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HOLY PERFECTION
G.L.O.R.Y
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.21 08:04:00 -
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Logis are really underpowered due to problems with light suits. Light suits, mostly scouts, have too much armor and too many equipment slots. A scout can run around like "Mario" and kill everything with RE`s and shotguns. Now that is understandable to a point to where you cannot even a hit marker in him. Going back to the point scouts have too many equipment slots and too much armor. Top three reasons why scouts are taking over a logis job:
1) Too many equipment slots
2) Way too much armor
3) Too small/ fast to even get a hit marker on them.
Now its not the scouts fault, mainly logistics are really underpowered suit wise. By this I mean they DO NOT have enough armor and shield. A logis job is to help its team out any way necessary. 95% of the time your right by the enemy all the time. So when you get bombarded by shotguns, mass drivers, grenades, heavys, plasma cannons, RE`s ( Remote Explosives), and rail rifles it gets annoying really fast. So logis need more armor and shields because they take most of the hits.
HERE ARE SOME SOLUTIONS BELOW THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT AND AGREE/DISAGREE AND MAKE SUGGESTIONS
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uXwapEw8FS3snKaSblL-ZOYzd3XpW5kTEzoA-HqnuQw/edit?usp=sharing
If the graph doesnt download I will re- post it.
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
2337
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Posted - 2015.01.21 08:07:00 -
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You already made this exact post. Word for word...
And you didn't even fix the spreadsheet at all. I pointed out its flaws to you  .
Home at Last <3
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Syeven Reed
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
1191
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Posted - 2015.01.21 08:08:00 -
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You really have to stop with these posts...
SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED
EvE - 21 Day Trial
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demonkiller 12
The Rainbow Effect
Negative-Feedback
464
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Posted - 2015.01.21 08:13:00 -
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Holy, you play this game far too little to have so much to say about it, like I saw you on maybe 4 times from beginning of december to 10th or so of january, and every single one of those days I was pulling 14 hours and sometimes 48 hour dust shifts
and I very rarely saw you on and same of the rest of the corp |
Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
1863
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Posted - 2015.01.21 09:45:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:You already made this exact post. Word for word... And you didn't even fix the spreadsheet at all. I pointed out its flaws to you .
holy moly, I agree with Fizzer, never thought that could happen  |
Supacharjed
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
129
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Posted - 2015.01.21 09:47:00 -
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Dude, you need some help.
Has been playing Dust for ages.
Can't aim for peanuts.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1812
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Posted - 2015.01.21 10:09:00 -
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In Eve you have two choices for logi. You can either be small and fast or be a big slow tank that is tough to restroy but really your team has to come to you. I think we should have a similar idea here where we have a light suit logi that can only carry lower grade repair equipment or a fat slow heavy type suit that carries higher grade equipment but really can not move much on its own. The heavier suit should not be able to operate a vehicle at all but can ride as a passenger.
To achieve this effect a new version of current equipment would be created one that has been highly nerfed and one that has been highly buffed. The buffed ones would have outrageously high CPU/PG requirements so that it can not be used on any suit and the heavy logi would receive a role bonus making this possible. The use of multiple large grade pieces of equipment should significantly negate the ability to tank and it should have minimal high and low slots even at proto level.
Both suits would have only 1 light weapon slot.
The heavy logi would start with similar eHP to each races commando suit and receive bonus resistances per level to all types of weapon damage. This suit would be far slower than even a sentinel but be able to jump a bit higher to atleast get over curbs. Since this could still become something only a heavy can fight it could possibly only have a sidearm slot instead of a light weapon.
The light logi would receive bonuses to speed and passive scans per level. Passive scans should be relative to the current scout eWar setup only scaled down a little bit. |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
1573
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Posted - 2015.01.21 10:21:00 -
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Just make it less expensive.
Crush them
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The Eristic
Dust 90210
705
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Posted - 2015.01.21 10:27:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:Just make it less expensive.
Pretty much all equipment (except REs, which should probably cost more) costs a bit too much.
