DUST Search - DECRESING ARMOR BAD!

HOLY PERFECTION wrote:

Ok this topic has been bothering me for some time now and since today CCP posted a comment of how they are considering decrecing armor plating. All I got to say to that is... wow. I am totally against what CCP might do.

Listen CCP, you killed of the Ammar heavy`s pretty well. First you nerfed the machine gun almost completely. Then you made us so **** slow that we cannot keep up with anything else in the game. Ammars need their armor, and if you nerf the Ammar anymore you will have a horrible balancing problem on your hands.

So for this reason I have came up with a few ways to fix and majorly improve this problem. This will also add to the overall games theme for each race. Or A.K.A games core fundamentals.

ARMOR PLATING
STA /ADV /PRO

AMMAR: 80/115/150

Minmitar: 80/110/140

Caldari: 80/ 105/ 130

Gallente: 80/ 100/ 125

* Please note that the reason for the major difference in the proto armor is to one make the proto equipment worth it.
The difference between each race is because of the role of each race. Example: Ammar is armor based, while gallente is shield based, so an Ammar should have more armor than the gallente.

Now while im on this topic im going to address shields. Shields in the game are ok at the moment. However im not a gallente. However since im talking about ammars having more armor, why don't shield based have more shield too.

SHIELD
STA/ ADV/ PRO

AMMAR: 30/50/74

Mimitar: 35/50/75

Caldari: 35/50/75

Gallente: 35/55/77

*** CCP this would work and you should consider implementing this into the game. In all honesty, proto gear isn't worth it anymore and your killing the Ammar race. Congradulations!

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HOLY PERFECTION G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.01.09 05:19:00 - [1] - Quote Ok this topic has been bothering me for some time now and since today CCP posted a comment of how they are considering decrecing armor plating. All I got to say to that is... wow. I am totally against what CCP might do. Listen CCP, you killed of the Ammar heavy`s pretty well. First you nerfed the machine gun almost completely. Then you made us so **** slow that we cannot keep up with anything else in the game. Ammars need their armor, and if you nerf the Ammar anymore you will have a horrible balancing problem on your hands. So for this reason I have came up with a few ways to fix and majorly improve this problem. This will also add to the overall games theme for each race. Or A.K.A games core fundamentals. ARMOR PLATING STA /ADV /PRO AMMAR: 80/115/150 Minmitar: 80/110/140 Caldari: 80/ 105/ 130 Gallente: 80/ 100/ 125 * Please note that the reason for the major difference in the proto armor is to one make the proto equipment worth it. The difference between each race is because of the role of each race. Example: Ammar is armor based, while gallente is shield based, so an Ammar should have more armor than the gallente. Now while im on this topic im going to address shields. Shields in the game are ok at the moment. However im not a gallente. However since im talking about ammars having more armor, why don't shield based have more shield too. SHIELD STA/ ADV/ PRO AMMAR: 30/50/74 Mimitar: 35/50/75 Caldari: 35/50/75 Gallente: 35/55/77 *** CCP this would work and you should consider implementing this into the game. In all honesty, proto gear isn't worth it anymore and your killing the Ammar race. Congradulations!
killian178 Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 69	Posted - 2015.01.09 06:13:00 - [2] - Quote Cal are shields, gal are armor, amarr dual, min speed. Every commando k.o, every weapon at adv or above. Don't give a damn bout my kdr, I will kill you.
HOLY PERFECTION G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.01.09 06:17:00 - [3] - Quote Ya expose to be but really minmitars have a lot more armor than shield. Also a minmitar is a logi and needs to be bumped up armor wise.
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 696	Posted - 2015.01.09 06:33:00 - [4] - Quote killian178 wrote: Cal are shields, gal are armor, amarr dual, min speed. And its amarr No wonder I keep seeing Gallente suits with more armor then they can afford. Amarr are the armor tanking race of Eve. Caldari are shields. Gallente are armor repair tanking Minmatar speed or dual tank. Changes to Damage mods!
Breakin Stuff Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 6239	Posted - 2015.01.09 06:43:00 - [5] - Quote Amarr are armor. Gal are armor rep. Min are either/or Cal are shields. Amarr are not dual tank. Dual tank is the idiot ball of DUST 514. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 696	Posted - 2015.01.09 06:52:00 - [6] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Amarr are armor. Gal are armor rep. Min are either/or Cal are shields. Amarr are not dual tank. Dual tank is the idiot ball of DUST 514. THANK YOU! Seriously, why do they all keep thinking that the Gallente are the armor tanking race? They have crap stamina bar and regen to aupport being slow andhave lower armor than the Amarr base stats. Where do they get the idea that Gallente are the armor tanking race? .-. Changes to Damage mods!
Breakin Stuff Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 6239	Posted - 2015.01.09 07:57:00 - [7] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Amarr are armor. Gal are armor rep. Min are either/or Cal are shields. Amarr are not dual tank. Dual tank is the idiot ball of DUST 514. THANK YOU! Seriously, why do they all keep thinking that the Gallente are the armor tanking race? They have crap stamina bar and regen to aupport being slow andhave lower armor than the Amarr base stats. Where do they get the idea that Gallente are the armor tanking race? .-. Originally? The sentinel has almost even base armor and shields so they're crystal balling based on that. Also because amsent resistences are split o the armor and shields like the minmatar. Older versions of the amarr suits were closer to balanced armor and shield spread. And CCP did a weirdo and gave the amsent a 2/3 slot layout when they themselves said amarr were supposed to be the armor bricks. And the amarr medium layouts were closer to even which gave every tom **** and harry the idea that amarr were suppused to be dual tanked bricks. Amarr are ARMOR PLATE TANK. They always have been, always will be. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6944	Posted - 2015.01.09 11:33:00 - [8] - Quote Amarr have more stamina then other suits and have Cardiac Regulators. It makes movement speed irrelevant since you can sprint everywhere. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Zindorak Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance 1605	Posted - 2015.01.09 13:02:00 - [9] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: while gallente is shield based wat Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Give me da iskiez Gk0 Scout yay :)
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2367	Posted - 2015.01.09 15:22:00 - [10] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Amarr have more stamina then other suits and have Cardiac Regulators. It makes movement speed irrelevant since you can sprint everywhere. Tell that to the dopes tha that keep lobbying to have Amarr speed buffed Amarr/Minmatar vehicles are OP (especially Minmatar speed tanks) ^The reason why CCP is afraid to release them

