DUST Search - Aim Assist feels entirely too helpful

Bethhy wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

Bethhy wrote:

Aim assist is only tragic in DUST 514 because we spent some of the most considered funnest times of DUST's builds without it... But we complained about hit detection for nearly a year solid... Instead of fixing the Core Mechanic and issue to helping DUST be a success they just slapped an Aim assist band-aid over it...

Then started a big forum propaganda train about how every FPS has aim assist... Even though a big chunk of the DUST community came from MAG, Soccom and CS:GO which had no aim assist...

DUST 514 actually HAD aim assist, yes even back in chromo.
It was actually removed during Uprising 1.0, and everyone and their mother complained about the aiming.

Nah the same Aim assist was present in Uprising launch.. I Spent alot of time dueling people in corp battles in Chromosome and then in No show PC's on Uprising launch....

Dust's slight aim assist in Chromo and Uprising was commented on and enjoyed by the general community.... CCP Tried to implement a very strong aim assist Twice in Beta;s.... To have the community collective flip **** about it. And they remove it.

So CCP Removed Magnetic aim assist.

The Aim assist of old was more LDS snaps... Allowing a player to LDS and have the camera transition as you look to your sights/scope and it centers more on the target your close to...

LDS snaps is one of the most widely accepted Aim assist features for a FPS... as it allows DS3 users to already be somewhat close to target when fine aiming with LDS.... Giving them a competitive chance .... Even new players enjoyed this iteration of DUST's aim assist.

But DUST through these times never had a magnetic aim assist... Or a Hit detection buff forcing you to use it or be at a disadvantage...

What Made the Launch of Uprising so terrible for Hitting stuff? CCP Wolfman Overhauled the entire Aim system and Hit detection system.... Because he said at the time the old system was causing us to loose 1-2 FPS....

First thing DS3 users noticed? Infinite joystick acceleration causing inconsistent input... Basically when you move your joystick maxed to one side... The aim get's faster and faster ...

This created a massive problem for Mouse users aswell as the same mvoement with the mouse yielded completely different input results...

They then gave a blanket Damage buff to everything by 10% to make up for the terrible hit detection..... You could have your aim perfect and would still be missing... When you could actually get your aim on target.. As the Crosshairs turning "Red" Was extremely delayed and laggy...

We spent 1.2 and 1.3 fixing aiming controls and they started getting better around 1.3...... Remember CCP Wolfman changed the aiming system from Chromosome which was widely enjoyed by their customer base... Then we spent Uprising 1.0,1.1,1.2,1.3 trying to fix it...

During this time CCP shanghai's Executive Producer quit.... Leaving the DUST team without a boss and free reign to develop whatever they felt like in their internal teams...

1.4-1.6 DUST had dark times with terrible update after terrible Update... Emptying out their player base they gained back from the Terrible Uprising launch....

Then CCP Rouge came into picture....

I Know my DUST history... I lived it.... making passionate Forum posts warning CCP all along the way...


