par with the dps of an AR (453), though the CR has a 20% better effective range than the AR. So there certainly is room for tweaking as well.
The point though still remains that the ScR performs much better, especially when you compare it to the RR which has a similar range and got its stats reduced multiple times because of that. Also the ScR performs very good in both close and long range engagements where the other rifles have at least some disadvantage in either.
As I said before, someone who uses a ScR regularly, and possibly even uses an Amarr Assaut, won't have too many problems with managing the heat built-up - same as CR users don't have problems with finding the right "rhythm", as you can't just pull the trigger as fast as you can because that will actually reduce your dps.
The ability to charge shots also is a huge advantage because it massively reduces the time for an opponent to retaliate. You can't find this kind of advantage on any other rifle.
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Jebus McKing
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Posted - 2015.02.01 10:39:00 -
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Stefan Stahl wrote:Jebus McKing wrote:The point though still remains that the ScR performs much better The official stance on this appears to be "It's OP, but not many people use it, thus it's not a problem". Rattati has agreed before that the ScR's efficiency in terms of kills/rifle is better than with other weapons ( source). But since it's still used comparatively seldom nerfing it would just remove it from the game. If you consider the ScR overly powerful the only solution right now is to advertise it's power by using it more. P.S.: I don't personally agree with that method. I'm just trying to let you know why this topic won't change anything.
I know that statement by Rattati and I find that line of thinking rather... odd.
When we know that something is more efficient than it should be why do we have to wait long enough for it being a widespread problem? Just so that there'll be more people QQing about their favourite OP weapon getting nerfed days after they finally got enough SP to spec into it and join the other OP chasers?
Something about the ScR has to change. Now.
I'm not saying that it needs a straight damage nerf but it's got to have some kind of disadvantage to compensate for its raw damage potential and range.
I was thinking to make it kinda like the Laser rifle and give it a slightly reduced damage at ranges of ~0-30m. Not as limiting as the LR but definately noticeable.
Or whatever else people seem fitting. I don't really want to propose a tweak myself as I'm not a ScR user, and it would be really nice if the ScR community themselves came up with tweaks instead of constantly repeating "lol, git gud, ScR is fine, stop QQing, shield user tears, blah blah blah"
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Jebus McKing
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Posted - 2015.02.01 16:34:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:You say you could deal 1250 dmg before overheat? An AR does over 2300 dmg before having to reload The comparision is flawed because it takes twice as long to empty an AR clip than it takes a ScR to overheat. And that is with only lvl 1 skills. The better your skill, the longer it will take to overheat and the more damage you can deal. 1250 is only the baseline, it deals much more than that in reality.
Varoth Drac wrote:Also don't dismiss the fitting cost. The extremely high fitting cost is a major factor. I'd have no problem to reduce fitting cost if the rifle was tweaked in a way to be in line with the rest of the rifles.
Varoth Drac wrote:Finally, the more extreme damage profile is a negative. Yes you will be great against shields, but at the cost of consistency. ScR can very consistently deal with armor users too as the negative bonus to armor is compensated by the higher dps.
All Gucci wrote:Rattati has agreed before that the ScR's efficiency in terms of kills/rifle is better than with other weapons<--- where did he say this? he said its the most efficient, he never said that in relation to kills? you cry babies just constantly make up **** it's so funny lmao
it is not dominant in Kills compared to other rifles. this is what he said in relation to ScR kills
Do you choose to only see parts of the sentence you want to ? you making up bullshit isn't going to help your argument... the ScR wont get touched until the amarr assault has its appropriate stats. Forgive me. Please enlighten me with the proper definition of a rifles efficiency then. 
Rattati literally said the ScR is better than the other rifles and the only reason he is not doing anything about it is because not enough people have jumped on the bandwagon yet.
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