DUST Search - FW underdog bonus?

Jack McReady wrote:

taxi bastard wrote:

OK its not exactly a hidden secret that most corps Q-sync gallente and mini FW . its makes collecting LP's simple for them as generally speaking there is little organised resistance against them. how about we turn things on their head a little

make rewards based on how well or badly a faction is doing. If a faction is doing badly that faction pays out more for a win or a loss than one that is doing well. if gallente are winning 90% of the battles then the reward for partaking should go down significantly. if caldari are winning 10% of the battles the sate pays its fighters more.

Not quite sure what the swing should be but something arround a -/+ 33%

beyond that make peoples vested interests with a particular faction alot more meaningful, if i am Ammar and i fight for the minmitar i should take a huge standing loss. maybe something in the region of 1/2 a level per fight . this way it will stop hopping from faction to faction following FOTM as to get you standing down will take no time atall and to build it up again will be a hard grind.

thoughts

how does this change anything? they will just qsync for the opposite faction for a few matches and nothing changes, except those guys that are truly fighting for their faction get another finger sticked in their butts and I can safely assume that the majority of people do not like fingers in their butts.

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taxi bastard Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 368	Posted - 2015.01.29 01:44:00 - [1] - Quote OK its not exactly a hidden secret that most corps Q-sync gallente and mini FW . its makes collecting LP's simple for them as generally speaking there is little organised resistance against them. how about we turn things on their head a little make rewards based on how well or badly a faction is doing. If a faction is doing badly that faction pays out more for a win or a loss than one that is doing well. if gallente are winning 90% of the battles then the reward for partaking should go down significantly. if caldari are winning 10% of the battles the sate pays its fighters more. Not quite sure what the swing should be but something arround a -/+ 33% beyond that make peoples vested interests with a particular faction alot more meaningful, if i am Ammar and i fight for the minmitar i should take a huge standing loss. maybe something in the region of 1/2 a level per fight . this way it will stop hopping from faction to faction following FOTM as to get you standing down will take no time atall and to build it up again will be a hard grind. thoughts
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 15307	Posted - 2015.01.29 15:14:00 - [2] - Quote This game is slowly being overrun by Care Bears. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1994	Posted - 2015.01.29 15:18:00 - [3] - Quote taxi bastard wrote: OK its not exactly a hidden secret that most corps Q-sync gallente and mini FW . its makes collecting LP's simple for them as generally speaking there is little organised resistance against them. how about we turn things on their head a little make rewards based on how well or badly a faction is doing. If a faction is doing badly that faction pays out more for a win or a loss than one that is doing well. if gallente are winning 90% of the battles then the reward for partaking should go down significantly. if caldari are winning 10% of the battles the sate pays its fighters more. Not quite sure what the swing should be but something arround a -/+ 33% beyond that make peoples vested interests with a particular faction alot more meaningful, if i am Ammar and i fight for the minmitar i should take a huge standing loss. maybe something in the region of 1/2 a level per fight . this way it will stop hopping from faction to faction following FOTM as to get you standing down will take no time atall and to build it up again will be a hard grind. thoughts how does this change anything? they will just qsync for the opposite faction for a few matches and nothing changes, except those guys that are truly fighting for their faction get another finger sticked in the butts.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4632	Posted - 2015.01.29 17:50:00 - [4] - Quote Actually we queue sync for Caldari because it's faster "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5841	Posted - 2015.01.29 20:00:00 - [5] - Quote I hope we get a system similar to the first one, where a single faction is able to dominate the whole galaxy if they had the power to. Remember when Caldari only had 6%? Lol
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 595	Posted - 2015.01.30 01:15:00 - [6] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: taxi bastard wrote: OK its not exactly a hidden secret that most corps Q-sync gallente and mini FW . its makes collecting LP's simple for them as generally speaking there is little organised resistance against them. how about we turn things on their head a little make rewards based on how well or badly a faction is doing. If a faction is doing badly that faction pays out more for a win or a loss than one that is doing well. if gallente are winning 90% of the battles then the reward for partaking should go down significantly. if caldari are winning 10% of the battles the sate pays its fighters more. Not quite sure what the swing should be but something arround a -/+ 33% beyond that make peoples vested interests with a particular faction alot more meaningful, if i am Ammar and i fight for the minmitar i should take a huge standing loss. maybe something in the region of 1/2 a level per fight . this way it will stop hopping from faction to faction following FOTM as to get you standing down will take no time atall and to build it up again will be a hard grind. thoughts how does this change anything? they will just qsync for the opposite faction for a few matches and nothing changes, except those guys that are truly fighting for their faction get another finger sticked in their butts and I can safely assume that the majority of people do not like fingers in their butts. Hmmm....buttfinger.....the end of so many date nights... Seriously though -- Getting a bonus to rewards when the underdog is fine -- but reducing rewards for the winning faction is pretty bad for incentivizing winning.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9370	Posted - 2015.01.30 01:26:00 - [7] - Quote What about we just make the winning player lose and make the losing player win. Then you can finally enjoy your *** carebear game. Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente HAV name! ~Democracy will win!**