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Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14765	Posted - 2015.01.30 11:17:00 - [1] - Quote For the 1290398389423 time, the aim assist in DUST is one of the weakest around. Every single shooter in my library of PS3 games has either the same or stronger aim assist. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14765	Posted - 2015.01.30 11:19:00 - [2] - Quote WeapondigitX V7 wrote: destiny makes it feel invisible sometimes though unless you examine it closely. Really? With Destiny I only needed to put my crosshair at head level, strafe around, and the aim assist would magnet itself to enemy heads. I barely had to move my stick. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14808	Posted - 2015.01.31 15:22:00 - [3] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Aim assist is only tragic in DUST 514 because we spent some of the most considered funnest times of DUST's builds without it... But we complained about hit detection for nearly a year solid... Instead of fixing the Core Mechanic and issue to helping DUST be a success they just slapped an Aim assist band-aid over it... Then started a big forum propaganda train about how every FPS has aim assist... Even though a big chunk of the DUST community came from MAG, Soccom and CS:GO which had no aim assist... DUST 514 actually HAD aim assist, yes even back in chromo. It was actually removed during Uprising 1.0, and everyone and their mother complained about the aiming. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14811	Posted - 2015.01.31 20:59:00 - [4] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Bethhy wrote: Aim assist is only tragic in DUST 514 because we spent some of the most considered funnest times of DUST's builds without it... But we complained about hit detection for nearly a year solid... Instead of fixing the Core Mechanic and issue to helping DUST be a success they just slapped an Aim assist band-aid over it... Then started a big forum propaganda train about how every FPS has aim assist... Even though a big chunk of the DUST community came from MAG, Soccom and CS:GO which had no aim assist... DUST 514 actually HAD aim assist, yes even back in chromo. It was actually removed during Uprising 1.0, and everyone and their mother complained about the aiming. Nah the same Aim assist was present in Uprising launch.. I Spent alot of time dueling people in corp battles in Chromosome and then in No show PC's on Uprising launch.... Dust's slight aim assist in Chromo and Uprising was commented on and enjoyed by the general community.... CCP Tried to implement a very strong aim assist Twice in Beta;s.... To have the community collective flip ** about it. And they remove it. So CCP Removed Magnetic aim assist. The Aim assist of old was more LDS snaps... Allowing a player to LDS and have the camera transition as you look to your sights/scope and it centers more on the target your close to... LDS snaps is one of the most widely accepted Aim assist features for a FPS... as it allows DS3 users to already be somewhat close to target when fine aiming with LDS.... Giving them a competitive chance .... Even new players enjoyed this iteration of DUST's aim assist. But DUST through these times never had a magnetic aim assist... Or a Hit detection buff forcing you to use it or be at a disadvantage... What Made the Launch of Uprising so terrible for Hitting stuff? CCP Wolfman Overhauled the entire Aim system and Hit detection system.... Because he said at the time the old system was causing us to loose 1-2 FPS.... First thing DS3 users noticed? Infinite joystick acceleration causing inconsistent input... Basically when you move your joystick maxed to one side... The aim get's faster and faster ... This created a massive problem for Mouse users aswell as the same mvoement with the mouse yielded completely different input results... They then gave a blanket Damage buff to everything by 10% to make up for the terrible hit detection..... You could have your aim perfect and would still be missing... When you could actually get your aim on target.. As the Crosshairs turning "Red" Was extremely delayed and laggy... We spent 1.2 and 1.3 fixing aiming controls and they started getting better around 1.3...... Remember CCP Wolfman changed the aiming system from Chromosome which was widely enjoyed by their customer base... Then we spent Uprising 1.0,1.1,1.2,1.3 trying to fix it... During this time CCP shanghai's Executive Producer quit.... Leaving the DUST team without a boss and free reign to develop whatever they felt like in their internal teams... 1.4-1.6 DUST had dark times with terrible update after terrible Update... Emptying out their player base they gained back from the Terrible Uprising launch.... Then CCP Rouge came into picture.... I Know my DUST history... I lived it.... making passionate Forum posts warning CCP all along the way... You don't know your DUST history. There was no aim assist back in Uprising, CCP commented on the fact saying that they "Wanted to rework it before implementing it again". Uprising's aiming was complained about NON STOP until aim assist appeared, every 5th thread was complaining about how ** the aiming was, I have no idea how you missed that. You are right, DUST never had magnetic aim assist, but that doesn't mean magnetic aim assist isn't used in other shooters. COD, BF, Borderlands, Halo, Destiny, Crysis, etc', all have magnetic aim assist, all stronger than DUST's. DUST had aim adhesion, slowing down your aiming once you are on target. Wolfman overhauled the aiming because even before Uprising people complained about bad aim mechanics, just that we got so used to it we stopped caring, and yes he did a ** poor job at it. The 10% damage buff happened to compensate for the damage bonus from Weaponry no longer existing. If you look back, you'll see them removing the 2% per level Weaponry damage bonus from the skill, because they felt like it was a pointless thing to have a skill if everyone brought it to level 5 as one of the first things you do. (Don't agree with it, but whatever) People complained that weapons feel too weak now, CCP tracked the cause to be the Weaponry damage bonus removal, and added a blanket 10% damage buff to all weapons. After that you are correct, they spent dev time trying to refine Wolfman's system, and we are where we are right now. The aiming is still substandard, and would be frustrating as all hell to a lot of people without aim assist. Note: I am not one of them, I did fine before aim assist and I would do fine after it's gone. My K/D actually dropped after aim assist was released, because people could actually ghasp hit me now. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*