John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 5091	Posted - 2015.01.09 15:37:00 - [11] - Quote Zindorak wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: while gallente is shield based wat IKR? killian178 wrote: Cal are shields, gal are armor, amarr dual, min speed. And its amarr Ugh. I almost had a seizure reading that. (The godfather of tactical logisticsGäó)
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6963	Posted - 2015.01.09 17:05:00 - [12] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Amarr have more stamina then other suits and have Cardiac Regulators. It makes movement speed irrelevant since you can sprint everywhere. Tell that to the dopes that keep lobbying to have Amarr speed buffed I have, my face is now purple. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Ku Shala The Generals 1121	Posted - 2015.01.09 17:36:00 - [13] - Quote I believe the armour tanking parity confusion comes from the slot layout between cal / gallante since they are rivals they must be opposites which to some degree is true but the misconception of how to shield tank ( using extenders) both are similar in the fact that they are regen tanks. caldari and gallante not as different as everyone thinks opposites but the same... ccp is correct about armour being high but only because of the repair ability of the rep tool and nano hives, why should one equipment be more effective than 3 high slots ? *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (CK-0 Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist Burst RR should fire like a charge sniper
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 5092	Posted - 2015.01.09 17:43:00 - [14] - Quote Ku Shala wrote: I believe the armour tanking parity confusion comes from the slot layout between cal / gallante since they are rivals they must be opposites which to some degree is true but the misconception of how to shield tank ( using extenders) both are similar in the fact that they are regen tanks. caldari and gallante not as different as everyone thinks opposites but the same... ccp is correct about armour being high but only because of the repair ability of the rep tool and nano hives, why should one equipment be more effective than 3 high slots ? ( to get my shield to regen the same as an armour repair tool does to a armour) I understand and don't so much disagree with your issue with the shield/armor thing but let's be fair, It's not really one piece of equipment that's more effective than 3 high slots. It's a second entire dropsuit. The armor tanked suit doesn't equip it himself, turn it on, and keep shooting. It's not a triple rep maddy FFS. (The godfather of tactical logisticsGäó)
Breakin Stuff Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 6252	Posted - 2015.01.09 20:12:00 - [15] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Amarr have more stamina then other suits and have Cardiac Regulators. It makes movement speed irrelevant since you can sprint everywhere. Tell that to the dopes that keep lobbying to have Amarr speed buffed I have, my face is now purple. that thread gave 27% of all pubbies who read it cancer EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3468	Posted - 2015.01.09 21:42:00 - [16] - Quote Is this a joke? "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 842	Posted - 2015.01.09 21:51:00 - [17] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Ok this topic has been bothering me for some time now and since today CCP posted a comment of how they are considering decrecing armor plating. All I got to say to that is... wow. I am totally against what CCP might do. Listen CCP, you killed of the Ammar heavy`s pretty well. First you nerfed the machine gun almost completely. Then you made us so **** slow that we cannot keep up with anything else in the game. Ammars need their armor, and if you nerf the Ammar anymore you will have a horrible balancing problem on your hands. So for this reason I have came up with a few ways to fix and majorly improve this problem. This will also add to the overall games theme for each race. Or A.K.A games core fundamentals. ARMOR PLATING STA /ADV /PRO AMMAR: 80/115/150 Minmitar: 80/110/140 Caldari: 80/ 105/ 130 Gallente: 80/ 100/ 125 * Please note that the reason for the major difference in the proto armor is to one make the proto equipment worth it. The difference between each race is because of the role of each race. Example: Ammar is armor based, while gallente is shield based, so an Ammar should have more armor than the gallente. Now while im on this topic im going to address shields. Shields in the game are ok at the moment. However im not a gallente. However since im talking about ammars having more armor, why don't shield based have more shield too. SHIELD STA/ ADV/ PRO AMMAR: 30/50/74 Mimitar: 35/50/75 Caldari: 35/50/75 Gallente: 35/55/77 *** CCP this would work and you should consider implementing this into the game. In all honesty, proto gear isn't worth it anymore and your killing the Ammar race. Congradulations! scrub meter is going off the charts Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2368	Posted - 2015.01.09 21:52:00 - [18] - Quote killian178 wrote: Cal are shields, gal are armor, amarr dual, min speed. And its amarr It is also Minmatar not Minmitar Amarr/Minmatar vehicles are OP (especially Minmatar speed tanks) ^The reason why CCP is afraid to release them
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6965	Posted - 2015.01.09 22:01:00 - [19] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Amarr have more stamina then other suits and have Cardiac Regulators. It makes movement speed irrelevant since you can sprint everywhere. Tell that to the dopes that keep lobbying to have Amarr speed buffed I have, my face is now purple. that thread gave 27% of all pubbies who read it cancer Half the forums is cancer: they are my alts. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 706	Posted - 2015.01.09 22:16:00 - [20] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Amarr have more stamina then other suits and have Cardiac Regulators. It makes movement speed irrelevant since you can sprint everywhere. Tell that to the dopes that keep lobbying to have Amarr speed buffed I have, my face is now purple. that thread gave 27% of all pubbies who read it cancer Half the forums is cancer: they are my alts. I don't know who's alts is whos anymore Changes to Damage mods!

