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MINA Longstrike wrote:

Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:

Mejt0 wrote:

Timtron Victory wrote:

With Hacking at level 5. Min scout at level 5
A standard Min scout with two complex codebreakers is there any other racial standard or advanced suit that can have a faster hacking speed?

Noone will beat minja in hacking.
Cuz stacking peantalies apply to codebreakers.

Can you with absolute certainty say that codebreaker don't receive a penalty from the min scout bonus?

And do you know what order the skills are applied in?
Hax skill --> suit bonus --> Min scout suit bonus --> Module bonus.

Is it like that or in some other order?

Penalized bonuses always come last. In general things go in order of highest to lowest, except when something is attached inherently to the suit itself (like how all scouts and all logi's hack slightly faster than other suits).

So, Suit bonus * Suit skill or Hacking skill (whichever is higher) * Mods (highest to lowest) with stacking penalties typically applying on percentile increases on every mod past the first. Flat increases don't typically have stacking penalties.

IIRC min suit is 1.15 hackspeed on scout?

So. 1.15 * 1.25(suit skill) * 1.25(hacking skill) * mod1 * [mod2(penalty)] * [mod3(penalty] = total derived bonus.

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Timtron Victory Horizons' Edge 256	Posted - 2015.01.13 06:37:00 - [1] - Quote With Hacking at level 5. Min scout at level 5 A standard Min scout with two complex codebreakers is there any other racial standard or advanced suit that can have a faster hacking speed? Dust Weekly Lottery Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6969	Posted - 2015.01.13 06:42:00 - [2] - Quote Pretty sure the answer is no. but a ADV assault suit that has 4 lows and all 4 comp code breakers could possible be slightly faster. CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 689	Posted - 2015.01.13 06:44:00 - [3] - Quote Timtron Victory wrote: With Hacking at level 5. Min scout at level 5 A standard Min scout with two complex codebreakers is there any other racial standard or advanced suit that can have a faster hacking speed? Noone will beat minja in hacking. Cuz stacking peantalies apply to codebreakers. Loyal to State. Led by Tibus Heth. Not scared of death [like Admiral Yakiya Tobil-Toba]. Honour and Mission over money
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 689	Posted - 2015.01.13 06:45:00 - [4] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Pretty sure the answer is no. but a ADV assault suit that has 4 lows and all 4 comp code breakers could possible be slightly faster. Stacking pentalies. Even 5 modules on logi won't beat minja with 2-3. Loyal to State. Led by Tibus Heth. Not scared of death [like Admiral Yakiya Tobil-Toba]. Honour and Mission over money
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6969	Posted - 2015.01.13 06:46:00 - [5] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Timtron Victory wrote: With Hacking at level 5. Min scout at level 5 A standard Min scout with two complex codebreakers is there any other racial standard or advanced suit that can have a faster hacking speed? Noone will beat minja in hacking. Cuz stacking peantalies apply to codebreakers. Can you with absolute certainty say that codebreaker don't receive a penalty from the min scout bonus? And do you know what order the skills are applied in? Hax skill --> suit bonus --> Min scout suit bonus --> Module bonus. Is it like that or in some other order? CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
dy5t0pia The dyst0pian Corporation 594	Posted - 2015.01.13 06:57:00 - [6] - Quote Why not just purchase the Quafe scout BPO's bundle from the market, it comes with a standard Minmatar dropsuit. Unless they removed it already I haven't checked. CEO Closed Beta Vet
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6969	Posted - 2015.01.13 07:02:00 - [7] - Quote dy5t0pia wrote: Why not just purchase the Quafe scout BPO's bundle from the market, it comes with a standard Minmatar dropsuit. Unless they removed it already I haven't checked. because buying bpc's is cheaper.... CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9204	Posted - 2015.01.13 07:02:00 - [8] - Quote I like my Hacking Gallente Logistics suit. CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
Timtron Victory Horizons' Edge 256	Posted - 2015.01.13 07:09:00 - [9] - Quote dy5t0pia wrote: Why not just purchase the Quafe scout BPO's bundle from the market, it comes with a standard Minmatar dropsuit. Unless they removed it already I haven't checked. I have a Covenant Assault suit that is simply gathering dust. The quafe pack is all racial suits right? Dust Weekly Lottery Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
dy5t0pia The dyst0pian Corporation 594	Posted - 2015.01.13 07:10:00 - [10] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: dy5t0pia wrote: Why not just purchase the Quafe scout BPO's bundle from the market, it comes with a standard Minmatar dropsuit. Unless they removed it already I haven't checked. because buying bpc's is cheaper.... If you read the OP's first post you would have seen he stated he was looking for a BPO scout dropsuit. CEO Closed Beta Vet

Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5466	Posted - 2015.01.13 07:13:00 - [11] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Pretty sure the answer is no. but a ADV assault suit that has 4 lows and all 4 comp code breakers could possible be slightly faster. No, but a Min logi would get pretty close.
dy5t0pia The dyst0pian Corporation 594	Posted - 2015.01.13 07:13:00 - [12] - Quote Timtron Victory wrote: dy5t0pia wrote: Why not just purchase the Quafe scout BPO's bundle from the market, it comes with a standard Minmatar dropsuit. Unless they removed it already I haven't checked. I have a Covenant Assault suit that is simply gathering dust. The quafe pack is all racial suits right? Yes. It comes with four customizable BPO scout dropsuits: 'Quafe' Scout M-I 'Quafe' Scout G-I 'Quafe' Scout A-I 'Quafe' Scout C-I CEO Closed Beta Vet
Timtron Victory Horizons' Edge 256	Posted - 2015.01.13 07:24:00 - [13] - Quote Does anyone know if we would be able to trade BPOs like the Quafe later on? Because if I get that pack I will just have suits that wont be used Dust Weekly Lottery Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
dy5t0pia The dyst0pian Corporation 597	Posted - 2015.01.13 07:26:00 - [14] - Quote Timtron Victory wrote: Does anyone know if we would be able to trade BPOs like the Quafe later on? Because if I get that pack I will just have suits that wont be used I predict all items except AUR will be able to be traded. CEO Closed Beta Vet
Kaze Eyrou DUST University Ivy League 1715	Posted - 2015.01.13 07:43:00 - [15] - Quote Check out my Hacking Guide! And here's a direct link to the spreadsheet I made. CB Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou Kaze's Helpful Links
dy5t0pia The dyst0pian Corporation 597	Posted - 2015.01.13 07:44:00 - [16] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: Check out my Hacking Guide! Link??? CEO Closed Beta Vet
Timtron Victory Horizons' Edge 256	Posted - 2015.01.13 08:23:00 - [17] - Quote dy5t0pia wrote: Timtron Victory wrote: Does anyone know if we would be able to trade BPOs like the Quafe later on? Because if I get that pack I will just have suits that wont be used I predict all items except AUR will be able to be traded. It was a failed experiment dude or dudette. GIVE ME BACK MY MONEY Without a BPO for cloaks it doesnt really work as I would like since I have become reliant on cloaking thanks to my Tiger scout Dust Weekly Lottery Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1869	Posted - 2015.01.13 08:29:00 - [18] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Timtron Victory wrote: With Hacking at level 5. Min scout at level 5 A standard Min scout with two complex codebreakers is there any other racial standard or advanced suit that can have a faster hacking speed? Noone will beat minja in hacking. Cuz stacking peantalies apply to codebreakers. Can you with absolute certainty say that codebreaker don't receive a penalty from the