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HOLY PERFECTION G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 3	Posted - 2015.01.13 03:09:00 - [1] - Quote Logis are really underpowered due to problems with light suits. Light suits, mostly scouts, have too much armor and too many equipment slots. A scout can run around like "Mario" and kill everything with RE`s and shotguns. Now that is understandable to a point to where you cannot even a hit marker in him. Going back to the point scouts have too many equipment slots and too much armor. Top three reasons why scouts are taking over a logis job: 1) Too many equipment slots 2) Way too much armor 3) Too small/ fast to even get a hit marker on them. Now its not the scouts fault, mainly logistics are really underpowered suit wise. By this I mean they DO NOT have enough armor and shield. A logis job is to help its team out any way necessary. 95% of the time your right by the enemy all the time. So when you get bombarded by shotguns, mass drivers, grenades, heavys, plasma cannons, RE`s ( Remote Explosives), and rail rifles it gets annoying really fast. So logis need more armor and shields because they take most of the hits. HERE ARE SOME SOLUTIONS BELOW THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT AND AGREE/DISAGREE AND MAKE SUGGESTIONS https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uXwapEw8FS3snKaSblL-ZOYzd3XpW5kTEzoA-HqnuQw/edit?usp=sharing If the graph doesnt download I will re- post it.
Toobar Zoobar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 95	Posted - 2015.01.13 03:10:00 - [2] - Quote ...what? Your logic is pretty BS. Seriously. Scouts have nowhere near the same bandwidth as logis. Logis by far farm the most WP and you are saying that they are underpowered? No. Specialization: Making typo's.
DarthJT5 Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 184	Posted - 2015.01.13 03:13:00 - [3] - Quote Those equip slots don't help very much when you can only have like one uplink active at a time.... Logi has more ehp, more equipment slots, better bandwith, better scans than 2 of the scouts(arguably), and get bonuses to their equipment. Scouts get to run faster and cloak. How are logistics UP? Dedicated Shield Tanking vet since Open Beta. Up and coming Python pilot. The awnser is always XT missiles....
HOLY PERFECTION G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 3	Posted - 2015.01.13 03:13:00 - [4] - Quote Typos are going to happen when your fingers are twice the size of the keyboard. Also auto correct is a *****.
Apocalyptic Destroyer KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 242	Posted - 2015.01.13 03:30:00 - [5] - Quote I'd be fine with the equipment change, you either have a cloak or you don't. Scouts have the ability to tank massive armor ! Especially the gallente scout and still maintain their speed and have a cloak. And mentioning their speed is irrelevant. Amarrian In Disguise.. Pain is weakness leaving the body. Proto : ADS Pilot, Tanker, Heavy, Scout, Assault
HOLY PERFECTION G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 4	Posted - 2015.01.13 04:14:00 - [6] - Quote Toobar Zoobar wrote: ...what? Your logic is pretty BS. Seriously. Scouts have nowhere near the same bandwidth as logis. Logis by far farm the most WP and you are saying that they are underpowered? No. My logic makes perfect sense. A scout should not be able to run around with a cloak, a RE, a shotgun and 300-450 armor and kill everything with the speed of sonic and the hops like mario. ALSO A SCOUTS MAIN JOB IS NOT TO FARM WP BUT TO PROVIDE ASSISTANCE FOR HEVEYS AND RECON. DEFENANTLY NOT TO KILL A ENTIRE SQUAD BY ITSELF. THATS WHY A LOGI NEEDS A MAJOR BUFF TO DEFEND ITSELF BETTER.
Skullmiser Vulcansu 240	Posted - 2015.01.13 04:26:00 - [7] - Quote In terms of combat, yeah. Logistics only get like sixty more hitpoints at the cost of lots of speed and electronic warfare. At the standard tier, logistics suits don't even all get more equipment. I don't know what you mean by hit marker. Bandwidth is dumb. As logistics, I like to carry an uplink and a repair tool, at the standard level, I'd only need four. As a scout, I like to carry uplinks and explosives. At the standard level, I'd need four plus nine to use all of those things at the standard level. as it is, I can't even use more than two explosives at a time. If this game was fun, I wouldn't be playing it.
