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FLAY LOCKED Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 145	Posted - 2015.01.15 03:49:00 - [1] - Quote Me = Wyrkomi Swarms + proficiency 5 + 2 complex damage mods Blueberry #1: KLA 90 PLC Blueberry #2: some proto cal assault with what I believe to be proto swarms V.S. Gunnlogi that just sat there, barely took any damage, and laughed in our faces as our fellow blueberries dropped. We spent the entire match trying to blow his tank up, but the darn thing was nigh invincible. I'm sad... and tankers are complaining that AV is overpowered? Why don't they fit their tanks like that Gunnlogi user. I'm sure their complaints would stop.
xavier zor Rogue Instincts 412	Posted - 2015.01.15 04:26:00 - [2] - Quote Yeah, invincible for the duration of his hardeners, before he has to retreat into he redline and wait for them to re-activate. If he goes out without his hardeners able to be used, the moment another tank hits him, he is dead and the moment swarms/forgers hit him he has to run. AV is overpowered hardeners are being used to stop infantry fire instead of vehicle fire, that is how OP AV is Official Ishokune supporter Knifed duna2002's tank, then the mercenary himself
Blow-Me Please Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 4	Posted - 2015.01.15 04:42:00 - [3] - Quote xavier zor wrote: Yeah, invincible for the duration of his hardeners, before he has to retreat into he redline and wait for them to re-activate. If he goes out without his hardeners able to be used, the moment another tank hits him, he is dead and the moment swarms/forgers hit him he has to run. AV is overpowered hardeners are being used to stop infantry fire instead of vehicle fire, that is how OP AV is Working as intended. You are going to have to cry a bigger river in order to get AV nerfed again. Please place tears in bucket and offer to gods as sacrifice.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5506	Posted - 2015.01.15 04:43:00 - [4] - Quote xavier zor wrote: Yeah, invincible for the duration of his hardeners, before he has to retreat into he redline and wait for them to re-activate. If he goes out without his hardeners able to be used, the moment another tank hits him, he is dead and the moment swarms/forgers hit him he has to run. AV is overpowered hardeners are being used to stop infantry fire instead of vehicle fire, that is how OP AV is Hate it when tankers retreat to their redline. What a bunch of wusses.
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 332	Posted - 2015.01.15 04:47:00 - [5] - Quote Joel II X wrote: xavier zor wrote: Yeah, invincible for the duration of his hardeners, before he has to retreat into he redline and wait for them to re-activate. If he goes out without his hardeners able to be used, the moment another tank hits him, he is dead and the moment swarms/forgers hit him he has to run. AV is overpowered hardeners are being used to stop infantry fire instead of vehicle fire, that is how OP AV is Hate it when tankers retreat to their redline. What a bunch of wusses. Lol, so you want them to be stupid so you can feel good about your kills? That's called smarts and tactics with something they understand and you don't. You TANKOPHOBES ought to know. Your tears are the reason we are having to deal with the tank mechanics as they are now. I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 332	Posted - 2015.01.15 04:48:00 - [6] - Quote Blow-Me Please wrote: xavier zor wrote: Yeah, invincible for the duration of his hardeners, before he has to retreat into he redline and wait for them to re-activate. If he goes out without his hardeners able to be used, the moment another tank hits him, he is dead and the moment swarms/forgers hit him he has to run. AV is overpowered hardeners are being used to stop infantry fire instead of vehicle fire, that is how OP AV is Working as intended. You are going to have to cry a bigger river in order to get AV nerfed again. Please place tears in bucket and offer to gods as sacrifice. Those tears will still not surpass the oceans of tears infantry cried to nerf tanks. Again ppl, not liking something is not a valid point toward balance. I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
Blow-Me Please Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 4	Posted - 2015.01.15 04:51:00 - [7] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Joel II X wrote: xavier zor wrote: Yeah, invincible for the duration of his hardeners, before he has to retreat into he redline and wait for them to re-activate. If he goes out without his hardeners able to be used, the moment another tank hits him, he is dead and the moment swarms/forgers hit him he has to run. AV is overpowered hardeners are being used to stop infantry fire instead of vehicle fire, that is how OP AV is Hate it when tankers retreat to their redline. What a bunch of wusses. Lol, so you want them to be stupid so you can feel good about your kills? That's called smarts and tactics with something they understand and you don't. You TANKOPHOBES ought to know. Your tears are the reason we are having to deal with the tank mechanics as they are now. LOL Tears are from all the pilots about how op AV is....hahahaha BOOO fuking HOOO. Crying about swarm launchers actually working instead of laughing at them.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5506	Posted - 2015.01.15 04:53:00 - [8] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Joel II X wrote: xavier zor wrote: Yeah, invincible for the duration of his hardeners, before he has to retreat into he redline and wait for them to re-activate. If he goes out without his hardeners able to be used, the moment another tank hits him, he is dead and the moment swarms/forgers hit him he has to run. AV is overpowered hardeners are being used to stop infantry fire instead of vehicle fire, that is how OP AV is Hate it when tankers retreat to their redline. What a bunch of wusses. Lol, so you want them to be stupid so you can feel good about your kills? That's called smarts and tactics with something they understand and you don't. You TANKOPHOBES ought to know. Your tears are the reason we are having to deal with the tank mechanics as they are now. Most of you are stupid enough, so yes. Please? It's smart using a broken mechanic, though, I will admit. However, don't cry when your 1-man Murder Fortress gets blown up by joined efforts. It's not sportsman-like. I still destroy tanks with my AlloPLC, though, so I don't cry. I laugh.
