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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.01.21 21:14:00 -
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I'm not really sure why the Atlas uses a forge.
The forge gun is a Caldari weapon. The Atlas is a Gallente heavy. Caldari and Gallente are mortal foes. APEX is meant to be racially appropriate. This is not racially appropriate.
It makes far more sense for the Gallente to use a Minmatar item, seeing as they are close allies rather than mortal foes.
Sometimes, one just has an overwhelming urge to throw a potato at someone.
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Kain Spero
Negative-Feedback
4317
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Posted - 2015.01.21 21:24:00 -
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Rattati mentioned that they are looking into making the suits modifiable with limited CPU and PG, so that would largely solve the issue.
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Super Sniper95
Red Star.
545
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Posted - 2015.01.21 23:09:00 -
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Well happens the same with the APEX Amarr heavy holding a HMG. You gonna tell me to change it for a FG?
"I'm Jehova Witness and I don't believe on this sh*t". = Somebody I know.
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2015.01.22 06:19:00 -
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Super Sniper95 wrote:Well happens the same with the APEX Amarr heavy holding a HMG. You gonna tell me to change it for a FG?
This guy has a point ^
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
15389
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Posted - 2015.01.22 06:53:00 -
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These fittings, and in fact all of them, were based on the best advice from veteran players.
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.01.22 07:04:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:These fittings, and in fact all of them, were based on the best advice from veteran players.
Who asked for this, specifically? o_O
Some of the APEX fits have some really weird things going on.
Why is there a range amplifier on the Rasetsu? It gives literally 1m more long scan range, is that really a good use of a slot?
The dampener on the spartan is distinctly odd as well.
The amplifier is slightly more reasonable on the Amarr scout, but it's still a terrible module - a 5% increase is simply not worth fitting.
All of this and more would be solved if we could tweak the APEX fits even slightly. It would be ludicrously OP to allow full fitting of course, but if you could tweak little things like the variant of weapon you're using I imagine APEX would be more desirable.
Sometimes, one just has an overwhelming urge to throw a potato at someone.
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Alex-ZX
Valor Coalition
Red Whines.
175
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Posted - 2015.01.22 07:18:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:These fittings, and in fact all of them, were based on the best advice from veteran players.
I completely respect what u said, but some of them doesn't look like they were think by veterans. And the main issue is that we all want another thing or things in those fittings... I'm not saying they sux or anything but that is what many think " i would put x thing instead of z thing"
*Alex's modified ZX-030 HMG
Luis' modified VC-107 CR
Alex's modified VC-107 SMG* Owner of this beasts
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LAVALLOIS Nash
460
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Posted - 2015.01.22 07:40:00 -
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Yeah at first I was hoping that they would use "lore" for things needed for fittings. Since the Amarr-Caldari and Gallente-Minmatar are somewhat allied, I figured they would source from eachother. It would be one of the tangible benefits of that alliance that us Dust players could reach out and touch.
Imagine if the Gal scout had Republic remote mines or like you said, Gal has the republic HMG and such. Empires helping eachother with their own supply line shortfalls in the stocking of Apex fits. |
thehellisgoingon
MONSTER SYNERGY
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Posted - 2015.01.22 08:15:00 -
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If your apex heavy has a forge you got the wrong one kiddo |
deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
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Posted - 2015.01.22 09:11:00 -
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This is why APEX should just be locked to meta level 1 and we can fit what we want. |
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Justicar Karnellia
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
902
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Posted - 2015.01.22 09:16:00 -
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I think this will be solved when we (finally) get the other racial heavy weapons.... |
Stupid Blueberry
Pure Evil.
Capital Punishment.
960
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Posted - 2015.01.22 10:08:00 -
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A scanner on the Hawk scout is downright insulting. Seriously.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Haajakin Kalen.
Blueberry smokin' that crack y'all
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
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Posted - 2015.01.22 10:50:00 -
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Gallente and Caldari use Hybrid weapons, hence Forge gun.
Amarr and Minmatar are in close proximity and share the same weapon tech due to minmatar slaves sticking with the Amarr, hence HMG.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
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Breakin Stuff
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.01.22 11:13:00 -
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Also in theory because amarr suits can't stack damage mods which are useless on anthing but the breach anyway.
