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Sgt Kirk wrote:

Ripley Riley wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

Like Pilots having thousands of Ships and Titans in their inventory...

Those pilots had to work up to those ships and titans. They begin their lives in a tiny newbie ship. It can take years to purchase/build then learn to fly something like a titan.

But mercenaries are given a warbarge because reasons. Then they require quite literally 0 SP to operate. I mean, I'll still use one. I'll just need to give up some of my 'willing suspension of disbelief' to do so.

Rattati, have you ever played EVE?
If these warbarges are what we think they are from the things titled "Warbarges" in the past Dust trailers these things are freackin Capital ships, you know how special a capital ship is in EVE?

Capitals do not appear out of thin air for capsuleer, and as a private citizen, it actually takes a great amount of work to actually acquire one.

Apparently people think Titans grow on trees. Once you board that ship you're in it until it goes boom or you abandon it, the ship can't even dock. It's a huge deal.

Of course, if you guys want to go back on lore and make warbarges something like a T1 freighter go ahead, its not like lore is relevant anymore. At least a small freighter is more believable than a damned capital ship.


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MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1869	Posted - 2015.01.13 08:14:00 - [1] - Quote As others have said, I am greatly concerned about in battle bonuses. I do not think they should be a thing, at all. I know I had some initial ideas for stuff like 'drop uplinks take 2 less seconds to spanw in off of" but I worry now that such bonuses may be too powerful. The last thing this game needs is more sources of tank, gank and ewar. CCP Rattati wrote: LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: It would be cool if once you own a Warbarge you can set it up as a public location and people could join it. Like a channel chat, only you can walk around. Like the beginning of game Warbarge, only there is no game that starts and when people exit, they exit back to their merc quarters. Or if its a corp owned one it would have the corp logo on the banners hanging from the rafters. Im a dreamer lol. As the the functionality of it, as long as there is a way to scale its cost, size, and effectiveness to the situation. A merc warbarge shouldn't be priced out of range of a solo merc. When it comes to corp ones, they should have ones whos capabilities and cost reflect the size of an organization. A corp with dozens and dozens of members and some PC land is going to need a more capable warbarge than a entry level corp. We are experimenting with at least allowing players to walk around solo in the Warbarge Command room, because it's just a room we have. I think it would be cool. Will there be different racial warbarges? Can we get the ability to customize it (via different racial banners, different lighting etc). I'm well aware this will probably be a no, as (to my knowledge) there is no one currently doing art assets, but I think this is an important 'eventual'. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1869	Posted - 2015.01.13 08:31:00 - [2] - Quote ^Give me a kaalakiota warbarge and I'll kill anyone you want. IRL. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1872	Posted - 2015.01.13 11:56:00 - [3] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: Pseudogenesis wrote: Warbarges should NOT provide in-match bonuses. No no no. Bad Rattati, bad. ISK generation? Go nuts. Market bonuses? Sure. SP generation? I mean it's pushing it but maybe. But doing extra damage, hacking faster, running faster, etc are way over the line and will only further alienate new players. I've introduced about 10 people to this game and they've all quit because it feels like they're in over their heads and all the vets have a huge in-match advantage. Adding some other method of acquiring such an advantage (especially something as intangible and nebulous as a "warbarge" - why should that make you a better merc on the ground?) is design suicide. The other stuff sounds really great though. Hacked key generation is awesome. Maybe we could have an AUR generator that very very slowly produces aurum? Perhaps having instead of damage output being able to carry more ammo (not increased clip size) would be a good idea? Would free up the need to carry a nanohive for ammo and allow carrying other deployables or other equipment like injectors. Extra equipment maybe. Extra ammo no, that screws with logi's too much. I for one get extremely mad when I toss a triage nanohive down on allies who are in a shootout, only for it to be destroyed 1/4 of a second later because of grenade spam. I only have 3 triage nanohives and when one is immediately destroyed it feels awful, especially because I know I was using it in a situation it was meant to be used in. Would also make equipment based logi's have happy thoughts because they wouldn't feel bad for using equipment in 'sub-optimal' ways. Also a thought on a warbarge function - Improved mission qualities, or certain missions (like the crazy hard 18999 sp in one battle) are easier to complete (10% per subsystem?) Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1874	Posted - 2015.01.13 13:43:00 - [4] - Quote Lady MDK wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: Checking in from my snowboarding holiday......... Lucky B***d!! Looking forward to seeing this in the new expansion and hoping for more than just my merc In a room on their own at some point. Blame the incarna riots for making ccp drop that whole line of development. