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Mobius Wyvern
Sky-FIRE
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Posted - 2015.01.19 15:31:00 -
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Before anyone freaks out, just let me explain this.
Those of us who were around through Chromosome and up to 1.7 probably remember how Logistics vehicles were just better at everything than their "Basic" chassis. Part of the issue was that they had more HP, the same number of weapons, and better CPU and PG.
Now, there were also issues with using them for their intended roles thanks to the extremely balky lock-on mechanic for repairs, and how breaking the lock at any time would cancel the reps but not the module cycle, making them not that useful in a really chaotic situation.
What I would propose is that Remote Repair systems use turrets slots in order to both allow them to repair more effectively, and also to differentiate them from the other vehicle roles and make them more than just straight upgrades to the "Basic" chassis.
This would mean that you would have the OPTION to use Small Turrets or Repair modules as you so choose. As well, in the case of the Logistics Dropship, using the repair module would be far easier thanks to the camera rotation changes put in to allow for the Assault Dropship to perform better.
Just an idea.
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Zaria Min Deir
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.01.19 15:34:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Before anyone freaks out, just let me explain this.
Those of us who were around through Chromosome and up to 1.7 probably remember how Logistics vehicles were just better at everything than their "Basic" chassis. Part of the issue was that they had more HP, the same number of weapons, and better CPU and PG.
Now, there were also issues with using them for their intended roles thanks to the extremely balky lock-on mechanic for repairs, and how breaking the lock at any time would cancel the reps but not the module cycle, making them not that useful in a really chaotic situation.
What I would propose is that Remote Repair systems use turrets slots in order to both allow them to repair more effectively, and also to differentiate them from the other vehicle roles and make them more than just straight upgrades to the "Basic" chassis.
This would mean that you would have the OPTION to use Small Turrets or Repair modules as you so choose. As well, in the case of the Logistics Dropship, using the repair module would be far easier thanks to the camera rotation changes put in to allow for the Assault Dropship to perform better.
Just an idea.
This idea is too good, needs nerf.
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
1850
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Posted - 2015.01.19 15:36:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Before anyone freaks out, just let me explain this.
Those of us who were around through Chromosome and up to 1.7 probably remember how Logistics vehicles were just better at everything than their "Basic" chassis.
better at everything? didnt they had a huge rof penalty
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Lazer Fo Cused
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
532
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Posted - 2015.01.19 15:45:00 -
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1. No
2. Does it take 2 to use an infantry rep tool? Do i need a second player to hold the rep tool while i aim onto a target?
3. It will take 2 now - 1 to use the vehicle and 1 to use the rep gun - Yet it will still take 1 AV player to outright kill the vehicle and both players - Not that 1:1 ratio you AV players are banging on about |
shaman oga
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.01.19 16:39:00 -
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This was suggested in this model too. I don't agree with it, i would prefer blocking main turret when module is active to not let spider tanking be too much powerful.
Have a turret instead of a module would require a crew of 2 to heal one vehicle, a module which block the turret would be more like a logi repping another player.
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Thaddeus Reynolds
Facepunch Security
164
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Posted - 2015.01.19 17:35:00 -
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Lazer Fo Cused wrote:1. No
2. Does it take 2 to use an infantry rep tool? Do i need a second player to hold the rep tool while i aim onto a target?
3. It will take 2 now - 1 to use the vehicle and 1 to use the rep gun - Yet it will still take 1 AV player to outright kill the vehicle and both players - Not that 1:1 ratio you AV players are banging on about
I don't agree with the idea of turrets Lazer...and it doesn't take 2 infantry to use a rep tool, but the infantryman using a rep tool can't use their weapon at the same...now this is only an issue on Assault Vehicles (ADS and all HAVs), but is still an issue that needs addressed, but only for those platforms. The pilot or driver in a logistics vehicle should have control over their own reps (or a primary rep), just as an assault vehicle pilot or drive has control over their own primary weapon
Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper.
I believe all these roles are support for front line soldiers.