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2167	Posted - 2015.01.13 04:41:00 - [8] - Quote There is just so much wrong with that spreadsheet. It would be easier to count the things you got right with it... Home at Last <3
HOLY PERFECTION G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 4	Posted - 2015.01.13 04:43:00 - [9] - Quote would you explain whats wrong hotshot. If you do not say anything then you rest your case. GO BIG OR GO HOME!
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2167	Posted - 2015.01.13 04:48:00 - [10] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: would you explain whats wrong hotshot. If you do not say anything then you rest your case. Everything. It would take me less time to make a completely new spreadsheet than to point out every flaw. But I'm not going to do that. No time. The most glaring flaw is that base stats don't change between tiers. Another one is that the Gallente aren't shield tankers. The third on that I noticed right away is that the Minmatar HP values were, weird... Why do the shields decrease as tier increases? Home at Last <3

Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9202	Posted - 2015.01.13 05:24:00 - [11] - Quote Zanzibar land! CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
taxi bastard Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 296	Posted - 2015.01.13 10:57:00 - [12] - Quote logistics suits scale very well like all medium frames. some at basic level are a bit crap fair enough, but all at advanced and proto have plenty of EHP for combat. as for scouts and bandwidth..... its basically stopped me playing scout. i used to run around putting up links and hacking objectives ...... now i can only have 1 set of uplinks active. anyway if i can not die very often in a dren logi suit and farm WP's like there is no tomorrow i really don't see what your QQing is about - unless you only use the basic gallenti logi i have mini logi to 5 and i am perfectly happy with the whole suit line
Breakin Stuff Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 6364	Posted - 2015.01.13 12:54:00 - [13] - Quote Premise flawed. Solution flawed. Logis In actual combat are UP but that's fixable by boosting native regen . If you're looking to go toe to toe with an assault as an equal you are appealing to the wrong crowd in the wrong game. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Zindorak Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance 1629	Posted - 2015.01.13 14:27:00 - [14] - Quote Wat? Did you smoke something because Logi's make the most WP per game Scouts have Bandwitdth limitations Scouts have lower CPU and PG And Scouts have 2 Equipment slots You can't be a good logi with just a rep tool and a needle; you need hives to support teamates and links to create backup points so when you get pushed back theres that link which could potentially bring you back into the game Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Give me da iskiez Gk0 Scout yay :)
DDx77 The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 82	Posted - 2015.01.13 15:31:00 - [15] - Quote A scout can do uplinks better because of speed and stealth Every suit can do reps or needles or hives just not as well as a logi can. What if a logi had much better survivability but at the cost of being able to use only a sidearm? Or a crazier idea - give logi's the same cloak bonus the scouts get. You wouldn't have the scouts better ewar so I don't think it would be as OP as it sounds
HOLY PERFECTION G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 8	Posted - 2015.01.21 08:02:00 - [16] - Quote Thanks for all the feedback. I really appreciate it. GO BIG OR GO HOME!
HOLY PERFECTION 0verstoned Inc. 16	Posted - 2015.01.30 00:36:00 - [17] - Quote NEW PATCH 1.0 coming out! Support logi bro`s GO BIG OR GO HOME!
