DUST Search - How the quafe BPOs should be given out.

deezy dabest wrote:

Baal Omniscient wrote:

For non-OP BPO's? Sure. For over the top officer gear? .....I think that's best left to random chance as it has been thus far. Even if the BPO's were just put into the LP store and the strong boxes just gave out huge chunks of LP, a 1 in 4 chance of getting LP for the race you want is far better than a 1-in-however-many-BPO's-are-available chance of getting the item you want.

The problem with officer weapons is the fact that even if you get a set there is a good chance they are useless to you. This significantly drops the appeal.

Lets say the average low to mid level player has 2 weapons at proficiency 3. Assuming the chance of officer weapons is around 1 in 50. That new players chance of getting an officer weapon that is useful to him now becomes somewhere in the area of 1 in 500. Sorry if these numbers are way off, I did not feel like counting up the officer weapons and just wanted to give an example as to why the current system is only hurting CCPs chance of sales.

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deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1936	Posted - 2015.01.29 11:45:00 - [1] - Quote There should be an alternate market with them where you can use some kind of token to purchase them. This token would then be placed in to strong boxes. Why would I want to "get lucky" and score a BPO of a race that I am not skilled into at all? Also, putting better stuff into strongboxes does not make them any less of a junk box than they are. To be totally honest I do not expect to ever see one of these BPOs.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1936	Posted - 2015.01.29 11:47:00 - [2] - Quote Actually the same could be done with officer weapons as well.
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2143	Posted - 2015.01.29 11:57:00 - [3] - Quote For non-OP BPO's? Sure. For over the top officer gear? .....I think that's best left to random chance as it has been thus far. Even if the BPO's were just put into the LP store and the strong boxes just gave out huge chunks of LP, a 1 in 4 chance of getting LP for the race you want is far better than a 1-in-however-many-BPO's-are-available chance of getting the item you want. Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
Clone D 1425	Posted - 2015.01.29 12:03:00 - [4] - Quote No matter what they put in strongboxes, I will never pay a dime to open them.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1938	Posted - 2015.01.29 12:05:00 - [5] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: For non-OP BPO's? Sure. For over the top officer gear? .....I think that's best left to random chance as it has been thus far. Even if the BPO's were just put into the LP store and the strong boxes just gave out huge chunks of LP, a 1 in 4 chance of getting LP for the race you want is far better than a 1-in-however-many-BPO's-are-available chance of getting the item you want. The problem with officer weapons is the fact that even if you get a set there is a good chance they are useless to you. This significantly drops the appeal. Lets say the average low to mid level player has 2 weapons at proficiency 3. Assuming the chance of officer weapons is around 1 in 50. That new players chance of getting an officer weapon that is useful to him now becomes somewhere in the area of 1 in 500. Sorry if these numbers are way off, I did not feel like counting up the officer weapons and just wanted to give an example as to why the current system is only hurting CCPs chance of sales.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1939	Posted - 2015.01.29 12:29:00 - [6] - Quote Would you play the lottery if instead of paying out 1 million USD it paid out 1 million AUD and you could not exchange it ? This is exactly what buying keys is. You may "win big" but get absolutely nothing out of it. The original idea of random salvage was meant to go along with a player market so that players could make a decision on which weapon they ultimately ended up with through selling the one they get and buying the one they want.
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2144	Posted - 2015.01.29 12:35:00 - [7] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: For non-OP BPO's? Sure. For over the top officer gear? .....I think that's best left to random chance as it has been thus far. Even if the BPO's were just put into the LP store and the strong boxes just gave out huge chunks of LP, a 1 in 4 chance of getting LP for the race you want is far better than a 1-in-however-many-BPO's-are-available chance of getting the item you want. The problem with officer weapons is the fact that even if you get a set there is a good chance they are useless to you. This significantly drops the appeal. Lets say the average low to mid level player has 2 weapons at proficiency 3. Assuming the chance of officer weapons is around 1 in 50. That new players chance of getting an officer weapon that is useful to him now becomes somewhere in the area of 1 in 500. Sorry if these numbers are way off, I did not feel like counting up the officer weapons and just wanted to give an example as to why the current system is only hurting CCPs chance of sales. I don't feel Officer weapons should be in them to begin with honestly. First, that's gambling real money for the chance at (what even CCP agrees is) OP gear. Second, I am against anything that is that strong being on a pay model, even if it is random. In fact... especially if it's random, but against it to begin with so that's beside the point. Third, I feel that any chance of getting officer gear should be earned, not bought, not handed out at random; whether through salvage, strongboxes or otherwise. A challenge system for earning them needs to be implemented, random chance is a disappointing byproduct of a lack of imagination in game design. Since that will never happen (at least not on ps3), they should stay relegated to strictly random drops OR keys need to be nearly as plentiful as strong boxes so everyone can play. Either way, to your main point, I agree that the BPO's would be better off in a market which you get currency for from strongboxes. Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
Wilhelm Klingspor DUST University Ivy League 596	Posted - 2015.01.29 12:38:00 - [8] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: There should be an alternate market with them where you can use some kind of token to purchase them. This token would then be placed in to strong boxes. Why would I want to "get lucky" and score a BPO of a race that I am not skilled into at all? Also, putting better stuff into strongboxes does not make them any less of a junk box than they are. To be totally honest I do not expect to ever see one of these BPOs. i would be cool with this. Although if i could trade a Brutor Heavy for a Roden Scout BPO that would also do. GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ DON'T PANIC GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1939	Posted - 2015.01.29 12:39:00 - [9] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Third, I feel that any chance of getting officer gear should be earned, not bought, not handed out at random; whether through salvage, strongboxes or otherwise. A challenge system for earning them needs to be implemented, random chance is a disappointing byproduct of a lack of imagination in game design. This absolutely could not have been stated any better.
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 15309	Posted - 2015.01.29 19:26:00 - [10] - Quote Well in an ideal world (March), you'd be able to sell that BPO to someone who doesn't want one for a sizable amount of ISK and then use said ISK to purchase the desired BPO from someone else. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND

Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 4493	Posted - 2015.01.29 19:32:00 - [11] - Quote if you mean the new bpo's sure but the old ones we used AUR to get for you guys to now have an alternative way of getting them? Hell no. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Ku Shala The Generals 1179	Posted - 2015.01.29 19:58:00 - [12] - Quote uh I predict no as player trading will be available SooNGäó good luck o7 *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (CK-0 Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist Tiger Style
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 3297	Posted - 2015.01.29 20:09:00 - [13] - Quote Tournament round robins played on this is the only way to find the true BPO owners.
Edau Skir2 Nefantar Raiders 348	Posted - 2015.01.29 22:48:00 - [14] - Quote Ku Shala wrote: uh I predict no as player trading will be available SooNGäó good luck o7 Well. You beat me to it! Resident pasty smasher
Timtron Victory Horizons' Edge 295	Posted - 2015.01.29 22:52:00 - [15] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Would you play the lottery if instead of paying out 1 million USD it paid out 1 million AUD and you could not exchange it ? This is exactly what buying keys is. You may "win big" but get absolutely nothing out of it. The original idea of random salvage was meant to go along with a player market so that players could make a decision on which weapon they ultimately ended up with through selling the one they get and buying the one they want. More like 1 million dollars and 1 million in North Korean currency given that very soon their currency wont be accepted in US financial institutions haha ISK Weekly Lottery Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1958	Posted - 2015.01.30 02:23:00 - [16] - Quote Ku Shala wrote: uh I predict no as player trading will be available SooNGäó good luck o7 Player trading has been moved to Q2 meaning we have a couple of months before we see it. Player trading does not fix the crackpot system that as Baal stated is no more than a lack of imagination. @Timtron Victory I really wish I would have thought about that at the time. Would have made the example much nicer.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1961	Posted - 2015.01.30 05:36:00 - [17] - Quote After thinking about it a bit more I have this idea. Every victory you earn officer commendation medals. Strong boxes have the possibility of giving out large sums of these same medals. Officer weapons cost X amount of commendation medals. Simple, easy, and straight to the point while keeping some random chance as well as being able to earn them through accomplishments.
LUGMOS Quafe Premium 1767	Posted - 2015.01.30 06:01:00 - [18] - Quote Atiim wrote: Well in an ideal world (March), you'd be able to sell that BPO to someone who doesn't want one for a sizable amount of ISK and then use said ISK to purchase the desired BPO from someone else. /thread Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
XxBlazikenxX Y.A.M.A.H 91	Posted - 2015.01.30 06:07:00 - [19] - Quote Clone D wrote: No matter what they put in strongboxes, I will never pay a dime to open them. This is a warning to everyone. Under no circumstances should you buy decryption keys, it is a complete rip off and I wasted 10000 aurum on it. Terrestrial Combat Officer of Y.A.M.A.H Recruitment Minmatar Assault
Timtron Victory Horizons' Edge 298	Posted - 2015.02.02 14:59:00 - [20] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Clone D wrote: No matter what they put in strongboxes, I will never pay a dime to open them. This is a warning to everyone. Under no circumstances should you buy decryption keys, it is a complete rip off and I wasted 10000 aurum on it. Its essentially gambling at its worse ISK Weekly Lottery Proud Christian Jesus Loves You

deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 2038	Posted - 2015.02.02 16:13:00 - [21] - Quote Timtron Victory wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Clone D wrote: No matter what they put in strongboxes, I will never pay a dime to open them. This is a warning to everyone. Under no circumstances should you buy decryption keys, it is a complete rip off and I wasted 10000 aurum on it. Its essentially gambling at its worse I think like casinos and the lottery CCP should have to disclose your odds of winning.
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 366	Posted - 2015.02.02 17:26:00 - [22] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: There should be an alternate market with them where you can use some kind of token to purchase them. This token would then be placed in to strong boxes. Why would I want to "get lucky" and score a BPO of a race that I am not skilled into at all? Also, putting better stuff into strongboxes does not make them any less of a junk box than they are. To be totally honest I do not expect to ever see one of these BPOs. I agree with this, randomized loot blows chunks, especially if there is no option to trade to people who want your weapon but dont want the one you want.


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