Reality is the original Rorschach.
Verily! So much for all that.
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Meee One
Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki
1476
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Posted - 2015.01.21 10:54:00 -
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The Eristic wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:Just make it less expensive. Pretty much all equipment (except REs, which should probably cost more) costs a bit too much.
+1
Logistics wouldn't be UP if were balanced.
In every game ever made you can either be fast and evasive but easily killed (scouts).
Or durable and slow.(heavies)
Or even a "jack of all trades" (supposedly assaults) and suffer because you didn't pick speed or eHP.(which isn't happening)
Until Dust 514,i've never encountered a loss of survival by speed and eHP to be a requirement for a role,literally every other game i've played has always given one in exchange for the other.
I've even encountered the following:
"Low eHP and speed? Here take some damage resistance."
And this was done by a game company that's been around for 10 years?
Crazy!
Assaults are on the opposite end of the scale,suffering the same imbalances just with more approval from CCP.
And balancing logistics would require CCP to balance assaults,a thing they just don't want to do.
So,they'll happily let logistics rot,just so assaults can stay OP.
Official Blueberry of the Forums.
Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
3156
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Posted - 2015.01.21 10:58:00 -
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Okay, first I have to get this obligatory link out of the way.
HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Top three reasons why scouts are taking over a logis job:
1) Too many equipment slots
I completely agree on this. I feel that Scouts should have 1 Equipment Slot and 1 spot that can only fit the Cloak. My Caldari Scout has the same number of Equipment Slots as a basic Caldari/Amarr Scout. That is lame.
HOLY PERFECTION wrote:
2) Way too much armor
How is this the Logistics 'jerb'? A Logistics role in the battlefield is to utilize equipment and bonuses for said equipment to help their team. To accomplish this, they receive more Equipment slots than any other suit and get bonuses to help with specific equipment. How is a Scout having "way too much armor" encroaching upon that role?
HOLY PERFECTION wrote:
3) Too small/ fast to even get a hit marker on them.
How is this the Logistics 'jerb'? A Logistics role in the battlefield is to utilize equipment and bonuses for said equipment to help their team. To accomplish this, they receive more Equipment slots than any other suit and get bonuses to help with specific equipment. How is a Scout being small and fast encroaching on that role?
HOLY PERFECTION wrote:I mean [Logistics] DO NOT have enough armor and shield. A logis job is to help its team out any way necessary. 95% of the time your right by the enemy all the time. So when you get bombarded by shotguns, mass drivers, grenades, heavys, plasma cannons, RE`s ( Remote Explosives), and rail rifles it gets annoying really fast. So logis need more armor and shields because they take most of the hits.
This is a really silly argument. "Logis are there to help their team out any way they can. Most of the time, that involves being in combat, so Logistics needs more health." Your conclusion also does not follow. Logistics do not take most of the hits and it certainly doesn't make sense to say "Logistics are support, supports are in close range, therefore Logis take most of the hits and need more Armor and Shield." I have an argument for Scouts then:
"Scouts job is to help their team in anyway they can. This usually means being invisible and flanking the enemy. Flanking the enemy usually means running around them. Scouts needs more damage because they are usually running."
The only things I would change about Logistics, at least the only things I can think of with this headache I have from too little sleep, are reducing the insane price of equipment, giving Caldari/Amarr Logistics 3 Equipment Slots at basic level, and possibly making the scaling on Uplinks less sharp (+50%, +8%, -21%).