el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 727	Posted - 2015.01.10 00:16:00 - [21] - Quote LOL @ everything in here, from the OP to this point here -> . just lulz Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 51	Posted - 2015.01.10 00:58:00 - [22] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: killian178 wrote: Cal are shields, gal are armor, amarr dual, min speed. And its amarr No wonder I keep seeing Gallente suits with more armor then they can afford. Amarr are the armor tanking race of Eve. Caldari are shields. Gallente are armor repair tanking Minmatar speed or dual tank. they were dual in dust, there ship preference doesn't dictate their dropsuit . Emperor Gucci
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 712	Posted - 2015.01.10 03:28:00 - [23] - Quote All Gucci wrote: Buwaro Draemon wrote: killian178 wrote: Cal are shields, gal are armor, amarr dual, min speed. And its amarr No wonder I keep seeing Gallente suits with more armor then they can afford. Amarr are the armor tanking race of Eve. Caldari are shields. Gallente are armor repair tanking Minmatar speed or dual tank. they were dual in dust, there ship preference doesn't dictate their dropsuit . It's not ship preference. It's race preference. Even by looking at the hase stats you would know each race's tanking style. Amarr: have higher base armor. They are the armor tanking race of New Eden. Gallente: They have the highest base armor repair speed. They are the armor repair tanking race. Minmatar: Low eHP but high speed. Speed tankers. Caldari: High base shield stat. So they are the shield race. Yes, you can completely armor tank a Gallente suit. But you will be outplayed by an Amarr suit. Changes to Damage mods!
killian178 Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 72	Posted - 2015.01.10 18:48:00 - [24] - Quote All Gucci wrote: Buwaro Draemon wrote: killian178 wrote: Cal are shields, gal are armor, amarr dual, min speed. And its amarr No wonder I keep seeing Gallente suits with more armor then they can afford. Amarr are the armor tanking race of Eve. Caldari are shields. Gallente are armor repair tanking Minmatar speed or dual tank. they were dual in dust, there ship preference doesn't dictate their dropsuit . Exactly. This isnt eve Plus were splitting hairs here. My amarr only out performs my gal only dual tanked, given my amar weapons are predominantly ranged Every commando k.o, every weapon at adv or above. Don't give a damn bout my kdr, I will kill you.
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 717	Posted - 2015.01.10 21:55:00 - [25] - Quote killian178 wrote: All Gucci wrote: Buwaro Draemon wrote: killian178 wrote: Cal are shields, gal are armor, amarr dual, min speed. And its amarr No wonder I keep seeing Gallente suits with more armor then they can afford. Amarr are the armor tanking race of Eve. Caldari are shields. Gallente are armor repair tanking Minmatar speed or dual tank. they were dual in dust, there ship preference doesn't dictate their dropsuit . Exactly. This isnt eve Plus were splitting hairs here. My amarr only out performs my gal only dual tanked, given my amar weapons are predominantly ranged The game is branded Eve: Dust 514 So yeah, this is Eve. Changes to Damage mods!
killian178 Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 73	Posted - 2015.01.11 22:00:00 - [26] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: killian178 wrote: Cal are shields, gal are armor, amarr dual, min speed. And its amarr It is also Minmatar not Minmitar Didnt say it was...... Every commando k.o, every weapon at adv or above. Don't give a damn bout my kdr, I will kill you.
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 1293	Posted - 2015.01.11 23:56:00 - [27] - Quote killian178 wrote: amarr dual **** off Dual tanking is for bad players. Come play a better game.
