DUST Search - another minmatar scout thread

Baal Omniscient wrote:

Radec fett wrote:

Mikel Arias wrote:

Hey, if you get killed by shotgun you should have paid more attention to your surroundings. Leaving that aside, it would be interesting to try this out, the knife thing. +1

I dont mind getting killed by shotguns but when im using my proto minmatar scout, I just hate getting 1 shoted by a basic shotgun since the minmatar scout doesn't have any ewar advantages, u have to choose between using dampener to get close to your target or precision mods to detect ppl and try to get the jump on them or to avoid them from getting the jump on u.

May I remind u that:

1:the caldari and gallente scouts have a damp bonus, it only takes 1 complex damp plus their racial bonuses to avoid assault passive scans and some scouts passive scans

2: the amarr has precision, he always knows where you are even wif u have damps.

My point is these suits have some ewar they just need to stack a bit of armor/shields or maybe some extra ewar mods to make them more efficient but the minmatar scout needs to get even closerthan a shotgun and its very hard to do that when someone picks u up in their radar and with such lo hit points, the fraise "a scanned scout is a dead scout" becomes a reality very quick.

But hey if your a proto shotgunner, then go ahead and shoot me, I won't mind, just basic shotguns are the ones that get me going.

I hate being OHK'd in my proto assault suit by a MLT shotgun, you're a scout soo...... you're whining about that why exactly?

One damp on my assault suit takes me below the scan of all but scouts running scans or an actual scanner of ADV or better capabilities, so scouts are all that can see you on the map anyway, and you have a speed advantage on all of them. Once again.... you're complaining why? Low eHP? Your hitbox is half the size of mine and you can run at over 10 meters a second, all I hear is QQ.

Also, a scanned anything is dead UNLESS DEFENDED PROPERLY, scout or otherwise.

As for those complaining about backpedal speed, IF I SEE YOU, YOU F'D UP. So if I can stop what I'm doing and turn around and shoot you without you killing me, that's on you for failing so hard. I have the right to be able to defend myself when you mess up, simple as that. What, am I supposed to stand still while you're crashing into me so I can't get a line of sight on you while you mash R1 with your OHK autoaim knives? I think not.

