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Clone D
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Posted - 2015.01.08 17:34:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:I'm bent on stopping these f*cks from taking my role away from me.
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Running around shooting things on the same 4 maps and the same 3 game modes over and over and over bored me to tears; this was the thing that kept me interested in Dust, the intellectual challenge of countering the enemy without needing to be the FC. Or even in a highly organized squad.
These are reasonable concerns, and I'm glad you are seeking intellectual challenge.
However, if tourist logis were setting uplinks in the middle of the roads, then why didn't you put your uplinks in a more desirable position so that people would opt to use your uplinks instead of the tourist logi uplinks?
There's no reason to put a hamper on everyone else's play style because you were upset. Just figure out a way to play your role smarter and better. I did. |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
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Posted - 2015.01.08 17:54:00 -
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Clone D wrote:
These are reasonable concerns, and I'm glad you are seeking intellectual challenge.
However, if tourist logis were setting uplinks in the middle of the roads, then why didn't you put your uplinks in a more desirable position so that people would opt to use your uplinks instead of the tourist logi uplinks?
I did. They still get lost in the sea of blue on the map, hampering both my ability to replace them and for others to figure out the "best" one to use... it's unecessarily diffcult to see where an uplink is in 3 dimensions on the respawn screen.
Clone D wrote: There's no reason to put a hamper on everyone else's play style because you were upset. .
lolwut? Pot call kettle black much? First off, MY playstyle was the one being marginalized for nearly a year. Nobody's stopping anyone from using EQ, you just need to use a logi suit to gain maximal efficacy. Don't waste everyone's time trying to make logis look like the selfish ones, that is an argument you can't possibly win anywhere but in your own mind.
Second, upset vs unable to perform my preferred role are not the same things. I have a life, and don't need to be on the top of the leaderboard so I can wave my epeen. Loss of WP is annoying but hardly a deal-breaker... No longer enjoying the game because of this was.
Clone D wrote: Just figure out a way to play your role smarter and better. I did
But you can't now because....?
(The godfather of tactical logisticsGäó)
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DDx77
The Exemplars
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.01.08 18:06:00 -
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Nothing wrong with those play styles
The answer is that CCP , logi, and players in general noticed nano spam and uplink spam all over the maps and at supply depots.
Bandwidth is their way of telling us we were doing it wrong I guess.
A lot of people defending BW here, but how effective has it been?
I personally don't like BW. spamming nanohives and uplinks still happens
Ive seen an increase in one sided matches since 1.10
matches are slightly boring and limited as I now have less options to work with
( ie: I've stopped using proxies and nanohives on my fits as it is much more efficient to keep uplinks alive)
& Proxy mines and re's should not have bandwidth
It must also be Confusing and convoluted to new players
So it's "working as intended" but it's kinda dumb since I'm still able to tourist logi even with the limitations BW imposed
( I can rep, use needles, and use uplinks)
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Flint Beastgood III
Carbon 7
Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2015.01.08 20:08:00 -
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Damn you Ripley! Stop making so many likable posts, lol.
*stops reading thread*
Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164
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Clone D
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Posted - 2015.01.08 20:27:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:I will leave you with this... Bandwidth, in its current state, is working as intended. That might mean some of your previous playstyles won't function as well as they used to in terms of ISK efficiency and WP/death. This was almost assuredly done on purpose, as the previous bandwidth-less Dust Uprising was not healthy and allowed other roles to eclipse the logi, at least in terms of deployable equipment. So many of your issues can be traced back to either using lower tiered fittings or running solo... Lower tiered fittings are meant to have fewer resources; less CPU, PG, slots, and yes, bandwidth. This is also was done intentionally. You may have to use advanced or prototype dropsuits to deploy more equipment, just the same as you may have to run advanced or prototype dropsuits to fit more/better modules. You know why you should run in a squad already. You know why soloing is not a smart decision. I don't have to tell you again. As someone else said in a previous thread of yours, you are beyond help  You cannot be shown reason. I will let someone else bump your bandwidth threads from now on.
We have addressed all of this before and you have shown that you cannot enter a debate without using circular arguments. Repetition does not constitute continuing an argument thoroughly. You are the brick wall, while I am willing to walk forward and create new syllogisms, for the sake of reason and curiosity, not a personal agenda.
You fail to engage the idea of "margin of supporting contribution", and show that your personal standards are much more important to you than reason, reality or practicality.
You fail to think globally, holistically or from any perspective outside of your little "I am right" shell.
When you're ready to finish the debate, I'll be waiting. |
Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
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Posted - 2015.01.08 21:12:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Clone D wrote:Infiltration: Profile dampen scout to 14 db. Carry an R-9 uplink. Go to an enemy objective. Drop two uplinks at separate locations on the outskirts. Move in and hack everything. Set 3 REs on/around the objective. (Current total BW 17) Is the RE completely necessary for this playstyle? The uplinks allow your team to begin deploying in your location. Other mercs can deploy REs if they are really necessary. Just tell your squa-nevermind this is a Clone D thread. Clone D wrote:Shotgun hunter: Scouts make great shotgun hunters due to their speed and ewar capabilities. Carry a triage hive and an ammo hive. If I were running low on HP and ammo, in a crunch, I could drop both hives, rep and restock and quickly get back into action. (Current total BW 8) Just use an advanced or prototype scout dropsuit... not seeing a problem here.