xavier zor Rogue Instincts 413	Posted - 2015.01.15 04:56:00 - [9] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Joel II X wrote: xavier zor wrote: Yeah, invincible for the duration of his hardeners, before he has to retreat into he redline and wait for them to re-activate. If he goes out without his hardeners able to be used, the moment another tank hits him, he is dead and the moment swarms/forgers hit him he has to run. AV is overpowered hardeners are being used to stop infantry fire instead of vehicle fire, that is how OP AV is Hate it when tankers retreat to their redline. What a bunch of wusses. Lol, so you want them to be stupid so you can feel good about your kills? That's called smarts and tactics with something they understand and you don't. You TANKOPHOBES ought to know. Your tears are the reason we are having to deal with the tank mechanics as they are now. Most of you are stupid enough, so yes. Please? It's smart using a broken mechanic, though, I will admit. However, don't cry when your 1-man Murder Fortress gets blown up by joined efforts. It's not sportsman-like. I still destroy tanks with my AlloPLC, though, so I don't cry. I laugh. I don't care when i get killed by 2 people (unless in my repped madrugar, which should be able to take on 2 people seeming as it has just stacked reps). It should take more than 1 person to kill my tank. Last match i was blown up in 12 seconds flat by a gallante swarmer sitting on a roof that is broken. Official Ishokune supporter Knifed duna2002's tank, then the mercenary himself
xavier zor Rogue Instincts 413	Posted - 2015.01.15 04:57:00 - [10] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Joel II X wrote: xavier zor wrote: Yeah, invincible for the duration of his hardeners, before he has to retreat into he redline and wait for them to re-activate. If he goes out without his hardeners able to be used, the moment another tank hits him, he is dead and the moment swarms/forgers hit him he has to run. AV is overpowered hardeners are being used to stop infantry fire instead of vehicle fire, that is how OP AV is Hate it when tankers retreat to their redline. What a bunch of wusses. Lol, so you want them to be stupid so you can feel good about your kills? That's called smarts and tactics with something they understand and you don't. You TANKOPHOBES ought to know. Your tears are the reason we are having to deal with the tank mechanics as they are now. Most of you are stupid enough, so yes. Please? It's smart using a broken mechanic, though, I will admit. However, don't cry when your 1-man Murder Fortress gets blown up by joined efforts. It's not sportsman-like. I still destroy tanks with my AlloPLC, though, so I don't cry. I laugh. I don't care when i get killed by 2 people (unless in my repped madrugar, which should be able to take on 2 people seeming as it has just stacked reps). It should take more than 1 person to kill my tank. Last match i was blown up in 12 seconds flat by a gallante swarmer sitting on a roof that is broken. Official Ishokune supporter Knifed duna2002's tank, then the mercenary himself

Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 254	Posted - 2015.01.15 05:10:00 - [11] - Quote FLAY LOCKED wrote: Me = Wyrkomi Swarms + proficiency 5 + 2 complex damage mods Blueberry #1: KLA 90 PLC Blueberry #2: some proto cal assault with what I believe to be proto swarms V.S. Gunnlogi that just sat there, barely took any damage, and laughed in our faces as our fellow blueberries dropped. We spent the entire match trying to blow his tank up, but the darn thing was nigh invincible. I'm sad... and tankers are complaining that AV is overpowered? Why don't they fit their tanks like that Gunnlogi user. I'm sure their complaints would stop. Sat there? So it wasn't firing at you and was in fact little threat to you due to its AV turret? Edit: Also, I feel like people still don't get damage profiles
Blow-Me Please Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 5	Posted - 2015.01.15 06:24:00 - [12] - Quote xavier zor wrote: Joel II X wrote: Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Joel II X wrote: xavier zor wrote: Yeah, invincible for the duration of his hardeners, before he has to retreat into he redline and wait for them to re-activate. If he goes out without his hardeners able to be used, the moment another tank hits him, he is dead and the moment swarms/forgers hit him he has to run. AV is overpowered hardeners are being used to stop infantry fire instead of vehicle fire, that is how OP AV is Hate it when tankers retreat to their redline. What a bunch of wusses. Lol, so you want them to be stupid so you can feel good about your kills? That's called smarts and tactics with something they understand and you don't. You TANKOPHOBES ought to know. Your tears are the reason we are having to deal with the tank mechanics as they are now. Most of you are stupid enough, so yes. Please? It's smart using a broken mechanic, though, I will admit. However, don't cry when your 1-man Murder Fortress gets blown up by joined efforts. It's not sportsman-like. I still destroy tanks with my AlloPLC, though, so I don't cry. I laugh. I don't care when i get killed by 2 people (unless in my repped madrugar, which should be able to take on 2 people seeming as it has just stacked reps). It should take more than 1 person to kill my tank. Last match i was blown up in 12 seconds flat by a gallante swarmer sitting on a roof that is broken. Thats not broken,,,thats you thinking you are invincible because you are in triple repped maddie. Dont sit in the open dumazz. Good for that swarmer. Your train of thought is broken. Why should it take 2-3, or more forms of AV to kill a tank? IT shouldn't. if you are dumb enough to hang around while getting azz pounded then you had it coming. That is all I have been messing with lately,,,min commando with swarms and Bk42. They are fun.