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Radec fett 9	Posted - 2015.01.24 22:03:00 - [1] - Quote So I have been playing dust for about 2 years before the first Uprising update, and I recently found out that nova knives where once able to be charged while running, in the video I saw (which was like a few months out of beta I would imagine) the minmatar seemed pretty strong because of the running while charging mechanic. Fast forward a few years into the present, the minmatar is considered the weakest scout, but I like the play style of its role so I play it anyway even if I lose 40% of my attempts at knifing someone (thanks to the new ewar system that allows assault suits to scan scouts with 1 complex dampener with no effort at all) I wish that the knives got this charge while sprinting mechanic back, and everyone will be able to use knives while sprinting, just that the minmatar will make this weapon more efficient. There are already a few posts in the General discussion section in the new officer sidearms thread about the officer NK having to much risk when used and not that much reward when used since its easily to get killed. But if you (the devs) reintroduce this sprint charge mechanic FOR ALL KNIVES then the minmatar scout ight be considered balanced(or OP), but hey Rattati if it turns out to be OP then change it back, I won't protest because I don't want knives to turn into an "easy mode" weapon. looks at the shotgun and hmg All u will see is 2 slashes across your screen only to realize you have been killed by me,the minmatar scout with knives
Mikel Arias Challengers 506 58	Posted - 2015.01.25 00:02:00 - [2] - Quote Hey, if you get killed by shotgun you should have paid more attention to your surroundings. Leaving that aside, it would be interesting to try this out, the knife thing. +1
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3779	Posted - 2015.01.25 00:22:00 - [3] - Quote It was a glitch, not a feature. I would just like CCP to lower backpedaling at 0.90 / 0.85 walking speed. Pronounced Scam - man - hoga Minmatar omni-merc
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 5998	Posted - 2015.01.25 01:06:00 - [4] - Quote Radec fett wrote: I wish that the knives got this charge while sprinting mechanic back, and everyone will be able to use knives while sprinting, just that the minmatar will make this weapon more efficient. ^ This would be OP. A better solution would be to reduce backpedal speed. Unlike every other shooter ever, backpedal speed in Dust is 100% of forward movement speed which leaves CQC and melee fighters at distinct disadvantage. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Radec fett 10	Posted - 2015.01.25 01:30:00 - [5] - Quote It seems that the only way of getting the devs attention is through a spreadsheet, but I want something to make the minmatar scouts role a bit easier but to still require skill to accomplish it properly, u know All u will see is 2 slashes across your screen only to realize you have been killed by me,the minmatar scout with knives
jjoemike10 O'Conner 140	Posted - 2015.01.25 01:43:00 - [6] - Quote Minmatar scouts are fine!!!! Who gets the clutch hack and wins a game for you? A Minmatar scout. Who Nova knives 3 people off of a point to win you the game? A Minmatar Scout. Who does every possible miscellaneous task on the battlefield to help you win a game? A minmatar scout. They aren't pure killers, they are like your swiss army knife on the battlefield.
Radec fett 10	Posted - 2015.01.25 01:51:00 - [7] - Quote Mikel Arias wrote: Hey, if you get killed by shotgun you should have paid more attention to your surroundings. Leaving that aside, it would be interesting to try this out, the knife thing. +1 I dont mind getting killed by shotguns but when im using my proto minmatar scout, I just hate getting 1 shoted by a basic shotgun and since the minmatar scout doesn't have any ewar advantages, u have to choose between using dampener to get close to your target or precision mods to detect ppl and try to get the jump on them or to avoid them from getting the jump on u. May I remind u that: 1:the caldari and gallente scouts have a damp bonus, it only takes 1 complex damp plus their racial bonuses to avoid assault passive scans and some scouts passive scans 2: the amarr has precision, he always knows where you are even wif u have damps. My point is these suits have some ewar they just need to stack a bit of armor/shields or maybe some extra ewar mods to make them more efficient but the minmatar scout needs to get even closerthan a shotgun and its very hard to do that when someone picks u up in their radar and with such lo hit points, the fraise "a scanned scout is a dead scout" becomes a reality very quick. But hey if your a proto shotgunner, then go ahead and shoot me, I won't mind, just basic shotguns are the ones that get me going. All u will see is 2 slashes across your screen only to realize you have been killed by me,the minmatar scout with knives
Insidious Bane Ametat Security Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2015.01.25 02:22:00 - [8] - Quote Nk is is Okay For this weapon requires Skill Just to get the simples of Kills
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6017	Posted - 2015.01.25 10:08:00 - [9] - Quote Radec fett wrote: It seems that the only way of getting the devs attention is through a spreadsheet, but I want something to make the minmatar scouts role a bit easier but to still require skill to accomplish it properly, u know Arguments in favor of backpedal speed reduction were recently presented to Rattati in the Barbershop. If you main MinScout, Radec, you should swing by the shop and introduce yourself to the guys. They're pretty helpful when it comes to MinScouts. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game RUST415 1637	Posted - 2015.01.25 11:22:00 - [10] - Quote jjoemike10 O'Conner wrote: Minmatar scouts are fine!!!! Who gets the clutch hack and wins a game for you? A Minmatar scout. Who Nova knives 3 people off of a point to win you the game? A Minmatar Scout. Who does every possible miscellaneous task on the battlefield to help you win a game? A minmatar scout. They aren't pure killers, they are like your swiss army knife on the battlefield. And we have a winner! If being scanned is a problem for you , you need more dampeners (3) If it's still a problem for you, you need kincats (GTFO) After this, if it's still a problem... you picked the wrong scout suit I am a MinScout primarily, it is the swiss army knifer of scouts.. Is it the best? no they all provide a diifferent role, I would say the Min is just versatile I respecc'd and have all 4 scouts, because there are some situations a Minja is the wrong option. - Backpedal speed nerf would help - More goddamn PG!! I don't see much need for other changes.