min scout bonus? And do you know what order the skills are applied in? Hax skill --> suit bonus --> Min scout suit bonus --> Module bonus. Is it like that or in some other order? Penalized bonuses always come last. In general things go in order of highest to lowest, except when something is attached inherently to the suit itself (like how all scouts and all logi's hack slightly faster than other suits). So, Suit bonus * Suit skill or Hacking skill (whichever is higher) * Mods (highest to lowest) with stacking penalties typically applying on percentile increases on every mod past the first. Flat increases don't typically have stacking penalties. IIRC min suit is 1.15 hackspeed on scout? So. 1.15 * 1.25(suit skill) * 1.25(hacking skill) * mod1 * [mod2(penalty)] * [mod3(penalty] = total derived bonus. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Kaze Eyrou DUST University Ivy League 1716	Posted - 2015.01.13 08:37:00 - [19] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Timtron Victory wrote: With Hacking at level 5. Min scout at level 5 A standard Min scout with two complex codebreakers is there any other racial standard or advanced suit that can have a faster hacking speed? Noone will beat minja in hacking. Cuz stacking peantalies apply to codebreakers. Can you with absolute certainty say that codebreaker don't receive a penalty from the min scout bonus? And do you know what order the skills are applied in? Hax skill --> suit bonus --> Min scout suit bonus --> Module bonus. Is it like that or in some other order? Penalized bonuses always come last. In general things go in order of highest to lowest, except when something is attached inherently to the suit itself (like how all scouts and all logi's hack slightly faster than other suits). So, Suit bonus * Suit skill or Hacking skill (whichever is higher) * Mods (highest to lowest) with stacking penalties typically applying on percentile increases on every mod past the first. Flat increases don't typically have stacking penalties. IIRC min suit is 1.15 hackspeed on scout? So. 1.15 * 1.25(suit skill) * 1.25(hacking skill) * mod1 * [mod2(penalty)] * [mod3(penalty] = total derived bonus. Minmatar Scout has a multiplier of 1.1. CB Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou Kaze's Helpful Links
dy5t0pia The dyst0pian Corporation 597	Posted - 2015.01.13 08:40:00 - [20] - Quote Timtron Victory wrote: dy5t0pia wrote: Timtron Victory wrote: Does anyone know if we would be able to trade BPOs like the Quafe later on? Because if I get that pack I will just have suits that wont be used I predict all items except AUR will be able to be traded. It was a failed experiment dude or dudette. GIVE ME BACK MY MONEY Without a BPO for cloaks it doesnt really work as I would like since I have become reliant on cloaking thanks to my Tiger scout If the cloak is the only non-BPO item you are running with the suit it should only cost a little more than 2k. CEO Closed Beta Vet