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castba
Rogue Instincts
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Posted - 2015.01.22 12:45:00 -
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Each alliance needs a heavy with an Hmg and a heavy with a forge.
Hmg is min tech so obviously the min heavy gets it which means that the other heavy in the alliance needs to wield the heavy AV weapon.
I thought this was obvious and logical...
"When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.01.22 12:49:00 -
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castba wrote:Each alliance needs a heavy with an Hmg and a heavy with a forge.
Hmg is min tech so obviously the min heavy gets it which means that the other heavy in the alliance (Gal) needs to wield the heavy AV weapon.
I thought this was obvious and logical...
More obvious and logical would be that each alliance would use their own weapons.
Sometimes, one just has an overwhelming urge to throw a potato at someone.
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castba
Rogue Instincts
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Posted - 2015.01.22 13:48:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:castba wrote:Each alliance needs a heavy with an Hmg and a heavy with a forge.
Hmg is min tech so obviously the min heavy gets it which means that the other heavy in the alliance (Gal) needs to wield the heavy AV weapon.
I thought this was obvious and logical... More obvious and logical would be that each alliance would use their own weapons.
True... but we really need the other heavy weapons for that.
"When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
General Tso's Alliance
371
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Posted - 2015.01.22 14:18:00 -
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It only makes sense to have two with HMG's and two with Forgeguns. I actually have both Amarr and Gallente heavies proto'd out and I use my Gallente with a forgegun 90% of the time.
G.L.O.R.Y Soldier,
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Ku Shala
The Generals
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Posted - 2015.01.22 17:38:00 -
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well as request by the gallentes remove they caldari tech weapon and replace it with ..... nothing you are now a melee heavy because you lack tech .........
-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (CK-0 Specialist)
Caldari Loyalist
Tiger Style
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Vitharr Foebane
Terminal Courtesy
Proficiency V.
2221
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Posted - 2015.01.22 17:51:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:castba wrote:Each alliance needs a heavy with an Hmg and a heavy with a forge.
Hmg is min tech so obviously the min heavy gets it which means that the other heavy in the alliance (Gal) needs to wield the heavy AV weapon.
I thought this was obvious and logical... More obvious and logical would be that each alliance would use their own weapons.
get them to give us our racial heavy weapons =.=
Amarr Omnisoldier: Assault, Commando, Logistics, Scout, Sentinel at V
My faith is in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
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Vesta Opalus
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.22 21:18:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:These fittings, and in fact all of them, were based on the best advice from veteran players.
None of the fits should be using an AV weapon, they are intended to be an entry level blueprint suit that you can actually fight in and take some deaths in without breaking the bank. AV stinks overall, and even if you disagree with that Im pretty sure almost everyone agrees that basic/militia AV sucks so hard its almost useless. Any APEX fit with an AV focus needs to be reworked so that its useful in a more general context, in other words: you need an HMG on heavy suits.
The only AV that we should be seeing on these is the plasma cannon. |
True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.01.22 21:44:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I'm not really sure why the Atlas uses a forge.
The forge gun is a Caldari weapon. The Atlas is a Gallente heavy. Caldari and Gallente are mortal foes. APEX is meant to be racially appropriate. This is not racially appropriate.
It makes far more sense for the Gallente to use a Minmatar item, seeing as they are close allies rather than mortal foes.
More likely to use a Railgun given the weapon is originally gallente tech and uses already developed hybrid charges over an inferior projectile weapon.
*"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
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wiseguy12
Sector Combat Solutions and Logistics
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Posted - 2015.01.22 22:28:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I'm not really sure why the Atlas uses a forge.
The forge gun is a Caldari weapon. The Atlas is a Gallente heavy. Caldari and Gallente are mortal foes. APEX is meant to be racially appropriate. This is not racially appropriate.
It makes far more sense for the Gallente to use a Minmatar item, seeing as they are close allies rather than mortal foes.