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 302	Posted - 2015.01.15 06:32:00 - [13] - Quote FLAY LOCKED wrote: Me = Wyrkomi Swarms + proficiency 5 + 2 complex damage mods Blueberry #1: KLA 90 PLC Blueberry #2: some proto cal assault with what I believe to be proto swarms V.S. Gunnlogi that just sat there, barely took any damage, and laughed in our faces as our fellow blueberries dropped. We spent the entire match trying to blow his tank up, but the darn thing was nigh invincible. I'm sad... and tankers are complaining that AV is overpowered? Why don't they fit their tanks like that Gunnlogi user. I'm sure their complaints would stop. Its not the tankers that are complaining. Its the ADS pilots Rise and shine CCP. It's time to implement ping based match making.
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 2206	Posted - 2015.01.15 06:55:00 - [14] - Quote the sooner we get real anti shield AV(cough Scrambler Lance cough) the happier I'll be Amarr Omnisoldier: Assault, Commando, Logistics, Scout, Sentinel at V My faith is in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
DarthJT5 Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 191	Posted - 2015.01.15 06:59:00 - [15] - Quote Actually had a solo AV guy take me out today with his dual PLC galmando.... Granted, I didn't have my hardener back yet and I kept getting stuck on hills.... Dedicated Shield Tanking vet since Open Beta. Up and coming Python pilot. The awnser is always XT missiles....
Harpyja Legio DXIV 2265	Posted - 2015.01.15 07:14:00 - [16] - Quote Blow-Me Please wrote: Thats not broken,,,thats you thinking you are invincible because you are in triple repped maddie. Dont sit in the open dumazz. Good for that swarmer. Your train of thought is broken. Why should it take 2-3, or more forms of AV to kill a tank? IT shouldn't. if you are dumb enough to hang around while getting azz pounded then you had it coming. That is all I have been messing with lately,,,min commando with swarms and Bk42. They are fun. Ha! The double standards are strong in this one. HAVs lost their infantry fighting capabilities to supposedly focus on vehicle engagement, whereas infantry sacrifice nothing in order to fight vehicles, as proven by the broken Min Commando. Deals ludicrous amounts of AV damage for a skill-less weapon, the swarm launcher, and can always switch back to a combat rifle that also benefits from the same suit bonuses as the swarm launcher. What infantry wants, infantry gets. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 20806	Posted - 2015.01.15 07:17:00 - [17] - Quote SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: Its not the tankers that are complaining. Its the ADS pilots You are wrong. Sometimes, one just has an overwhelming urge to throw a potato at someone.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9236	Posted - 2015.01.15 07:23:00 - [18] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: Its not the tankers that are complaining. Its the ADS pilots You are wrong. I don't know about you but my ADS Blaster Incubus makes me want to punch a dolphin in the nose CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5507	Posted - 2015.01.15 07:24:00 - [19] - Quote xavier zor wrote: Joel II X wrote: Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Joel II X wrote: xavier zor wrote: Yeah, invincible for the duration of his hardeners, before he has to retreat into he redline and wait for them to re-activate. If he goes out without his hardeners able to be used, the moment another tank hits him, he is dead and the moment swarms/forgers hit him he has to run. AV is overpowered hardeners are being used to stop infantry fire instead of vehicle fire, that is how OP AV is Hate it when tankers retreat to their redline. What a bunch of wusses. Lol, so you want them to be stupid so you can feel good about your kills? That's called smarts and tactics with something they understand and you don't. You TANKOPHOBES ought to know. Your tears are the reason we are having to deal with the tank mechanics as they are now. Most of you are stupid enough, so yes. Please? It's smart using a broken mechanic, though, I will admit. However, don't cry when your 1-man Murder Fortress gets blown up by joined efforts. It's not sportsman-like. I still destroy tanks with my AlloPLC, though, so I don't cry. I laugh. I don't care when i get killed by 2 people (unless in my repped madrugar, which should be able to take on 2 people seeming as it has just stacked reps). It should take more than 1 person to kill my tank. Last match i was blown up in 12 seconds flat by a gallante swarmer sitting on a roof that is broken. In the words of a wise Forum Warrior: "Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me." Is this correct?
Middas Betancore Mantodea MC 368	Posted - 2015.01.15 09:26:00 - [20] - Quote I like proxy mines "Deploy the gas, we'll burn what's left"- Redacted

MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1890	Posted - 2015.01.15 09:52:00 - [21] - Quote Joel II X wrote: xavier zor wrote: Yeah, invincible for the duration of his hardeners, before he has to retreat into he redline and wait for them to re-activate. If he goes out without his hardeners able to be used, the moment another tank hits him, he is dead and the moment swarms/forgers hit him he has to run. AV is overpowered hardeners are being used to stop infantry fire instead of vehicle fire, that is how OP AV is Hate it when tankers retreat to their redline. What a bunch of wusses. What are they supposed to do? sit still and let you kill them? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
H0riz0n Unlimit Dead Man's Game 316	Posted - 2015.01.15 10:33:00 - [22] - Quote FLAY LOCKED wrote: Me = Wyrkomi Swarms + proficiency 5 + 2 complex damage mods Blueberry #1: KLA 90 PLC Blueberry #2: some proto cal assault with what I believe to be proto swarms V.S. Gunnlogi that just sat there, barely took any damage, and laughed in our faces as our fellow blueberries dropped. We spent the entire match trying to blow his tank up, but the darn thing was nigh invincible. I'm sad... and tankers are complaining that AV is overpowered? Why don't they fit their tanks like that Gunnlogi user. I'm sure their complaints would stop. Yeah, he is Op for 25 second, you are Op for an entire game, it seems legit... The KTM DuKe lives here, send a message after the "beep".One of the few vehiculist remained in dust 514
DAMIOS82 WarRavens Capital Punishment. 153	Posted - 2015.01.15 10:51:00 - [23] - Quote I've been tanking since closed beta and i think AV are just fine. Tankers and AV complain to much, but it is understandable. See the problem with HAV atm is that they only have assault capability's and no defences. Sure we can fit small turrets, but those come at the expence of other more important equipment. Not to mention many of us prefer the silence of our HAV, instead of the old ways where some noob would give away our position. The fault actually lies with CCP's lack in finishing the vehicles. If they would add defensive modules like; smokescreens that have a chance percentage at distorting lock-on, radar's that give a chance percentage at distorting dumb fire impact, beeing able to add AI turrets, instead of having the normal noob dependent turret. Just to name a few. Then AV could be buffed even further, just to make sure that militia tanks die quicker and are actually where there suppose to be (on the bottom). Standard HAV could be more easely killed, but only if the tanker is a complete morron and does not pay attention to the situation. And with the introduction of better warfare modules, other vehicles and more av options the circle becomes complete. So the fault lies with CCP, not OP AV or OP HAV. However the more one side complains the more unbalanced the situation gets, For now it's either the HAV are overpowering or the AV is.