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4643	Posted - 2015.01.30 00:54:00 - [18] - Quote Not sure if this is a Anti-Scout or Pro-Logi thread....anyways. Match Slot layout to that of the Assault across all tiers Bring Base HP up but not to exceed that of the Assault Maintain lower speed, perhaps an increase to Stamina All Logistics should have 3 or more equipment at all tiers Amarr to maintain sidearm, STD, ADV, and PRO all have 3 Equipment Also FYI, 5 equipment isn't possible via the limitations of the game, so Cal, Gal, and Min will max out at 4 equipment, Amarr at 3. Additionally the only base stats that change between tiers of suits are the number of slots, and the PG/CPU. Don't break existing convention by messing with the base HP, reps, regen, speed, ect. No other suit in the game works like that, so there's not reason Logis should. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 595	Posted - 2015.01.30 01:05:00 - [19] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Toobar Zoobar wrote: ...what? Your logic is pretty BS. Seriously. Scouts have nowhere near the same bandwidth as logis. Logis by far farm the most WP and you are saying that they are underpowered? No. My logic makes perfect sense. A scout should not be able to run around with a cloak, a RE, a shotgun and 300-450 armor and kill everything with the speed of sonic and the hops like mario. ALSO A SCOUTS MAIN JOB IS NOT TO FARM WP BUT TO PROVIDE ASSISTANCE FOR HEVEYS AND RECON. DEFENANTLY NOT TO KILL A ENTIRE SQUAD BY ITSELF. THATS WHY A LOGI NEEDS A MAJOR BUFF TO DEFEND ITSELF BETTER. SO, you are saying that, because Scouts are (arguably) OP, that logi (assuming your class) needs a buff? If scout's OPness (many subjective assertions in just those 3 words alone) are hurting logis...then by your logic shouldn't you nerf scouts Equipment use? I don't think I can get on board with this. It's a very non-sequitor statement...
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 2000	Posted - 2015.01.30 09:31:00 - [20] - Quote scouts better logis? I challenge you to make a scout with -around 700 total hp -Viziam Flux Drop Uplink or Viziam Gauged Drop Uplink -Ishukone Gauged Nanohive -ability to throw out all of those uplinks and nanohives without popping them -Six Kin Triage Repair Tool -Wiyrkomi Nanite Injector -proto weapon or atleast advanced weapon if proto does not fit please show me your "better" logi. oh wait, you cant, not enough equipment, not enough bandwith, not enoug fitting room.

Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2151	Posted - 2015.01.30 10:58:00 - [21] - Quote This whole discussion is pointless without first defining what a logi's role is supposed to be. 10ISK to whomever gives the best description Edit: And it has to be more impressive than 'equipment guy' Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
Alena Ventrallis Intara Direct Action Caldari State 2497	Posted - 2015.01.30 12:22:00 - [22] - Quote Logistics provide support to slayers. They resupply ammo, repair armor, provide scans, place respawn links, and other duties that aren't directly killing the enemy. This allows slayers to continue slaying longer. 10 ISK, right meow! Listen to my muscle memory Contemplate what I've been clinging to Forty-six and two ahead of me
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6198	Posted - 2015.01.30 13:30:00 - [23] - Quote -1 for concept. -1 for delivery. Scouts have been nerfed plenty. They are not to blame for your problems, real or otherwise. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Gyn Wallace OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 205	Posted - 2015.01.30 14:29:00 - [24] - Quote I was a pretty huge advocate for nerfing scouts. I still ocassionally get shotgunned or blown up by a frizbee RE, but its not nearly as bad as it was for a while. Its almost infrequent now. I'm not getting zero hit detection on strafing scouts any more than on speed tanked assaults, so that's kind of balanced. Logis are still due for a buff. They're too expensive and too squishy. They need either a speed or tank buff, something to bring down the deaths, or a drastic cut to the cost of equipment. Having the most WP in a match and a decent payout, but still losing isk, isn't balanced. Logis don't need an efficacy buff. If we become more effective, we'll simply become a higher priority target. Cheap slayer fits will happily suicide (or perhaps not even die) to take us out. We just need to be more survivable or cheaper. Such a buff wouldn't infringe on anyone else's role or make Logis OP. The Dust/Eve Isk Exchange Thread
HOLY PERFECTION OUTCAST MERCS RISE of LEGION 23	Posted - 2015.02.08 20:06:00 - [25] - Quote Logis need buffed. Thats final *I WILL WIN... DESTINY*


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