Decloak delay is currently invoked anytime cloak is selected. I believe its a bug. The delay should be changed to only activate during decloak.

Cloaks are seriously broken atm true, hell in Eve if i use a covert ops cloak similar to a proto dust cloak and the right ship for it there is no locking or firing delay. I thought we were part of new eden...this seems more like a Chinese knock-off of new eden with most areas being similar (shields, armor, modules etc in all areas) but definitely not in any case the same regardless of how similar they are.

Currently running cloaked in a proto scout with a proto cloak wondering wtf is wrong with someone to think the sp invested in this suit shouldn't make it harder to spot than the average bear. (whiners winning 99.8% of the time)

I understand what you mean, CCP Shangai basically made the cloak for travel only. they should atleast increase the duration slightly to compensate imho

Like I said before, cloak should behave like in Eve, no time limit to cloaking, proximity decloak of 10m and a ~10 second delay in switching to anything else.

Give us that first and then we can start discussing Covert Ops Dropsuits.

When missions call for speed and stealth, situations in which heavily armored suits would be more of a burden than an advantage, a scout dropsuit is the best option. The enhanced mobility it provides makes up for its relatively low protection, and when combined with stealth technology modules, the scout suit is the obvious choice for infiltration, counter-espionage, and assassination.

reads: "hey lets make cloaks useless, then we can talk"

beside that, scouts are the covert ops suits

this is pretty much covert ops in my book

They would not be useless, they'd be for travel and placement rather than "run up and shotgun you before you realize I am there because I am such a bad scout I can't get a flank on you unnoticed" (which is what I read when you say "hey lets make cloaks useless")

If scouts are covert ops suits, why doesn't CCP give them a similar bonus to Covert Ops capable ships in Eve? I mean they do have the reduced fitting requirement, where is the delay reduction?

so this is where we are at, you are just whining that you got shotgunned into the back. get out troll. this is not eve where you can just sit at a safepot cloaked all day, warp cloaked or do the mwd warp trick and never get caught. this is not eve where you can just send out probes and scan out everyone in short amount of time in the whole system.

10 second delay makes cloaks useless, if I have to wait 10 seconds to do something then you might aswell delete the suit. I move to an objective, I want to clear it from remotes with my flux, oh wait, 10 seconds delay, in that timeframe 5 people spawned and killed me. someone shoots me because his crosshair turned red over me or aim assist locked on, lets defend yourself, oh wait, 10 seconds delay. I want to give my team intel, oh wait, 10 seconds delay, cant use scanner and my passive scanning is gimped beyond measure. fight starts, lets support my team with some damage, oh wait, 10 seconds delay and fight is over in 5 seconds.

10m proximity makes cloak useless, there is no acceleration and 10m can be covered in less than 2 seconds, I would never be able to dodge someone or move around someone unless I am sitting in the open, and then I have to wait 10 seconds to do something in which case my scouting is useless because my intel is 10 seconds old.

in short, your "brilliant" ideas just made all activities scouts participate at impossible. also if you do not understand why an FPS needs less delay instead of more then you simply are not entitled to discuss such things. beside that, all suits in dust are suits for combat, not for sitting around in the corner peeing and waiting 10 seconds...

the underline part of your post says it all anyway, your "ideas" are just anti shotgun scout whining in disguise.

lol

wrong try again

also 10 seconds was just a number I picked out of the air

someone is really defending cloak/shotgun......


what? can't you get behind someone without it?

Some of the ideas you propose I can get behind (like reticle not turning red when you're cloaked), though for the most part you a really striking me as one of the "we should be cloaked combatants cause I get shot too easily when I am not cloaked"

At least that is what all of your whining about how useless the cloak would be in this hypothetical situation leads me to believe.

see that bit of credibility? you lost it several posts ago, it was flushed down the toilet by your own stupidity... you cant even read properly.

go troll someone else with your anti scout whining.