Echo 1991 Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 654	Posted - 2015.01.15 11:09:00 - [24] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Blow-Me Please wrote: Thats not broken,,,thats you thinking you are invincible because you are in triple repped maddie. Dont sit in the open dumazz. Good for that swarmer. Your train of thought is broken. Why should it take 2-3, or more forms of AV to kill a tank? IT shouldn't. if you are dumb enough to hang around while getting azz pounded then you had it coming. That is all I have been messing with lately,,,min commando with swarms and Bk42. They are fun. Ha! The double standards are strong in this one. HAVs lost their infantry fighting capabilities to supposedly focus on vehicle engagement, whereas infantry sacrifice nothing in order to fight vehicles, as proven by the broken Min Commando. Deals ludicrous amounts of AV damage for a skill-less weapon, the swarm launcher, and can always switch back to a combat rifle that also benefits from the same suit bonuses as the swarm launcher. What infantry wants, infantry gets. Minmmods only gets 5% more damage than a suit with 3 damage mods, they also don't have a grenade slot, so let's not say its OP. Shield tanks just activate hardener and drive off.
xavier zor Rogue Instincts 416	Posted - 2015.01.15 12:13:00 - [25] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Harpyja wrote: Blow-Me Please wrote: Thats not broken,,,thats you thinking you are invincible because you are in triple repped maddie. Dont sit in the open dumazz. Good for that swarmer. Your train of thought is broken. Why should it take 2-3, or more forms of AV to kill a tank? IT shouldn't. if you are dumb enough to hang around while getting azz pounded then you had it coming. That is all I have been messing with lately,,,min commando with swarms and Bk42. They are fun. Ha! The double standards are strong in this one. HAVs lost their infantry fighting capabilities to supposedly focus on vehicle engagement, whereas infantry sacrifice nothing in order to fight vehicles, as proven by the broken Min Commando. Deals ludicrous amounts of AV damage for a skill-less weapon, the swarm launcher, and can always switch back to a combat rifle that also benefits from the same suit bonuses as the swarm launcher. What infantry wants, infantry gets. Minmmods only gets 5% more damage than a suit with 3 damage mods, they also don't have a grenade slot, so let's not say its OP. Shield tanks just activate hardener and drive off. drive off tht is the part that i hate about swarms. 1 infantry player with 1 AV weapon should not make a tank drive off Official Ishokune supporter Knifed duna2002's tank, then the mercenary himself
jordy mack WarRavens Capital Punishment. 257	Posted - 2015.01.15 12:46:00 - [26] - Quote xavier zor wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: Harpyja wrote: Blow-Me Please wrote: Thats not broken,,,thats you thinking you are invincible because you are in triple repped maddie. Dont sit in the open dumazz. Good for that swarmer. Your train of thought is broken. Why should it take 2-3, or more forms of AV to kill a tank? IT shouldn't. if you are dumb enough to hang around while getting azz pounded then you had it coming. That is all I have been messing with lately,,,min commando with swarms and Bk42. They are fun. Ha! The double standards are strong in this one. HAVs lost their infantry fighting capabilities to supposedly focus on vehicle engagement, whereas infantry sacrifice nothing in order to fight vehicles, as proven by the broken Min Commando. Deals ludicrous amounts of AV damage for a skill-less weapon, the swarm launcher, and can always switch back to a combat rifle that also benefits from the same suit bonuses as the swarm launcher. What infantry wants, infantry gets. Minmmods only gets 5% more damage than a suit with 3 damage mods, they also don't have a grenade slot, so let's not say its OP. Shield tanks just activate hardener and drive off. drive off tht is the part that i hate about swarms. 1 infantry player with 1 AV weapon should not make a tank drive off by that logic my heavy suit should not have to fear a militia sniper, this game doesnt work like that. also to ppl saying commandos dont sacrifice anything, if infantry engages me while swarming, im a one gun, no grenade, slowish, large hitbox target. but if im dug into cover with support, just give up guys, i only run this as im sure most players do, after being killed by or denied access by a tank/ads. up untill this point im running mostly blueprints. u raised the the stakes when u called ur tank. now we both have expensive assets on the field. is it wrong for me to expect some bang for my buck? Less QQ more PewPew
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 153	Posted - 2015.01.15 13:04:00 - [27] - Quote xavier zor wrote: Yeah, invincible for the duration of his hardeners, before he has to retreat into he redline and wait for them to re-activate. If he goes out without his hardeners able to be used, the moment another tank hits him, he is dead and the moment swarms/forgers hit him he has to run. AV is overpowered hardeners are being used to stop infantry fire instead of vehicle fire, that is how OP AV is Swarms vs the python...hilarious. Choo Choo