Caldari and gallente are in a war not mortal foes in fact it is a much like the American civil the caldari tried to leave they got into an argument and boom. Caldari companies sell their weapons to the minmattar. So the reason the gallente got that forge because of that alliance that way both sides have a forge.
Pro Caldari assault and sentinel.
Proto magsec, Forgegun, sniper, HMG, and Rail Rifle
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
559
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Posted - 2015.01.23 00:01:00 -
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I got my APEX specifically BECAUSE I wanted the forge 
I am, in fact, quite happy with it. |
Super Sniper95
Red Star.
547
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Posted - 2015.01.23 00:21:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:These fittings, and in fact all of them, were based on the best advice from veteran players.
Lol those veterans.
"I'm Jehova Witness and I don't believe on this sh*t". = Somebody I know.
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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD
RUST415
686
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Posted - 2015.01.23 02:55:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:These fittings, and in fact all of them, were based on the best advice from veteran players.
Gallente screwed once more.
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Vyuru
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.23 05:18:00 -
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Sorry, I like the forge gun on my Atlas.
CCP, kindly keep it on. |
KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
1750
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Posted - 2015.01.23 13:35:00 -
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Can't understand all this "racial purity" or "racial parity" nonsense.
Not every country/faction/corporation produces tools for every situation.
Thinking about factions armies - why would they not use a well designed specialist weapon when they have the need?
You see, the weps aren't exclusive to factions.
The current conflict between factions hasn't lasted for nonstop for eternity. There have been opportunities for factional armies' doctrines and tools to mix.
If looking at system stats of New Eden, there ARE many corporations operating in every factions space. Including those corps founded in opposing factions space. EVEN ones closely tied to the gov's. For example,
Oppold IX - Moon 19 - Imperial Armaments Factory ( Amarr Industrial Station ) in Minmatar space
Amarr VIII (Oris) - Moon 4 - Expert Distribution Retail Center ( Caldari Trading Station ) in Amarr home system(!)
Mabnen VIII - Moon 2 - The Scope Development Studio ( Gallente Military Station ) in Amarr Space
One argument stands though: it would not make sense for a factional army to use tools from opposing loyalty store.
But all of those are mostly about factional armies. Clone militias are more mixed.
And more importantly:
All dust players are mercenaries.
Mercs tend to fight for profit, mercs tend to use any tools that best suit them.
TLDR:
I don't appreciate lore that much. But trying to force everything under same mold because of lore makes no sense; not even lore supports that.
Pro-choice!
For hazardous self-activated inertial dampeners!
We want to live on the edge (((of MCC)))
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DJINN Jecture
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
219
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Posted - 2015.01.23 15:47:00 -
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So the APEX suit is the pre made fit sold by CCP on the market right? It may not be my place to say but if you don't like it train your skills and fit the appropriate suit and mods, don't complain its not the right one, there are only 2 types of heavy weapons, both are good depending on you're terrain and opposition so to say one is wrong, well strikes me as odd. What is odd is that we have no racial heavy weapons for the amarr or gallente.
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DDx77
The Exemplars
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.01.23 21:15:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:These fittings, and in fact all of them, were based on the best advice from veteran players.
....advice from veterans who hate the Caldari.........
Sniper rifle on commando
Rr on scout
Forge on sentinel |
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Nomed Deeps
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Posted - 2015.01.23 21:18:00 -
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There are a few that like that APEX suit as is as they are skilled with a Forge Gun. What we need are highly requested APEX variants available for sale. 
I cannot be bought, but I can be leased.
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DJINN Jecture
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.24 16:13:00 -
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If the only benefit these APEX suits have is ease of purchase for use then I will tell you what I do when I derp and run out of suits. I go to my fit screen and restock the fit I want, at one nice convenient price, the Apex suits are restock-able in the same way and seem more like a derp suit (yes I run heavy too) than something useful.
Quote:CCP this is Vetran advice, take note, get better at fitting. The suit sucks and I don't like it.
Specializing is what makes a suit strong, not having 1 more meter of scan range. As a damage dealer heavy a damage mod is preferred or more tank or both plus regenerative abilities for when there are no Logibros like myself around to use their boundless wp building tools to repair the heavy suits.
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