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Vulpes Dolosus
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2846
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Posted - 2015.01.19 17:43:00 -
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I support this completely original idea.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
2798
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Posted - 2015.01.19 18:24:00 -
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If the logi LAV doesn't rep in an AoE, then it's useless.
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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
2709
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Posted - 2015.01.19 22:14:00 -
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Thaddeus Reynolds wrote:Lazer Fo Cused wrote:1. No
2. Does it take 2 to use an infantry rep tool? Do i need a second player to hold the rep tool while i aim onto a target?
3. It will take 2 now - 1 to use the vehicle and 1 to use the rep gun - Yet it will still take 1 AV player to outright kill the vehicle and both players - Not that 1:1 ratio you AV players are banging on about I don't agree with the idea of remot rep turrets either Lazer...and it doesn't take 2 infantry to use a rep tool, but the infantryman using a rep tool can't use their weapon at the same...now this is only an issue on Assault Vehicles (ADS and all HAVs), but is still an issue that needs addressed, but only for those platforms. The pilot or driver in a logistics vehicle should have control over their own reps (or a primary rep), just as an assault vehicle pilot or drive has control over their own primary weapon
A LLV had a 50% damage reduction, and you could shoot a gunner out, as well as the fact that a pilot didn't have control of the small turret.
That thing you pointed out isn't really a issue. The only place it would fit in is say a Spider tanking HAV, which is a entirely different thing, as the fit is made to do that.
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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
2709
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Posted - 2015.01.19 22:16:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:If the logi LAV doesn't rep in an AoE, then it's useless.
It's infantry rep, sure. a actual remote rep? That would be silly.
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
2314
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Posted - 2015.01.19 22:39:00 -
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+1 Repairers should always be active. Nobody should be able to shoot and repair their allies at the same time.
Small repair turrets just sounds like a good way to encourage more team play for vehicle pilots.
In my mind, I'm imagining a MAV with 2 Repair turrets and 2 actual turrets, with a MCRU inside. A setup like this could potentially act as an extremely powerful spawn point and point defense gaurd.
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Thaddeus Reynolds
Facepunch Security
164
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Posted - 2015.01.19 23:07:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Thaddeus Reynolds wrote:Lazer Fo Cused wrote:1. No
2. Does it take 2 to use an infantry rep tool? Do i need a second player to hold the rep tool while i aim onto a target?
3. It will take 2 now - 1 to use the vehicle and 1 to use the rep gun - Yet it will still take 1 AV player to outright kill the vehicle and both players - Not that 1:1 ratio you AV players are banging on about I don't agree with the idea of remot rep turrets either Lazer...and it doesn't take 2 infantry to use a rep tool, but the infantryman using a rep tool can't use their weapon at the same...now this is only an issue on Assault Vehicles (ADS and all HAVs), but is still an issue that needs addressed, but only for those platforms. The pilot or driver in a logistics vehicle should have control over their own reps (or a primary rep), just as an assault vehicle pilot or drive has control over their own primary weapon A LLV had a 50% damage reduction, and you could shoot a gunner out, as well as the fact that a pilot didn't have control of the small turret. That thing you pointed out isn't really a issue. The only place it would fit in is say a Spider tanking HAV, which is a entirely different thing, as the fit is made to do that.
My point is that a Logi vehicle pilot should have control over at least one of their own reps, if that means giving them an aspected turret that they control, so be it...but it would look a bit awkward to put a second turret on an LAV (but would also allow for an Assault LAV...)
Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper.
I believe all these roles are support for front line soldiers.
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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
2709
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Posted - 2015.01.20 00:11:00 -
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Thaddeus Reynolds wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Thaddeus Reynolds wrote:Lazer Fo Cused wrote:1. No