Echo 1991 Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 658	Posted - 2015.01.15 13:09:00 - [28] - Quote xavier zor wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: Harpyja wrote: Blow-Me Please wrote: Thats not broken,,,thats you thinking you are invincible because you are in triple repped maddie. Dont sit in the open dumazz. Good for that swarmer. Your train of thought is broken. Why should it take 2-3, or more forms of AV to kill a tank? IT shouldn't. if you are dumb enough to hang around while getting azz pounded then you had it coming. That is all I have been messing with lately,,,min commando with swarms and Bk42. They are fun. Ha! The double standards are strong in this one. HAVs lost their infantry fighting capabilities to supposedly focus on vehicle engagement, whereas infantry sacrifice nothing in order to fight vehicles, as proven by the broken Min Commando. Deals ludicrous amounts of AV damage for a skill-less weapon, the swarm launcher, and can always switch back to a combat rifle that also benefits from the same suit bonuses as the swarm launcher. What infantry wants, infantry gets. Minmmods only gets 5% more damage than a suit with 3 damage mods, they also don't have a grenade slot, so let's not say its OP. Shield tanks just activate hardener and drive off. drive off tht is the part that i hate about swarms. 1 infantry player with 1 AV weapon should not make a tank drive off So AV shouldn't kill you or scare you off? You have no idea about balance.
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 455	Posted - 2015.01.15 13:17:00 - [29] - Quote FLAY LOCKED wrote: Me = Wyrkomi Swarms + proficiency 5 + 2 complex damage mods Blueberry #1: KLA 90 PLC Blueberry #2: some proto cal assault with what I believe to be proto swarms V.S. Gunnlogi that just sat there, barely took any damage, and laughed in our faces as our fellow blueberries dropped. We spent the entire match trying to blow his tank up, but the darn thing was nigh invincible. I'm sad... and tankers are complaining that AV is overpowered? Why don't they fit their tanks like that Gunnlogi user. I'm sure their complaints would stop. 1. I bet you were shooting at it while it was glowing 2. You are using the SL which has -20% to shields because it is an armor based AV weapon 3. The PLC requires aim and i have seen them miss 4. If anything it was 2 extenders and 1 hardener which is great for pubs but is absolutely useless in PC 5. I bet the pilot didnt have a turret which could fight you off anyways 6. With all the damage you were doing i bet you just farmed WP off the tank instead
Nonoriri ko Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 36	Posted - 2015.01.15 13:51:00 - [30] - Quote xavier zor wrote: It should take more than 1 person to kill my tank. No. If it took more than one person to kill you that is called unbalanced. 1 person should be able to kill any other 1 person, no matter what. Being amazing, being in a vehicle, being a redliner, being anything, everything should have a counter to be balanced. When it takes 2 or more people to kill 1 person, thats when things need to get nerfed.

Blow-Me Please Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 14	Posted - 2015.01.15 15:57:00 - [31] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Blow-Me Please wrote: Thats not broken,,,thats you thinking you are invincible because you are in triple repped maddie. Dont sit in the open dumazz. Good for that swarmer. Your train of thought is broken. Why should it take 2-3, or more forms of AV to kill a tank? IT shouldn't. if you are dumb enough to hang around while getting azz pounded then you had it coming. That is all I have been messing with lately,,,min commando with swarms and Bk42. They are fun. Ha! The double standards are strong in this one. HAVs lost their infantry fighting capabilities to supposedly focus on vehicle engagement, whereas infantry sacrifice nothing in order to fight vehicles, as proven by the broken Min Commando. Deals ludicrous amounts of AV damage for a skill-less weapon, the swarm launcher, and can always switch back to a combat rifle that also benefits from the same suit bonuses as the swarm launcher. What infantry wants, infantry gets. And you are wrong. Infantry doesn't sacrifice anything to fight vehicles? Thats a load of sh!t and you know it. A swarmer sacrifices his light weapon spot, to only be able to defend himself with a sidearm unless he is a commando. Then he sacrifices any of the mods for precision or profile dampening becuz commandos are pretty bare. Everybody is sacrificing something. Because your tank requires a whole lot of skill? Thats cute. Rolling around in a 5000 HP metal can with hardener capabilities and afterburner/nitrous. Vehicles roles are to support infantry secure the objective. Not infantry support vehicles.