Wow, I lose credibility because you say so, you're really full of yourself aren't you?

1. You can fire 2 shotgun shots before cloak is turned off - Broken

4. Those ships in EVE which have no targeting delay are made to use the cloak, stick the cloak on the drake and see what happens when you target something

you lost credibility because of terrible reading comprehension, lack of understanding what scout is about, stupid ideas and anti shotgun scout whining in a thread about QoL fixes. no one will take you seriously now, deal with it.

Awwww, how cute, you think you can make proclamations like that.

Awww, they grow up so quickly don't they?

you made the proclamations by yourself with your troll posts

Cloak should behave more like in Eve.

No Time limit, need to remain more than Xm away from uncloaked players and can't have anything in hand aside from the cloak arm computer thing. If you want to swap to anything else, you need to decloak first and then wait out your delay.

I love how you seem to be confused about me and trolling.

Trust me, this isn't me trolling, you're mistaken about the intent of my posts.

Dust 514 and Eve are not the same games. Spaceships aren't the same things as dropsuits. Get over yourself.

What is that word just above Dust514, you know, the one with the lines to either side of it?

so you are tellung us that eve and dust is the same game, right? who would guess that a game centered around eve lore could have eve mentioned somewhere, what a totally new concept

and btw, no one ever said something about the combat applications of scouts with shotgun, till you came in whining about it. I even gave you 5 reasons why what you said was terrible, yet you didnt managed to answer with anything else than anti shotgun jabbering again and some stuff about eve that is not relevant in dust. the butthurt is written all over your face.

anyway good job derailing the thread.

Look up at the top of the page, I thought I saw something though I need confirmation.

What is that word just above Dust514, you know, the one with the lines to either side of it?

Does Dust have Spaceships we can fly? Does EVE actually fight on the ground... You are literally comparing NASA to like Ford Motor Company. Two completely different things.

that is response enough to your "Don't take my easymode button!!!" ranting.

again, anti scout whining

lol

nice attempt at remolding my words into something you want people to believe

I almost want to ask if you're in politics but you're too garbage at it to have experience as a public servant.

lol as if Ford were a government entity

It's more like comparing NASA and the Marines

Two different entities united under the same umbrella.

Awwww, how cute, you think you can make proclamations like that.

Awww, they grow up so quickly don't they?

PS: the irony is strong here, you just rekt yourself...

But are they really? I don't really see NASA as National defense.

Where did I make any proclaimation?

I made a simple statement.

of fact about your attempts to twist my words

so, according to you, a proclamation is not formal public statement?


except you wrote it and you were the only person ever going into the topic of shothun scouts being able to shotgun you from behind in a QoL thread.

when did I say I had a problem with scouts shooting people in the back?

I didn't, lrn2read

I did complain about scouts decloaking in your face with a shotgun

totally different thing that, 180 degree difference as a matter of fact.

Please continue to derail your thread while trying to save face.

well, then from the bottom of one's heart, I am sorry

but dude, you just rekt yourself the third time in a row. did you really just said that you complain about scouts decloaking in your face? you realize that shooting while cloaked is not possible anymore? are you blind, didnt your saw that blue thing running at your direction?

Shhh, I tend to navigate by using my minimap, I know, I'm terrible

I can understand a delay when you decloak BUT when you are not cloaked at all? you cant switch to a weapon while running and running interrupts the longass switching animation. those soldiers from the future have serious issue when it takes them seconds to pull down their arm...

anyway, here are my suggestions for the QOL fixes:
-decloak delay should not affect you when you arent cloaked
-crosshair shouldnt turn red when you are cloaked when you point over a cloaked suit (this would also improve spawn mechanic)
-auto aim should not lock on you when you are cloaked

These all seem pretty good imo. Especially the underlined part. I had no idea it worked that way and it sounds pretty restrictive. If you run during the decloak animation the whole thing starts over from the beginning? Ouch...