One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7411	Posted - 2015.01.25 17:06:00 - [11] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: jjoemike10 O'Conner wrote: Minmatar scouts are fine!!!! Who gets the clutch hack and wins a game for you? A Minmatar scout. Who Nova knives 3 people off of a point to win you the game? A Minmatar Scout. Who does every possible miscellaneous task on the battlefield to help you win a game? A minmatar scout. They aren't pure killers, they are like your swiss army knife on the battlefield. And we have a winner! If being scanned is a problem for you , you need more dampeners (3) If it's still a problem for you, you need kincats (GTFO) After this, if it's still a problem... you picked the wrong scout suit I am a MinScout primarily, it is the swiss army knifer of scouts.. Is it the best? no they all provide a diifferent role, I would say the Min is just versatile I respecc'd and have all 4 scouts, because there are some situations a Minja is the wrong option. - Backpedal speed nerf would help - More goddamn PG!! I don't see much need for other changes. I am still in favor of Code Breakers to High Slots, but I don't see that being a greater priority than fixing Commandos and Logis, and toning down the repper some so someone with one can't actually continuously heal a heavy for minutes on end. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 730	Posted - 2015.01.25 17:09:00 - [12] - Quote Backpedaling should be set at 0,5-0,7 % of movement speed. Loyal to State. Led by Tibus Heth. Not scared of death [like Admiral Yakiya Tobil-Toba]. Honour and Mission over money
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1905	Posted - 2015.01.25 17:38:00 - [13] - Quote you can sprint jump and charge in air. you will move forward quite fast catching up to your target but there are huge downsides to it: -it is hard to control or estimate where you land after jump -you spend alot of stamina for the jump which could make you end as a sitting duck -you cant navigate in air -your target might do a turn which will make you miss him
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge 819	Posted - 2015.01.26 04:10:00 - [14] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: you can sprint jump and charge in air. you will move forward quite fast catching up to your target but there are huge downsides to it: -it is hard to control or estimate where you land after jump -you spend alot of stamina for the jump which could make you end as a sitting duck -you cant navigate in air -your target might do a turn which will make you miss him But I feel so cool when I pull of the raptor attack!!! Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6069	Posted - 2015.01.26 04:11:00 - [15] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: you can sprint jump and charge in air. you will move forward quite fast catching up to your target but there are huge downsides to it: -it is hard to control or estimate where you land after jump -you spend alot of stamina for the jump which could make you end as a sitting duck -you cant navigate in air -your target might do a turn which will make you miss him + takedown is only half of the process; need stamina afterwards to make your escape. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Radec fett 15	Posted - 2015.01.26 14:57:00 - [16] - Quote Backpedal sounds nice, Adipem u said that was introduced to Rat, what did he say about it? Did he agree, disagree or considering it? All u will see is 2 slashes across your screen only to realize you have been killed by me,the minmatar scout with knives
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6076	Posted - 2015.01.26 18:57:00 - [17] - Quote Radec fett wrote: Backpedal sounds nice, Adipem u said that was introduced to Rat, what did he say about it? Did he agree, disagree or considering it? He only asked us to present our case. He did not rule on it. He did not comment. I suspect he ran it by CPM. We'll see what happens. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2132	Posted - 2015.01.26 22:55:00 - [18] - Quote Radec fett wrote: Mikel Arias wrote: Hey, if you get killed by shotgun you should have paid more attention to your surroundings. Leaving that aside, it would be interesting to try this out, the knife thing. +1 I dont mind getting killed by shotguns but when im using my proto minmatar scout, I just hate getting 1 shoted by a basic shotgun and since the minmatar scout doesn't have any ewar advantages, u have to choose between using dampener to get close to your target or precision mods to detect ppl and try to get the jump on them or to avoid them from getting the jump on u. May I remind u that: 1:the caldari and gallente scouts have a damp bonus, it only takes 1 complex damp plus their racial bonuses to avoid assault passive scans and some scouts passive scans 2: the amarr has precision, he always knows where you are even wif u have damps. My point is these suits have some ewar they just need to stack a bit of armor/shields or maybe some extra ewar mods to make them more efficient but the minmatar scout needs to get even closerthan a shotgun and its very hard to do that when someone picks u up in their radar and with such lo hit points, the fraise "a scanned scout is a dead scout" becomes a reality very quick. But hey if your a proto shotgunner, then go ahead and shoot me, I won't mind, just basic shotguns are the ones that get me going. I hate being OHK'd in my proto assault suit by a MLT shotgun, you're a scout soo...... you're whining about that why exactly? One damp on my assault suit takes me below the scan of all but scouts running scans or an actual scanner of ADV or better capabilities, so scouts are all that can see you on the map anyway, and you have a speed advantage on all of them. Once again.... you're complaining why? Low eHP? Your hitbox is half the size of mine and you can run at over 10 meters a second, all I hear is QQ. Also, a scanned anything is dead UNLESS DEFENDED PROPERLY, scout or otherwise. As for those complaining about backpedal speed, IF I SEE YOU, YOU F'D UP. So if I can stop what I'm doing and turn around and shoot you without you killing me, that's on you for failing so hard. I have the right to be able to defend myself when you mess up, simple as that. What, am I supposed to stand still while you're crashing into me so I can't get a line of sight on you while you mash R1 with your OHK autoaim knives? I think not. /thread Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