Blow-Me Please Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 14	Posted - 2015.01.15 16:00:00 - [32] - Quote xavier zor wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: Harpyja wrote: Blow-Me Please wrote: Thats not broken,,,thats you thinking you are invincible because you are in triple repped maddie. Dont sit in the open dumazz. Good for that swarmer. Your train of thought is broken. Why should it take 2-3, or more forms of AV to kill a tank? IT shouldn't. if you are dumb enough to hang around while getting azz pounded then you had it coming. That is all I have been messing with lately,,,min commando with swarms and Bk42. They are fun. Ha! The double standards are strong in this one. HAVs lost their infantry fighting capabilities to supposedly focus on vehicle engagement, whereas infantry sacrifice nothing in order to fight vehicles, as proven by the broken Min Commando. Deals ludicrous amounts of AV damage for a skill-less weapon, the swarm launcher, and can always switch back to a combat rifle that also benefits from the same suit bonuses as the swarm launcher. What infantry wants, infantry gets. Minmmods only gets 5% more damage than a suit with 3 damage mods, they also don't have a grenade slot, so let's not say its OP. Shield tanks just activate hardener and drive off. drive off tht is the part that i hate about swarms. 1 infantry player with 1 AV weapon should not make a tank drive off LOL I love your sense of entitlement. You must be an American. Self entitled pr!cks we are. Tanks are not win buttons. You did not conquer or beat dust becuz you are sitting in the tank. You can have a cookie for a consolation prize.
Ultervilet Sunberns Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2015.01.15 16:16:00 - [33] - Quote Middas Betancore wrote: I like proxy mines But they're too hard to use and generally unreliable...
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2742	Posted - 2015.01.15 17:34:00 - [34] - Quote FLAY LOCKED wrote: Me = Wyrkomi Swarms + proficiency 5 + 2 complex damage mods Blueberry #1: KLA 90 PLC Blueberry #2: some proto cal assault with what I believe to be proto swarms V.S. Gunnlogi that just sat there, barely took any damage, and laughed in our faces as our fellow blueberries dropped. We spent the entire match trying to blow his tank up, but the darn thing was nigh invincible. I'm sad... and tankers are complaining that AV is overpowered? Why don't they fit their tanks like that Gunnlogi user. I'm sure their complaints would stop. Absolutely impossible. Please, go away. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2817	Posted - 2015.01.15 17:44:00 - [35] - Quote Pics / Vid or it didn't happen. I'm pretty sure what happened was either incompetence on the part of you and the blueberries or hitting/ running on the part of the Gunnlogi pilot. Shield tanks are meant for burst tanking, so if he charged in with hardeners running and left when they were down, that's just how it goes. The counter is to chase it down or corner it. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Patrick57 Incorruptibles 9657	Posted - 2015.01.15 18:07:00 - [36] - Quote Joel II X wrote: xavier zor wrote: Yeah, invincible for the duration of his hardeners, before he has to retreat into he redline and wait for them to re-activate. If he goes out without his hardeners able to be used, the moment another tank hits him, he is dead and the moment swarms/forgers hit him he has to run. AV is overpowered hardeners are being used to stop infantry fire instead of vehicle fire, that is how OP AV is Hate it when tankers retreat to their redline. What a bunch of wusses. I hate it when they just sit right next to or in their redline. get out of there and fight me 1 v 1 :( i fucking hate waffles
Stupid Blueberry Pure Evil. Capital Punishment. 930	Posted - 2015.01.15 18:11:00 - [37] - Quote Nonoriri ko wrote: xavier zor wrote: It should take more than 1 person to kill my tank. No. If it took more than one person to kill you that is called unbalanced. 1 person should be able to kill any other 1 person, no matter what. Being amazing, being in a vehicle, being a redliner, being anything, everything should have a counter to be balanced. When it takes 2 or more people to kill 1 person, thats when things need to get nerfed. yeah tanks have counters, they're called other tanks, ads, swarms, forge, PLC, remote explosives, AV grenades, flux grenades, nova knives, etc. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
Stupid Blueberry Pure Evil. Capital Punishment. 930	Posted - 2015.01.15 18:13:00 - [38] - Quote Blow-Me Please wrote: Harpyja wrote: Blow-Me Please wrote: Thats not broken,,,thats you thinking you are invincible because you are in triple repped maddie. Dont sit in the open dumazz. Good for that swarmer. Your train of thought is broken. Why should it take 2-3, or more forms of AV to kill a tank? IT shouldn't. if you are dumb enough to hang around while getting azz pounded then you had it coming. That is all I have been messing with lately,,,min commando with swarms and Bk42. They are fun. Ha! The double standards are strong in this one. HAVs lost their infantry fighting capabilities to supposedly focus on vehicle engagement, whereas infantry sacrifice nothing in order to fight vehicles, as proven by the broken Min Commando. Deals ludicrous amounts of AV damage for a skill-less weapon, the swarm launcher, and can always switch back to a combat rifle that also benefits from the same suit bonuses as the swarm launcher. What infantry wants, infantry gets. And you are wrong. Infantry doesn't sacrifice anything to fight vehicles? Thats a load of sh!t and you know it. A swarmer sacrifices his light weapon spot, to only be able to defend himself with a sidearm unless he is a commando. Then he sacrifices any of the mods for precision or profile dampening becuz commandos are pretty bare. Everybody is sacrificing something. Because your tank requires a whole lot of skill? Thats cute. Rolling around in a 5000 HP metal can with hardener capabilities and afterburner/nitrous. Vehicles roles are to support infantry secure the objective. Not infantry support vehicles. lolno Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5515	Posted - 2015.01.15 18:22:00 - [39] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Joel II X wrote: xavier zor wrote: Yeah, invincible for the duration of his hardeners, before he has to retreat into he redline and wait for them to re-activate. If he goes out without his hardeners able to be used, the moment another tank hits him, he is dead and the moment swarms/forgers hit him he has to run. AV is overpowered hardeners are being used to stop infantry fire instead of vehicle fire, that is how OP AV is Hate it when tankers retreat to their redline. What a bunch of wusses. What are they supposed to do? sit still and let you kill them? Well, no, but why retreat to the redline? It takes only a few seconds to get there while in a tank, but infantry die to tanks in less than 3 seconds with no chance to run away to any redline if in an open area. Infantry don't have hardeners, nor do they have the speed. Now, dont get me wrong. I'm not suggesting to nerf tanks or mega-buff infantry, I'm just saying that that is a broken tactic (I'd say it's the equivalent of a redline sniper). I only stated the opinion of my dislike of the use of such tactics and called tankers out on it.