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1516	Posted - 2015.01.12 00:03:00 - [28] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Ok this topic has been bothering me for some time now and since today CCP posted a comment of how they are considering decrecing armor plating. All I got to say to that is... wow. I am totally against what CCP might do. Listen CCP, you killed of the Ammar heavy`s pretty well. First you nerfed the machine gun almost completely. Then you made us so **** slow that we cannot keep up with anything else in the game. Ammars need their armor, and if you nerf the Ammar anymore you will have a horrible balancing problem on your hands. So for this reason I have came up with a few ways to fix and majorly improve this problem. This will also add to the overall games theme for each race. Or A.K.A games core fundamentals. ARMOR PLATING STA /ADV /PRO AMMAR: 80/115/150 Minmitar: 80/110/140 Caldari: 80/ 105/ 130 Gallente: 80/ 100/ 125 * Please note that the reason for the major difference in the proto armor is to one make the proto equipment worth it. The difference between each race is because of the role of each race. Example: Ammar is armor based, while gallente is shield based, so an Ammar should have more armor than the gallente. Now while im on this topic im going to address shields. Shields in the game are ok at the moment. However im not a gallente. However since im talking about ammars having more armor, why don't shield based have more shield too. SHIELD STA/ ADV/ PRO AMMAR: 30/50/74 Mimitar: 35/50/75 Caldari: 35/50/75 Gallente: 35/55/77 *** CCP this would work and you should consider implementing this into the game. In all honesty, proto gear isn't worth it anymore and your killing the Ammar race. Congradulations! Amarr heavy is fine, HMG is still OP. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 16502	Posted - 2015.01.12 00:25:00 - [29] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: killian178 wrote: amarr dual **** off How can people two years down the road be this inept. The worst thing CCP did for this game was actually introduce racial dropsuits in Dust as it gave people the idea that they suddenly had some idea about the way Empire Factions in EVE work. Thunder well done. You are a good Amarrian and God will reward you. Killian on the other hand...... needs to be educated. The Amarr do not dual tank. They, like the Gallente, armour tank as their primary form of Ship protection, this is very likely the case as well in Dust 514 as the same producers of such ship based technologies such as Carthum Conglomerate and Vizam would apply the same technologies that already exist on a smaller scale than rely on less developed technologies. The Amarr are noted for their significantly more resilient ships which typically receive bonuses to laser/energy based based weapons platforms and technologies while supplimenting this with armour resistance bonuses which serves to reinforced their battle doctrines for enduring the enemy and draining their will to fight. Even the Minmatar who are traditionally not bound by armour or shield tanking refrain from dual tanking as it is inefficient compared to having a very strong Shield or Armour Tank. I also wouldn't necessarily say the Minmatar are Speed tankers..... since every race has the capability to speed tank to some degree. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 1294	Posted - 2015.01.12 00:32:00 - [30] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I also wouldn't necessarily say the Minmatar are Speed tankers..... since every race has the capability to speed tank to some degree. Nano Naugs FTW Dual tanking is for bad players. Come play a better game.



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