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1878	Posted - 2015.01.14 01:37:00 - [5] - Quote True Adamance wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: I just want to know how in the world does every mercenary have his own personal Warbarge. You all get a free one to start. from whom?, what for(as in why do we deserve it?, can i sell it for boat load of isk?, wouldn't it be cheaper to make noobs sleep in broom closet? Who flies it? How do they fly it? Why the ** do they listen to me? What am I going to do with it? Did I steal it? Did the Empire give it to me? Why? Where am I going to keep it? Do I have to feed it? Will my landlord let me keep it on the station? Well True, I believe this is largely to lessen the perception that we are 'beneath' capsuleers. To me they kind of make me think of wh40k battle barges. Our methods may be violent but we're one of the least permanently damaging ways to control a planet. Warbarges are essential to our function in flipping districts as the specialized electronic warfare they provides makes orbital defenses vulnerable and our dropsuits provide a direct connection for hacking when defenses are 'neutral'. So I imagine much like how people became capsuleers everyone has their own story. Some may have bought their warbarge, others (like paladin Templars) had them given by their empire, some may have made their own, others may have been stolen or had their former crew murdered singlehandedly for possession. So yeah, it probably has a small crew completely loyal to you for whatever reason (Fear? Devotion? Respect? Profits? Beliefs?). Make your own RP about it, as based on what rattati has said it's practically an open book for RP. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1882	Posted - 2015.01.14 06:40:00 - [6] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Like Pilots having thousands of Ships and Titans in their inventory... Those pilots had to work up to those ships and titans. They begin their lives in a tiny newbie ship. It can take years to purchase/build then learn to fly something like a titan. But mercenaries are given a warbarge because reasons. Then they require quite literally 0 SP to operate. I mean, I'll still use one. I'll just need to give up some of my 'willing suspension of disbelief' to do so. Rattati, have you ever played EVE? If these warbarges are what we think they are from the things titled "Warbarges" in the past Dust trailers these things are freackin Capital ships, you know how special a capital ship is in EVE? Capitals do not appear out of thin air for capsuleer, and as a private citizen, it actually takes a great amount of work to actually acquire one. Apparently people think Titans grow on trees. Once you board that ship you're in it until it goes boom or you abandon it, the ship can't even dock. It's a huge deal. Of course, if you guys want to go back on lore and make warbarges something like a T1 freighter go ahead, its not like lore is relevant anymore. At least a small freighter is more believable than a damned capital ship. Capital != Titan or Mothership, those are SUPERcapitals. Dreads and Carriers and rorquals and orca's are all 'capitals', 3/4 of those cost a billion or less. Hell you could probably even convert a noctis into a 'warbarge'. Warbarges have never been given a proper model even in the trailers. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1882	Posted - 2015.01.14 07:23:00 - [7] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I can PLEX and buy a Titan in 5 seconds. This trolls the Kirk. Glorious. Warbarges are already a success in my mind. Also, dev trolling /thread. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1888	Posted - 2015.01.14 22:32:00 - [8] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: -Snip- huge post about warbarges Personally I hate the idea of having them come in flavors, where people get made to feel bad because they didn't use aur to buy their warbarges. In fact, I hate the idea of having them be massive monetary investments of isk, lp or aurum entirely. Maybe way down the line when they decide to do actual 'skins' for warbarges they could be AUR related, but otherwise I disagree with almost your entire premise. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1890	Posted - 2015.01.15 12:27:00 - [9] - Quote Based on some number wizardry I did in aeons thread, I determined that clone vat bays for 30 clones takes up about 1.8million m3 of space. Orca's have a total volume of just over 10million m3, the Charon (caldari freighter) has a volume of >17million m3 A large battleship like a machariel only has a volume of about .6million So we're looking at something that's larger than a battleship but probably still considerably smaller than an orca.. In fact I'd say warbarges could be done at roughly 1/3-1/2 the total volume of the orca and still have plenty of space for our vehicles, a few MCC's and whatever production facilities / special warbarge stuff is available along with all other regular 'warbarge' functions. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1890	Posted - 2015.01.15 12:53:00 - [10] - Quote I was basing my numbers off of the only things shown to hold jump clones & the stuff to process them in eve, capital clone vat bays which have a listed volume of 10000m3 each, and take about 5-6 per clone. It's probably a gross overestimation and might even be able to be done with half the space per clone vat bay, bringing us down to .9m m3 for 30 clones. With other stuff present we can still end up with something roughly 3x battleship size. Inconsistent numbers bug me. Main point I've been trying to make is that we're not all flying around individual titans, warbarges to me are essentially giant clone production facilities, put in space, with hangars for a few frigate sized things, production facilities for other stuff too. Anyways, as the numbers regularly show themselves to be inconsistent within CCP's own size charts, I'll apologize for further derailing thread and for attempting to speak with any overwhelming authority on the matter and leave with 'They're not as big as people think'. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.

MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1899	Posted - 2015.01.15 23:50:00 - [11] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: I think that if automatic mail messages could be setup to go to people when certain trigger conditions are reached, it could do a lot to handle the narrative while requiring very little Dev development. For instance, the first time a player is in a winning match in which they get a kill and earn more than 100 War Points they would get a mail message from a venture capitalist firm saying that they are looking for new mercenaries to invest in, and telling the player that they show promise. Have the message explain that the firm intends to keep an eye on them and if they prove themselves the firm may be willing to finance the purchasing of a Warbarge to take their mercenary career to the next level. Attaining a loyalty rank with a Faction would trigger a faction specific mail from an Officer in the Faction who is looking to assist up-and-coming mercs to better support the cause. I can understand why you'd want this to be a thing, as honestly this is something that does provide a real feeling of power and growth however I believe that warbarges should be there right from the very start - maybe not as warbarges per se but if they're supposed to provide passive effects to everyone. Even just calling them 'personalized clone vat facilities' before [rite of passage] and they get put into [personal warbarge]. The other issue that I have is that dust is not currently structured in a manner where you can 'really' feel like you earned it. If we had some pve stuff I'd love to see say about 4-5 mission paths that lead to your own warbarge (making one, buying one, having one donated, stealing one, or killing for one). Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1915	Posted - 2015.01.17 14:17:00 - [12] - Quote Lady MDK wrote: Just thinking about warbarge exterior appearance for a minute... Ratati - Are they the ship that the clones are loading onto in this EVE video around 1:22? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFTUazuGdTw No, those are far too small. Those are transport ships of some kind, but not warbarges. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1915	Posted - 2015.01.17 14:23:00 - [13] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Lady MDK wrote: Just thinking about warbarge exterior appearance for a minute... Ratati - Are they the ship that the clones are loading onto in this EVE video around 1:22? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFTUazuGdTw No, those are far too small. Those are transport ships of some kind, but not warbarges. Those are supposed to be amarr dropships. You mean RDVs? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1918	Posted - 2015.01.18 11:02:00 - [14] - Quote Flint Beastgood III wrote: Duke Noobiam wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: I just want to know how in the world does every mercenary have his own personal Warbarge. I am pretending that hundreds of DUST mercs are living in warbarges that they all chip in for. Like giant flying apartment complexes. That's how I justify it in my head... the idea of each merc having his/her own warbarge is silly. I like this concept better than mercs owning warbarges, but I would prefer the following... - Corporatiins own war barges. - Mercs own small pod ships (our merc quarters) that dock to war barges. - Mercs upgrade their individual pods and the corp upgrades the war barges. ^ This. I dislike this entirely. I enjoy the thought of being a one-person private military. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1921	Posted - 2015.01.19 05:52:00 - [15] - Quote Duke Noobiam wrote: Why would you engage in land battles for small amounts of ISK if you can afford a capital ship? Because part of the payouts are in biomass. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1943	Posted - 2015.01.21 06:57:00 - [16] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: This is a huge deal for me. If my merc, day 0, could steal/afford a captail ship why the ** is he doing piddly ass public contracts for 150 - 250k ISK? Why isn't he conquering entire planets? ... Y'know that's kind of what you do in faction warfare and planetary conquest Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1947	Posted - 2015.01.21 14:24:00 - [17] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: This is a huge deal for me. If my merc, day 0, could steal/afford a captail ship why the ** is he doing piddly ass public contracts for 150 - 250k ISK? Why isn't he conquering entire planets? ... Y'know that's kind of what you do in faction warfare and planetary conquest All by his lonesome? No, he's on a team with 15 other mercs in both cases. I meant that if my mercenary was flying around in a capital ship why wasn't he conquering entire planets solo. Cause it's more fun with friends? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.