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5515	Posted - 2015.01.15 18:29:00 - [40] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: Blow-Me Please wrote: Harpyja wrote: Blow-Me Please wrote: Thats not broken,,,thats you thinking you are invincible because you are in triple repped maddie. Dont sit in the open dumazz. Good for that swarmer. Your train of thought is broken. Why should it take 2-3, or more forms of AV to kill a tank? IT shouldn't. if you are dumb enough to hang around while getting azz pounded then you had it coming. That is all I have been messing with lately,,,min commando with swarms and Bk42. They are fun. Ha! The double standards are strong in this one. HAVs lost their infantry fighting capabilities to supposedly focus on vehicle engagement, whereas infantry sacrifice nothing in order to fight vehicles, as proven by the broken Min Commando. Deals ludicrous amounts of AV damage for a skill-less weapon, the swarm launcher, and can always switch back to a combat rifle that also benefits from the same suit bonuses as the swarm launcher. What infantry wants, infantry gets. And you are wrong. Infantry doesn't sacrifice anything to fight vehicles? Thats a load of sh!t and you know it. A swarmer sacrifices his light weapon spot, to only be able to defend himself with a sidearm unless he is a commando. Then he sacrifices any of the mods for precision or profile dampening becuz commandos are pretty bare. Everybody is sacrificing something. Because your tank requires a whole lot of skill? Thats cute. Rolling around in a 5000 HP metal can with hardener capabilities and afterburner/nitrous. Vehicles roles are to support infantry secure the objective. Not infantry support vehicles. lolno Actually, he's right and wrong at the same time. Vehicles are supposed to support infantry by giving extra fire power to hold off enemies, while the infantry ate supposed to take care of anti-vehicle that's to make sure the vehicles do their job. An infantry's job is to take care of turrets, enemy-AV, and clean off an area to make room for the tank to pass by. As it is right now, tanks DO suppress enemies, but the turrets don't pose much of a threat unless the tank is just sitting there not taking damage. As for enemy-AV, that's up to the red team to manage, so there may be either 0 doing it, or as many as 16. Not much harmony in my eyes.

Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 474	Posted - 2015.01.15 18:29:00 - [41] - Quote Joel II X wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Joel II X wrote: xavier zor wrote: Yeah, invincible for the duration of his hardeners, before he has to retreat into he redline and wait for them to re-activate. If he goes out without his hardeners able to be used, the moment another tank hits him, he is dead and the moment swarms/forgers hit him he has to run. AV is overpowered hardeners are being used to stop infantry fire instead of vehicle fire, that is how OP AV is Hate it when tankers retreat to their redline. What a bunch of wusses. What are they supposed to do? sit still and let you kill them? Well, no, but why retreat to the redline? It takes only a few seconds to get there while in a tank, but infantry die to tanks in less than 3 seconds with no chance to run away to any redline if in an open area. Infantry don't have hardeners, nor do they have the speed. Now, dont get me wrong. I'm not suggesting to nerf tanks or mega-buff infantry, I'm just saying that that is a broken tactic (I'd say it's the equivalent of a redline sniper). I only stated the opinion of my dislike of the use of such tactics and called tankers out on it. 1. Because they have no other option 2. They need to wait 30seconds or more for the modules to come back 3. A vehicle is alot more expensive than your barbie onesie 4. While everything is off it is super weak 5. AV infantry can be hiding anywhere 6. SL missiles will follow you back 400m 7. This has to be bait
Patrick57 Incorruptibles 9658	Posted - 2015.01.15 19:01:00 - [42] - Quote Nonoriri ko wrote: xavier zor wrote: It should take more than 1 person to kill my tank. No. If it took more than one person to kill you that is called unbalanced. 1 person should be able to kill any other 1 person, no matter what. Being amazing, being in a vehicle, being a redliner, being anything, everything should have a counter to be balanced. When it takes 2 or more people to kill 1 person, thats when things need to get nerfed. and here's our problem! infantry: "1 swarmer/forger = 1 tank. I should be able to kill them myself!" tankers: "it should take a whole squad to kill me!" I understand that not all infantry or tankers are like that^ But where do you balance it? Should tankers get bonuses to have other players in their tank (making it more team oriented to make up for having multiple infantry trying to destroy it)? Should tanks cost 1 mil isk each? What is the inbetween that would appease both infantry and tankers? i fucking hate waffles
P14GU3 Savage Bullet 1142	Posted - 2015.01.15 19:02:00 - [43] - Quote H0riz0n Unlimit wrote: FLAY LOCKED wrote: Me = Wyrkomi Swarms + proficiency 5 + 2 complex damage mods Blueberry #1: KLA 90 PLC Blueberry #2: some proto cal assault with what I believe to be proto swarms V.S. Gunnlogi that just sat there, barely took any damage, and laughed in our faces as our fellow blueberries dropped. We spent the entire match trying to blow his tank up, but the darn thing was nigh invincible. I'm sad... and tankers are complaining that AV is overpowered? Why don't they fit their tanks like that Gunnlogi user. I'm sure their complaints would stop. Yeah, he is Op for 25 second, you are Op for an entire game, it seems legit... This is exactly the way CCP has designed vehicles. They have stated that they EXPECT tanks to destroy near everything for 20-30 seconds and then retreat while their mods cool down/repair. If this is not how you are fitting your tank, expect to die. Fit heavy buffer/hardner tanks and retreat when you have to. Gone are the days of being a near unstoppable force for the entire match. 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
Raiden246 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1	Posted - 2015.01.15 21:22:00 - [44] - Quote SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: FLAY LOCKED wrote: Me = Wyrkomi Swarms + proficiency 5 + 2 complex damage mods Blueberry #1: KLA 90 PLC Blueberry #2: some proto cal assault with what I believe to be proto swarms V.S. Gunnlogi that just sat there, barely took any damage, and laughed in our faces as our fellow blueberries dropped. We spent the entire match trying to blow his tank up, but the darn thing was nigh invincible. I'm sad... and tankers are complaining that AV is overpowered? Why don't they fit their tanks like that Gunnlogi user. I'm sure their complaints would stop. Its not the tankers that are complaining. Its the ADS pilots Lol at how people always whine about random nonsense. The tank will be borderline invincible with complex shield hardeners; wait for those to go down and it's cake to destroy it. As for tankers, is there anything that's ever survived the proto-missile barrage? They have all the tools needed as well, no point in whining. If anything, complaints should be coming from the ADS users. Hard plastic armor and static electricity shields V.S. proto AV? it's a flat out waste of ISK.
