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SHADOWBlood ASSASSIN DUV0LLE RAIDERS 0	Posted - 2015.01.26 03:35:00 - [1] - Quote So, I love my Minja. I really love the s* out of it. However, I think it needs to be buffed in certain ways. Before you go all rage mode on me, hear me out. I run my Minja to open every match, (I open with proto links) and then switch based on what's needed. My Minja is essentially my go-to when my assault or my logi aren't required. It's versatile and I love it. HOWEVER, it has some issues. For instance, the PG is VERY low. I have my CPU & PG upgrades at level 4, yet I still have trouble fitting everything on my proto Minja. For instance, just recently I made a derp around fit with three kincats, but I couldn't fit a gun, a cloak and knives on there at once, I had to drop one (this was with no shield extenders or anything). It's lacking in PG that could make or break you in a game, cause one more ferroscale or one more kincat could be just enough to make or break you. Here is one I will take a LOT of flak for. I want a fourth low slot (but only if PG is buffed). This may sound like I am going overboard, but if you have a scout with 200 combined HP because of the damps you need to not be passively scanned AND things like armor repairers or codebreakers (depending on your needs), you will be f*ed over. Every time. I think that if you had a fourth slot to put in a ferroscale plate, or maybe a dampener depending on how you run your Minja. This would prevent people like me (who run 200-300 hp fits) from dying to one shot from a charged scrambler rifle. It could also help people who need higher hp to succeed as a scout, those who need to tank a few shots to get a good knife stab in there. I know this will probably take a lot of flak, but hopefully you guys can at least see where my poor one-shorted Minja is coming from =ƒÿé
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge 819	Posted - 2015.01.26 04:00:00 - [2] - Quote Ninja is fine, and just slightly subpar to keep it from being FOTM and thus avoid the nerd hammer. The only possible buff would be a dampening bonus but it's really fine. Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6069	Posted - 2015.01.26 04:12:00 - [3] - Quote No slot change. Decrease fitting req's of biotics. Move PG Upgrade and CBs to highs. MinScout fixed. Reduce backpedal speed to ~80% of forward movement. Knifing fixed. Minjas Rejoice. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1595	Posted - 2015.01.26 04:24:00 - [4] - Quote Bright Steel wrote: Ninja is fine, and just slightly subpar to keep it from being FOTM and thus avoid the nerd hammer. The only possible buff would be a dampening bonus but it's really fine. Kin cats need PG reduced by 1, it needs a PG buff by 1, Also a speed buff movement and sprint in order to truly stand out. Maybe Sprint base should be 7.95 and movement be 6.5. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Sinboto Simmons Dead Man's Game RUST415 7406	Posted - 2015.01.26 20:44:00 - [5] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: No slot change needed. Decrease fitting req's of biotics. Move PG Upgrade and CBs to highs. Reduce backpedal speed to ~80% of forward movement. MinScout fixed. Knifing fixed. Minjas Rejoice \o/ But my shield. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2 Born of the Brutor tribe
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7432	Posted - 2015.01.26 20:56:00 - [6] - Quote I don't think that we need to go overboard with Minja buffs. They are in a good place right now, and I don't need them becoming FotM and nerfed hard. I think there are more pressing matters to look into, like balanced games. My Minja could be back to its pre Alpha 1.8 self and the game wouldn't be playable as is for me. Also, I like the sacrifices, and am of the opinion that other suits should be making more sacrifices as well. Not enough of the game fittings require real sacrifice like they should. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2994	Posted - 2015.01.26 20:59:00 - [7] - Quote Every single suit you fit a large number of kincats on will suffer in the PG department. The Min is not unique in this at all.
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 429	Posted - 2015.01.26 21:05:00 - [8] - Quote Agreed. I don't have trouble fitting each tier of the min scout with skills maxed.