thehellisgoingon MONSTER SYNERGY 156	Posted - 2015.01.26 23:35:00 - [19] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Radec fett wrote: I wish that the knives got this charge while sprinting mechanic back, and everyone will be able to use knives while sprinting, just that the minmatar will make this weapon more efficient. ^ This would be OP. A safer and more elegant solution would be to reduce backpedal speed. Unlike other shooters, backpedal speed in Dust is 100% of forward movement speed which leaves CQC and melee fighters at distinct disadvantage. Reduce? I would like to have the abilities to sprint backwards! Don't lie you and everyone would be running backwards. Can you imagine a 12m/s scouts running backwards shooting people everywhere hahaha this game would be so awesome and totally unplayable at the same time. Ohh a speed tank minmatar sentinel lmao! When I see those thing sprint like a bat outta hell I laugh so hard. Your like, "oh he's almost dead." blinks eyes heavy is across the map Something that looks so fat should not be moving that fast. All the minmatar stuff are fun as hell. What was the topic?
Radec fett 15	Posted - 2015.01.27 16:27:00 - [20] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Radec fett wrote: Mikel Arias wrote: Hey, if you get killed by shotgun you should have paid more attention to your surroundings. Leaving that aside, it would be interesting to try this out, the knife thing. +1 I dont mind getting killed by shotguns but when im using my proto minmatar scout, I just hate getting 1 shoted by a basic shotgun since the minmatar scout doesn't have any ewar advantages, u have to choose between using dampener to get close to your target or precision mods to detect ppl and try to get the jump on them or to avoid them from getting the jump on u. May I remind u that: 1:the caldari and gallente scouts have a damp bonus, it only takes 1 complex damp plus their racial bonuses to avoid assault passive scans and some scouts passive scans 2: the amarr has precision, he always knows where you are even wif u have damps. My point is these suits have some ewar they just need to stack a bit of armor/shields or maybe some extra ewar mods to make them more efficient but the minmatar scout needs to get even closerthan a shotgun and its very hard to do that when someone picks u up in their radar and with such lo hit points, the fraise "a scanned scout is a dead scout" becomes a reality very quick. But hey if your a proto shotgunner, then go ahead and shoot me, I won't mind, just basic shotguns are the ones that get me going. I hate being OHK'd in my proto assault suit by a MLT shotgun, you're a scout soo...... you're whining about that why exactly? One damp on my assault suit takes me below the scan of all but scouts running scans or an actual scanner of ADV or better capabilities, so scouts are all that can see you on the map anyway, and you have a speed advantage on all of them. Once again.... you're complaining why? Low eHP? Your hitbox is half the size of mine and you can run at over 10 meters a second, all I hear is QQ. Also, a scanned anything is dead UNLESS DEFENDED PROPERLY, scout or otherwise. As for those complaining about backpedal speed, IF I SEE YOU, YOU F'D UP. So if I can stop what I'm doing and turn around and shoot you without you killing me, that's on you for failing so hard. I have the right to be able to defend myself when you mess up, simple as that. What, am I supposed to stand still while you're crashing into me so I can't get a line of sight on you while you mash R1 with your OHK autoaim knives? I think not. /thread .30 of speed advantage isn't much of a difference trying to catch up to a scout to knife him while you are both sprinting is a waste of time because it will take forever unless you are using kin cats, oh and by the way, its imposible to get ohk by a militia shotgun when you are in a proto assault suit, if u do get ohk, then u don't know how to fit a proto assault suit. Anyway you're negativity isn't welcome in this thread, this isn't a "QQ" thread, this is a thread for ideas on said suit, I bet u don't even run minmatar scout, maybe thats why u sound so stupid and naive. All u will see is 2 slashes across your screen only to realize you have been killed by me,the minmatar scout with knives

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10898	Posted - 2015.01.27 17:24:00 - [21] - Quote shaman oga wrote: It was a glitch, not a feature. This. I've been here since closed beta and I have seen two instances in which this glitch existed and was later removed each time after I reported it to CCP. Originally I was in favor of keeping it as a feature but then the knives and Minscout got overhauled with buffs that made the sprint-charge idea become very OP. At that point, I retracted my support for the sprint-charge and decided it would be for the best that we keep the Minscout as it is right now so as to avoid CCP's nerf bat. The only issue I have right now is the Nova Knife Fitting Optimization skill book which is only useful up to level 3. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Finn Colman Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 132	Posted - 2015.01.27 23:20:00 - [22] - Quote I recall Rattati at one point promising that they would work on the backpedal speed, some months ago... PSA: Tell players to terminate in order to access mCRUs.
Pseudogenesis Nos Nothi 1459	Posted - 2015.01.28 11:45:00 - [23] - Quote Finn Colman wrote: I recall Rattati at one point promising that they would work on the backpedal speed, some months ago... Well I recall him saying it this morning. CCP Rattati wrote: myofibs and back pedal speed up next. Beat that! Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.


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