Yep. Proto buffed. Squad buffed. What is the biggest problem in this game? Protosquads stomping the crap out of the other team and CCP decides to help them do it better.
Because, that's why.
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el OPERATOR
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Bad Intention
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Posted - 2015.01.08 21:39:00 -
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OmniLogiBWHater in the thread says:
LOL
Open-Beta Vet.
Drunk Night Tree Burner.
This is my Main and Original.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
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Breakin Stuff
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.01.08 22:37:00 -
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Clone D wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:I will leave you with this... Bandwidth, in its current state, is working as intended. That might mean some of your previous playstyles won't function as well as they used to in terms of ISK efficiency and WP/death. This was almost assuredly done on purpose, as the previous bandwidth-less Dust Uprising was not healthy and allowed other roles to eclipse the logi, at least in terms of deployable equipment. So many of your issues can be traced back to either using lower tiered fittings or running solo... Lower tiered fittings are meant to have fewer resources; less CPU, PG, slots, and yes, bandwidth. This is also was done intentionally. You may have to use advanced or prototype dropsuits to deploy more equipment, just the same as you may have to run advanced or prototype dropsuits to fit more/better modules. You know why you should run in a squad already. You know why soloing is not a smart decision. I don't have to tell you again. As someone else said in a previous thread of yours, you are beyond help You cannot be shown reason. I will let someone else bump your bandwidth threads from now on. We have addressed all of this before and you have shown that you cannot enter a debate without using circular arguments. Repetition does not constitute continuing an argument thoroughly. You are the brick wall, while I am willing to walk forward and create new syllogisms, for the sake of reason and curiosity, not a personal agenda. You fail to engage the idea of "margin of supporting contribution", and show that your personal standards are much more important to you than reason, reality or practicality. You fail to think globally, holistically or from any perspective outside of your little "I am right" shell. When you're ready to finish the debate, I'll be waiting.
the only result you'll accept as valid is the one where people agree with you.
this game is what, three years old on the DUST forums now?
EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
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Clone D
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Posted - 2015.01.08 22:41:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Clone D wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:I will leave you with this... Bandwidth, in its current state, is working as intended. That might mean some of your previous playstyles won't function as well as they used to in terms of ISK efficiency and WP/death. This was almost assuredly done on purpose, as the previous bandwidth-less Dust Uprising was not healthy and allowed other roles to eclipse the logi, at least in terms of deployable equipment. So many of your issues can be traced back to either using lower tiered fittings or running solo... Lower tiered fittings are meant to have fewer resources; less CPU, PG, slots, and yes, bandwidth. This is also was done intentionally. You may have to use advanced or prototype dropsuits to deploy more equipment, just the same as you may have to run advanced or prototype dropsuits to fit more/better modules. You know why you should run in a squad already. You know why soloing is not a smart decision. I don't have to tell you again. As someone else said in a previous thread of yours, you are beyond help You cannot be shown reason. I will let someone else bump your bandwidth threads from now on. We have addressed all of this before and you have shown that you cannot enter a debate without using circular arguments. Repetition does not constitute continuing an argument thoroughly. You are the brick wall, while I am willing to walk forward and create new syllogisms, for the sake of reason and curiosity, not a personal agenda. You fail to engage the idea of "margin of supporting contribution", and show that your personal standards are much more important to you than reason, reality or practicality. You fail to think globally, holistically or from any perspective outside of your little "I am right" shell. When you're ready to finish the debate, I'll be waiting. the only result you'll accept as valid is the one where people agree with you. this game is what, three years old on the DUST forums now?
Well you just turned that one around, didn't you. No, I am saying that I want a conversation that continues to the end, not one where my opponent simply says "I'm right and that's how it's gonna be." and then they discontinue the dialog. |
ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.01.09 01:20:00 -
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Clone D wrote:Why are these methods frowned upon?
Here are some examples of how I used to deploy scout equipment:
Infiltration: Profile dampen scout to 14 db. Carry an R-9 uplink. Go to an enemy objective. Drop two uplinks at separate locations on the outskirts. Move in and hack everything. Set 3 REs on/around the objective. (Current total BW 17)
Shotgun hunter: Scouts make great shotgun hunters due to their speed and ewar capabilities. Carry a triage hive and an ammo hive. If I were running low on HP and ammo, in a crunch, I could drop both hives, rep and restock and quickly get back into action. (Current total BW 8)
What specifically is wrong with either of those two play styles?
where is the cloak. the 2nd slot was for a cloak. if you want to not fit a cloak thats ok but suffer the consequence of not having enough BW for the equipment you do fit.
All Hail Legion
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