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 429	Posted - 2015.01.26 21:06:00 - [9] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: I don't think that we need to go overboard with Minja buffs. They are in a good place right now, and I don't need them becoming FotM and nerfed hard. I think there are more pressing matters to look into, like balanced games. My Minja could be back to its pre Alpha 1.8 self and the game wouldn't be playable as is for me. Also, I like the sacrifices, and am of the opinion that other suits should be making more sacrifices as well. Not enough of the game fittings require real sacrifice like they should. This is very well said. +1
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2134	Posted - 2015.01.26 23:59:00 - [10] - Quote Make it so your suit can't fit anything above basic shields and plates, and you have a deal. Even your fourth low slot. eHp is the issue with scouts, not their versatility. Be as versatile as you like... with low eHp. Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10891	Posted - 2015.01.27 06:25:00 - [11] - Quote I don't want to see the Minscout have an extra low-slot. No, I don't hate the Minscout. My primary suit setup happens to be the Minscout with Nova Knives. I specialize deeply in that role as a Minja. The reason I say this is because I'm more afraid of people asking CCP to bring about nerfs especially when CCP has a record of overdoing the nerfs sometimes because some people were just too whiny about it. However, I do agree that perhaps the PG needs to be looked into. I'm probably not asking for much here, but I think an additional 5-9 PG should be enough. But that may not be the only way to address the problem. The alternative could be that the Nova Knife Fitting Optimization skill book should be adjusted from 5% reduction per level in PG fitting requirements for the Nova Knives to maybe 6% due to the minimal impact that percentages have on small numbers. Currently, at max level, you can theoretically reduce the PG requirement of all knives by 2 PG but that's only if you don't have anything else fitted on the suit. Once you slap on a module, equipment, or another weapon the PG reduction will be dropped from 2 to 1 PG. This has something to do with how decimals are rounded in Dust. On top of that, investing so much SP for such little returns for the knife fitting optimization makes the skill book only useful up to level 3 which renders levels 4 and 5 practically useless. Perhaps this is what's holding back the Minscout. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10891	Posted - 2015.01.27 06:28:00 - [12] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Make it so your suit can't fit anything above basic shields and plates, and you have a deal. Even your fourth low slot. eHp is the issue with scouts, not their versatility. Be as versatile as you like... with low eHp. If you think about it, the Minmatar Scout reminds me of the Rifter. Not that powerful and can be weak at times, but is versatile enough to make up for its shortcomings. Both happen to be Minmatar. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10891	Posted - 2015.01.27 06:32:00 - [13] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: I don't think that we need to go overboard with Minja buffs. They are in a good place right now, and I don't need them becoming FotM and nerfed hard. I think there are more pressing matters to look into, like balanced games. My Minja could be back to its pre Alpha 1.8 self and the game wouldn't be playable as is for me. Also, I like the sacrifices, and am of the opinion that other suits should be making more sacrifices as well. Not enough of the game fittings require real sacrifice like they should. I don't mind keeping the Minscout as it is right now. However, that Nova Knife Fitting Optimization skill book has me a bit irked. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge 823	Posted - 2015.01.27 15:17:00 - [14] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Bright Steel wrote: Ninja is fine, and just slightly subpar to keep it from being FOTM and thus avoid the nerd hammer. The only possible buff would be a dampening bonus but it's really fine. Kin cats need PG reduced by 1, it needs a PG buff by 1, Also a speed buff movement and sprint in order to truly stand out. Maybe Sprint base should be 7.95 and movement be 6.5. This would make it way to powerful, especially in the hands of the famed minja knifers who would bring all sorts of QQ to the forums about the minja. Thus it would be seen as OP, in turn people would all start using it and that would bring the nerf hammer. Us minjas DONT WANT THIS!!! Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge 823	Posted - 2015.01.27 15:26:00 - [15] - Quote I also believe CCP doesn't want to see triple complex kincat suits running around with high HP, thus the high fitting cost causing you to have speed and low HP or high hp and lower speed. What I don't understand is why code breakers use pg at all??? Or at the very last why they are so pg intensive??? Your basically boosting your decryption processing speed which would require addition CPU and MAYBE SOME PG. I would like that looked at Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
Amuf Oratok Dead Man's Game RUST415 63	Posted - 2015.01.27 17:56:00 - [16] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I don't want to see the Minscout have an extra low-slot. I'm afraid I disagree. I envy Gallente slot configuration because all the important modules are low potency. Codebreakers? Low. Kinetic Catalyzers? Low. Profile Dampeners? Low. I fear anything Minmatar can do, Gallente can do it better.


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