KILL3R H3LLH0UND Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 183	Posted - 2015.01.15 21:31:00 - [45] - Quote Nonoriri ko wrote: xavier zor wrote: It should take more than 1 person to kill my tank. No. If it took more than one person to kill you that is called unbalanced. 1 person should be able to kill any other 1 person, no matter what. Being amazing, being in a vehicle, being a redliner, being anything, everything should have a counter to be balanced. When it takes 2 or more people to kill 1 person, thats when things need to get nerfed. Alright, fine. lets go by your logic. Make a PRO fitted tank cost as much as a pro dropsuit, and make my xt python cost as much as a pro dropsuit. A suit under 200k should not be able to solo my half a million vehicle. It's people like you who make this game aso broken. Ex-Master Scout Trainer, been falling in love with my Minja again. I <3 my Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 39	Posted - 2015.01.15 21:37:00 - [46] - Quote If they call hardeners op and nerf them again... Lol i would be surprised. That fit (i use it on my myron sometimes) is severely gimped when hardeners fall... However.. It's a swarm proof rock during uptime. It's not invincible, it's just the modules in great usage.
Raiden246 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.01.15 21:41:00 - [47] - Quote KILL3R H3LLH0UND wrote: Nonoriri ko wrote: xavier zor wrote: It should take more than 1 person to kill my tank. No. If it took more than one person to kill you that is called unbalanced. 1 person should be able to kill any other 1 person, no matter what. Being amazing, being in a vehicle, being a redliner, being anything, everything should have a counter to be balanced. When it takes 2 or more people to kill 1 person, thats when things need to get nerfed. Alright, fine. lets go by your logic. Make a PRO fitted tank cost as much as a pro dropsuit, and make my xt python cost as much as a pro dropsuit. A suit under 200k should not be able to solo my half a million vehicle. It's people like you who make this game aso broken. You don't seem to realise how purely idiotic your train of thought is. Just because something is highly expensive, does not mean that it should automatically perform better than something with a lower cost. If you don't like how much you're spending, change your fittings. Making a 500,000+ ISK dropship fitting won't make it any more resistant to being pulverized by Wrykomi swarms, and if you don't like that, who the hell cares? Go bltch and moan to CCP and see if they listen. Both sides need to stop combating at any rate. The logic that tanks need to have multiple people attacking them simultaneously to be destroyed, is idiotic. So much so is the idea that tanks need to be nerfed, when realistically that only puts them dangerously closer to being as weak as dropships.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 16600	Posted - 2015.01.15 21:56:00 - [48] - Quote Raiden246 wrote: You don't seem to realise how purely idiotic your train of thought is. Just because something is highly expensive, does not mean that it should automatically perform better than something with a lower cost. If you don't like how much you're spending, change your fittings. Making a 500,000+ ISK dropship fitting won't make it any more resistant to being pulverized by Wrykomi swarms, and if you don't like that, who the hell cares? Go bltch and moan to CCP and see if they listen. Both sides need to stop combating at any rate. The logic that tanks need to have multiple people attacking them simultaneously to be destroyed, is idiotic. So much so is the idea that tanks need to be nerfed, when realistically that only puts them dangerously closer to being as weak as dropships. Actually a very interesting discussion to be had from that suggestion. "The logic that tanks need to have multiple people attacking them simultaneously to be destroyed, is idiotic" A lot of other games balance tanks around the operation by two people. One pilot and main gunner with an anti tank gun, and one secondary gunner. Tanks in those games are see as incredible threats and are usually taken out rapidly. One single person can do it themselves yes, but oddly enough in those communities I rarely hear crying about having to work with another player to knock out a tank. They just get on with it and do it. I'd love to push tanks in Dust away from anti infantry main guns and into the realms of Main Battle Cannon. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1759	Posted - 2015.01.15 22:09:00 - [49] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Again ppl, not liking something is not a valid point toward balance. When it comes to pilots, "balance" is an overly broad term. Some found 1.7 to be "balanced", strange as that may seem.


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