"This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1812
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Posted - 2015.01.21 11:32:00 -
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A more thought out proposal to logistics suits changes. |
All Gucci
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
General Tso's Alliance
77
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Posted - 2015.01.21 14:18:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:You already made this exact post. Word for word... And you didn't even fix the spreadsheet at all. I pointed out its flaws to you . holy moly, I agree with Fizzer, never thought that could happen
Every time I see your name dude I laugh at how goofy and lame I know you are in real life.....you aren't funny notice the zero likes above your quote? so what's up? you ignoring my 1v1challenge? if you want I'll tell sax to blur out your name when he posts your ass whoopin and **** or just let me know what server you tend to play on and Ill stick to that server untill I have the glory of making you cry ingame 
Emperor Gucci
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RayRay James
Titans of Phoenix
VP Gaming Alliance
909
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Posted - 2015.01.21 14:32:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:
This is a really silly argument. "Logis are there to help their team out any way they can. Most of the time, that involves being in combat, so Logistics needs more health." Your conclusion also does not follow. Logistics do not take most of the hits and it certainly doesn't make sense to say "Logistics are support, supports are in close range, therefore Logis take most of the hits and need more Armor and Shield."
I would argue that based on our suits that are painted in "LOOK!!! Here I am!!" Yellow, Logi's are the first targeted once in the open. If a logi is around a corner, repping a Heavy in a hallway then sure, we're not the first target. Step out in that same hallway and fire switches from the heavy to the logi in a second. With us gone, the redberries can finally kill that heavy.
I know this, as I play both sides of that coin. I'm nearly always a logi in some aspect. I also try and kill the opposing team. If I realize there's a logi helping the other team while I'm trying to kill them, you're damn sure I'm taking the logi out as soon as I can.
As a logi, I'd love some better armor and shields, with the requisite speed to keep up. What it would take to balance them out again so that everyone doesn't switch back to the Slayer Logi of old, I don't know
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Vulpes Dolosus
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2851
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Posted - 2015.01.21 14:56:00 -
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Logis do need a look but there's no way a scout is taking a logi's job.
Dust is there! I was real!
Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
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HOLY PERFECTION
G.L.O.R.Y
General Tso's Alliance
10
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Posted - 2015.01.22 00:08:00 -
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All Gucci wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:You already made this exact post. Word for word... And you didn't even fix the spreadsheet at all. I pointed out its flaws to you . holy moly, I agree with Fizzer, never thought that could happen Every time I see your name dude I laugh at how goofy and lame I know you are in real life.....you aren't funny notice the zero likes above your quote? so what's up? you ignoring my 1v1challenge? if you want I'll tell sax to blur out your name when he posts your ass whoopin and **** or just let me know what server you tend to play on and Ill stick to that server untill I have the glory of making you cry ingame
Dude i accepted your request and i said on sat or sunday. Sorry i have to do stuff on in the week. Oh and by the way dont hate on my game. Ohh.. ps nice nice grammar.
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HOLY PERFECTION
G.L.O.R.Y
General Tso's Alliance
10
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Posted - 2015.01.22 00:13:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:You already made this exact post. Word for word... And you didn't even fix the spreadsheet at all. I pointed out its flaws to you .
Thanks for the positive support. Just trying to get my point out there @#$%%$#
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
1577
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Posted - 2015.01.22 00:43:00 -
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How about a DMG reduction to light arms fire of every type
Crush them
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
2352
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Posted - 2015.01.22 00:45:00 -
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HOLY PERFECTION wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:You already made this exact post. Word for word... And you didn't even fix the spreadsheet at all. I pointed out its flaws to you . Thanks for the positive support. Just trying to get my point out there @#$%%$#
You can never submit an idea and expect no criticism. Deal with it.
Home at Last <3
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J0LLY R0G3R
And the ButtPirates
1849
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Posted - 2015.01.22 02:06:00 -
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Something along the lines of :
You are a bad logi if a scout can do it better than you. XD
TLDR : Last Dust Montage
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HOLY PERFECTION
G.L.O.R.Y
General Tso's Alliance
10
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Posted - 2015.01.22 02:55:00 -
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Ha im a bad logi but i pull in no less than 3500 WP a battle. Commmmmmon, commmmon
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Denchlad 7
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
1657
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Posted - 2015.01.22 03:09:00 -
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These kind of threads make me wish we couldn't respawn.
"Why build ontop of foundations that aren't solid?"
HRI -> TUL -> FC -> ML -> TLoD -> RE -> DMG
Pilot & Assault.
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