taxi bastard Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 368	Posted - 2015.01.30 01:54:00 - [8] - Quote Atiim wrote: This game is slowly being overrun by Care Bears. Sgt Kirk wrote: What about we just make the winning player lose and make the losing player win. Then you can finally enjoy your ***** carebear game. I really cannot understand you .......i want good fights,this will encourage it. maybe its not ideal but a starting point to think about how to bring good fight to FW. full team Syncs vs a full team of randoms is IMO care bearing - there is little risk and high reward. How on earth is the current system of gallente/mini que syncs vs the randoms enjoyable in anyway? long waits, boaring battles. Oh i forgot its great for you KD ratio. FFS anyone Que synicing for those 2 faction simply are not looking for good battles. i have huge respect for the occasional corp squads i see in Ammar FW as they seem to be genuinely looking for a challenge.
Godin Thekiller The Corporate Raiders 2753	Posted - 2015.01.30 01:55:00 - [9] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Actually we queue sync for Caldari because it's faster Half of my mind has traitored me, how shameful. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9370	Posted - 2015.01.30 02:06:00 - [10] - Quote Caldari FW when they run Q'syncs are hard as hell to go against. I suggest you and the other blueberries actually get good and coordinate instead of sitting around bitching about it. H.K. Caldari channel finally wised up and started doing good for once because they actually got their ** together for once. FW is not for the causal pub player, if you win, you get everything, if you lose, you get damn close to nothing. It's winner takes all in FW so you either give it your all and bring your friends or get completely wrecked by somebody else that brought their best and their friends with them. It's not a solo game mode or casual game mode, that's for damn sure and it's about the closet some players will ever get to PC. Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente HAV name! ~Democracy will win!**
taxi bastard Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 368	Posted - 2015.01.30 02:53:00 - [11] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Caldari FW when they run Q'syncs are hard as hell to go against. I suggest you and the other blueberries actually get good and coordinate instead of sitting around bitching about it. H.K. Caldari channel finally wised up and started doing good for once because they actually got their **** together for once. FW is not for the causal pub player, if you win, you get everything, if you lose, you get damn close to nothing. It's winner takes all in FW so you either give it your all and bring your friends or get completely wrecked by somebody else that brought their best and their friends with them. It's not a solo game mode or casual game mode, that's for damn sure and it's about the closet some players will ever get to PC. i never said it was solo game mode or casual. but at the moment 90% of que syncs and corp squads favor 2 sides. it is seem more as a farm than a fight for the most part and that needs to change or its pretty dull and boring. the talk of increasing payouts for a side which is getting trampled as an incentive for people to play on that side is logical, or everyone will simply just try to play on 2 sides. It makes the challenge ( which is a hard one) more rewarding for those who take it up. hell if i want care bear mode i could AFK in the warbarge on a mini FW with a rubber band on my controller and get full payout 85-90% of the time. As for it being close to PC.....It could be if the sides were more balanced. It could be great if you had battle after battle of players using their best working as a team against a similar opponent and that should be what we aim for FW to be. Currently its far from that 99% of the time. yes you often have often got 1 organised side bringing out their best , but how often do you have 2 sides doing it? how would you encourage some of the better players and squads to migrate over to the loosing side? don't you think that alot of the players currently on the loosing side have got all the boxes ticked for the factions? i got invited to a FW channel which is quite busy, not once have i heard one call out for caldari or Ammar if you ask people to join you you get silence.
Monty Mole Clone Ametat Security Amarr Empire 277	Posted - 2015.01.30 05:25:00 - [12] - Quote at the very least, if you actually put in the effort and get 20 kills and a decent amount of war points you should get more lp and standings so its not a total waste of time not afking even if you do get your teeth kicked in drinking wine, eating cheese and catching some rays
XxBlazikenxX Y.A.M.A.H 87	Posted - 2015.01.30 05:45:00 - [13] - Quote There is a simple solution to not being on the receiving side of a Q-syncing team. And it is to join Y.A.M.A.H and Q-sync with us. We have friendly members who are always glad to squad up as well as contacts from other corps. What the hell? Did I just do a commercial? Terrestrial Combat Officer of Y.A.M.A.H Recruitment Minmatar Assault

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