2. Does it take 2 to use an infantry rep tool? Do i need a second player to hold the rep tool while i aim onto a target?
3. It will take 2 now - 1 to use the vehicle and 1 to use the rep gun - Yet it will still take 1 AV player to outright kill the vehicle and both players - Not that 1:1 ratio you AV players are banging on about I don't agree with the idea of remot rep turrets either Lazer...and it doesn't take 2 infantry to use a rep tool, but the infantryman using a rep tool can't use their weapon at the same...now this is only an issue on Assault Vehicles (ADS and all HAVs), but is still an issue that needs addressed, but only for those platforms. The pilot or driver in a logistics vehicle should have control over their own reps (or a primary rep), just as an assault vehicle pilot or drive has control over their own primary weapon A LLV had a 50% damage reduction, and you could shoot a gunner out, as well as the fact that a pilot didn't have control of the small turret. That thing you pointed out isn't really a issue. The only place it would fit in is say a Spider tanking HAV, which is a entirely different thing, as the fit is made to do that. My point is that a Logi vehicle pilot should have control over at least one of their own reps, if that means giving them an aspected turret that they control, so be it...but it would look a bit awkward to put a second turret on an LAV (but would also allow for an Assault LAV...)
LAV's really need a redesign, but two turrets would be kinda silly. Also, we don't have enough buttons (or hand) for that to even work really, and infinite reps would be OP, unless toned down, or had a heat function.
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DUST Fiend
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
15597
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Posted - 2015.01.20 03:15:00 -
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Ive proposed and supported this same concept in the past, it would be really good for teamwork, and could also have versions to heal infantry insteadof vehicles. I think pilot controlled remote reps should also be a thing, just handled differently somehow.
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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
2709
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Posted - 2015.01.20 04:55:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Ive proposed and supported this same concept in the past, it would be really good for teamwork, and could also have versions to heal infantry Instead of vehicles. I think pilot controlled remote reps should also be a thing, just handled differently somehow.
Or.
Give logi dropships a front mounted turret too, then make it so only logi turrets can be fit on the front (and CANT be fit as an ADS front turret)
A repping DS is ******* stupid, in concept, and in practice.
Also not all logi vehicles should be reppers.
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Lazer Fo Cused
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
549
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Posted - 2015.01.20 13:33:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:+1 Repairers should always be active. Nobody should be able to shoot and repair their allies at the same time.
Small repair turrets just sounds like a good way to encourage more team play for vehicle pilots.
In my mind, I'm imagining a MAV with 2 Repair turrets and 2 actual turrets, with a MCRU inside. A setup like this could potentially act as an extremely powerful spawn point and point defense gaurd.
1. So you support all logi rep tools for infantry requiring 2 players to use it, 1 to aim and the other to lock on for example? |
Mobius Wyvern
Sky-FIRE
5669
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Posted - 2015.01.22 02:48:00 -
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Lazer Fo Cused wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:+1 Repairers should always be active. Nobody should be able to shoot and repair their allies at the same time.
Small repair turrets just sounds like a good way to encourage more team play for vehicle pilots.
In my mind, I'm imagining a MAV with 2 Repair turrets and 2 actual turrets, with a MCRU inside. A setup like this could potentially act as an extremely powerful spawn point and point defense gaurd. 1. So you support all logi rep tools for infantry requiring 2 players to use it, 1 to aim and the other to lock on for example? Um, I may be totally off here, but isn't the whole point of all the fuss everyone makes over vehicles is that they should require teamwork to be viable while infantry aren't constrained the same way?
As far back as I can remember, the idea that an infantry player can be perfectly viable solo has always been acceptable, but the same for a vehicle is considered imbalanced.
Just, you know, trying to keep it real here.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.01.22 03:43:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Lazer Fo Cused wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:+1 Repairers should always be active. Nobody should be able to shoot and repair their allies at the same time.
Small repair turrets just sounds like a good way to encourage more team play for vehicle pilots.
In my mind, I'm imagining a MAV with 2 Repair turrets and 2 actual turrets, with a MCRU inside. A setup like this could potentially act as an extremely powerful spawn point and point defense gaurd. 1. So you support all logi rep tools for infantry requiring 2 players to use it, 1 to aim and the other to lock on for example? Um, I may be totally off here, but isn't the whole point of all the fuss everyone makes over vehicles is that they should require teamwork to be viable while infantry aren't constrained the same way? As far back as I can remember, the idea that an infantry player can be perfectly viable solo has always been acceptable, but the same for a vehicle is considered imbalanced. Just, you know, trying to keep it real here. plz nurf vehicles moar
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