Timtron Victory Horizons' Edge 257	Posted - 2015.01.13 10:07:00 - [21] - Quote dy5t0pia wrote: Timtron Victory wrote: dy5t0pia wrote: Timtron Victory wrote: Does anyone know if we would be able to trade BPOs like the Quafe later on? Because if I get that pack I will just have suits that wont be used I predict all items except AUR will be able to be traded. It was a failed experiment dude or dudette. GIVE ME BACK MY MONEY Without a BPO for cloaks it doesnt really work as I would like since I have become reliant on cloaking thanks to my Tiger scout If the cloak is the only non-BPO item you are running with the suit it should only cost a little more than 2k. Sadly since I can use the Tiger scout, buying the Quafe seems like a horrible idea now haha Dust Weekly Lottery Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
TooMany Names AlreadyTaken Going for the gold 543	Posted - 2015.01.13 13:13:00 - [22] - Quote I've turned around a lot of skirmishes just hacking everything with a standard minja, ARN-18 cloak and 2 enhanced codebreakers. It's cheap enough for you to not lose much money in case you get caught. I may not have a mic, but trust me, you NEED me in your squad if you want to win. When I'm on a roll, I'm unstoppable.
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 690	Posted - 2015.01.13 14:20:00 - [23] - Quote Minja lv5 with maxed skills and : a) 2 modules b) 3 modules have hacking multiplier of a) = 2.6 and b) = 2.99 Ps. Minja base multiplier 1.1 Stacking pentalies on complex codebreakers : 1. 25% 2. 21.725% 3. 14.275% 4. 7% Loyal to State. Led by Tibus Heth. Not scared of death [like Admiral Yakiya Tobil-Toba]. Honour and Mission over money
Luna McDuffing COALICION LATINA Smart Deploy 145	Posted - 2015.01.13 15:46:00 - [24] - Quote Even if another suit could hack just as fast or even slightly faster than the minmatar scout you still have to ask yourself 1 question. Why would you use that other suit. You see, it is not only the hacking speed, it is the scout bonus of the minscout that makes it worth while. For one you have the cloak that allows you to sneak in past some enemies. Then there is the inherent low profile of the scouts. Then there is the speed of the scout. You have to look at the whole package and the min scout has all of them for the job at hand. On top of that it has the nova knife bonus which is nice to take out that one sentinel guarding the control panel.
Timtron Victory Horizons' Edge 257	Posted - 2015.01.13 16:29:00 - [25] - Quote Something else that came to mind. Is movement speed greater than hacking speed I am wondering if using two complex kincats has the same or a better effect than 2 complex code breakers Dust Weekly Lottery Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 15031	Posted - 2015.01.13 16:50:00 - [26] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Pretty sure the answer is no. but a ADV assault suit that has 4 lows and all 4 comp code breakers could possible be slightly faster. Stacking pentalies. Even 5 modules on logi won't beat minja with 2-3. Codebreakers don't have stacking penalties though... The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Pocket Rocket Girl Psygod9 253	Posted - 2015.01.13 17:53:00 - [27] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Pretty sure the answer is no. but a ADV assault suit that has 4 lows and all 4 comp code breakers could possible be slightly faster. Stacking pentalies. Even 5 modules on logi won't beat minja with 2-3. as far as i knew there weren't any stacking penlites, even in the decription there is no NOTE: stacking blah blah blah thing. and the only thing that WAS faster was before they changed the bonus for the suit min logi was king of hacking Sir Dukey- If one person is smart he should be able to keep vehicle at bay but not destroy it unless its a stupid driver
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 1631	Posted - 2015.01.13 18:11:00 - [28] - Quote dy5t0pia wrote: Timtron Victory wrote: Does anyone know if we would be able to trade BPOs like the Quafe later on? Because if I get that pack I will just have suits that wont be used I predict all items except AUR will be able to be traded. I bet 1 mil ISK that we will not be able to trade stuff like Jara, boosters, respecs, bpos, etc. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 I'm not American, FFS!!!
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 1631	Posted - 2015.01.13 18:16:00 - [29] - Quote Timtron Victory wrote: Something else that came to mind. Is movement speed greater than hacking speed I am wondering if using two complex kincats has the same or a better effect than 2 complex code breakers You mean, like, including the time it takes to get to the objective? What will successfully get the hack in less time? I used to wonder that, but then I realised that there are times when you have no trouble getting to the panel, but you can't hack because they will kill you before you finish. Kincats don't help here. Kincats are only better for hacking at the beginning of the match when objectives are neutral i.e. not defended. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 I'm not American, FFS!!!
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 1631	Posted - 2015.01.13 18:18:00 - [30] - Quote Pocket Rocket Girl wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Pretty sure the answer is no. but a ADV assault suit that has 4 lows and all 4 comp code breakers could possible be slightly faster. Stacking pentalies. Even 5 modules on logi won't beat minja with 2-3. as far as i knew there weren't any stacking penlites, even in the decription there is no NOTE: stacking blah blah blah thing. and the only thing that WAS faster was before they changed the bonus for the suit min logi was king of hacking What I don't understand is that if codebreakers have no stacking penalty, if I put 3 complex codebreakers on a Proto Min Scout, why don't I get an instant hack? Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 I'm not American, FFS!!!



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