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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.01.04 21:33:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:P14GU3 wrote:Umm war of 1812? Revolutionary wars? Pretty sure we had rifles by that point and still marched in straight lines at each other.. You missed his point. His point is that no one uses this tactic anymore. Point me to one nation today that still -- to this day -- sends its troops into another country in a phalanx formation to invade. Even during the American Revolutionary War the tactic of blindsiding your enemy and guerrilla warfare was already being employed in some cases. Nowadays, catching your enemy by surprise is a routine tactic. Most nations would laugh at you for still using Phalanx formations outside of a marching band. If you READ my first post (instead of being butthurt about the coward comment,) I said the United States and its Apache training changed this (during the revolutionary war.)
/popcorn
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P14GU3
Savage Bullet
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Posted - 2015.01.04 21:34:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:P14GU3 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:P14GU3 wrote:Umm war of 1812? Revolutionary wars? Pretty sure we had rifles by that point and still marched in straight lines at each other.. You missed his point. His point is that no one uses this tactic anymore. Point me to one nation today that still -- to this day -- sends its troops into another country in a phalanx formation to invade. Even during the American Revolutionary War the tactic of blindsiding your enemy and guerrilla warfare was already being employed in some cases. Nowadays, catching your enemy by surprise is a routine tactic. Most nations would laugh at you for still using Phalanx formations outside of a marching band. If you READ my first post (instead of being butthurt about the coward comment,) I said the United States and its Apache training changed this (during the revolutionary war.) /popcorn Pass it this way please
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Dreis Shadowweaver
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
1270
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Posted - 2015.01.04 21:35:00 -
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The butthurt is strong with this thread
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.01.04 21:36:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote: /popcorn
Pass it this way please
ok
/passes it over to Leadfoot10 instead.
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
6965
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Posted - 2015.01.04 21:40:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote: Umm war of 1812? Revolutionary wars? Pretty sure we had rifles by that point and still marched in straight lines at each other..
Do you even know your history?
How do you think the US won the revolution?
It saw lines of soldiers marching in groups and lines under ridiculous battle tactics, and went gorilla warfare on them. They ambushed and flanked and set traps. They didn't fight head to head.
Napoleonic tactics were not about honor but about marching people to their deaths and overwhelming the enemy. The reason Cavalry was so important back then was so infantry on horseback could out maneuver large masses of marching men and cut them down from the sides and back.
During Gettysburg, the Confederates tried everything they could to flank Little Round Top and take it because of its strategic advantage and NOT wanting to take it head on if they could help it (the reason that Pickett's Charge was a massive failure and huge mistake, was because it was a head on charge).
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Dreis Shadowweaver
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
1270
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Posted - 2015.01.04 21:42:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote: /popcorn
Pass it this way please Do you mind if he passes it from your flank?
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P14GU3
Savage Bullet
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Posted - 2015.01.04 21:44:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:P14GU3 wrote: Umm war of 1812? Revolutionary wars? Pretty sure we had rifles by that point and still marched in straight lines at each other..
Do you even know your history? How do you think the US won the revolution? It saw lines of soldiers marching in groups and lines under ridiculous battle tactics, and went gorilla warfare on them. They ambushed and flanked and set traps. They didn't fight head to head. Napoleonic tactics were not about honor but about marching people to their deaths and overwhelming the enemy. The reason Cavalry was so important back then was so infantry on horseback could out maneuver large masses of marching men and cut them down from the sides and back. During Gettysburg, the Confederates tried everything they could to flank Little Round Top and take it because of its strategic advantage and NOT wanting to take it head on if they could help it (the reason that Pickett's Charge was a massive failure and huge mistake, was because it was a head on charge). Did ANYONE read my first post? Or even my last?
I'm starting to doubt the reading comprehension of this community...
I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
6966
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Posted - 2015.01.04 21:50:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:One Eyed King wrote:P14GU3 wrote: Umm war of 1812? Revolutionary wars? Pretty sure we had rifles by that point and still marched in straight lines at each other..
Do you even know your history? How do you think the US won the revolution? It saw lines of soldiers marching in groups and lines under ridiculous battle tactics, and went gorilla warfare on them. They ambushed and flanked and set traps. They didn't fight head to head. Napoleonic tactics were not about honor but about marching people to their deaths and overwhelming the enemy. The reason Cavalry was so important back then was so infantry on horseback could out maneuver large masses of marching men and cut them down from the sides and back. During Gettysburg, the Confederates tried everything they could to flank Little Round Top and take it because of its strategic advantage and NOT wanting to take it head on if they could help it (the reason that Pickett's Charge was a massive failure and huge mistake, was because it was a head on charge). Did ANYONE read my first post? Or even my last? I'm starting to doubt the reading comprehension of this community... Yes.
I responded to it HERE.
Maken also addressed your OP HERE.
This was before all the rest of the talk, so perhaps do your due diligence before coming to the conclusion?
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P14GU3
Savage Bullet
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Posted - 2015.01.04 21:58:00 -
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Actually, I was responding to Crimson's OP, in which he stated that attacking from behind was not a cowardice act, when 90% or more of human history dictates otherwise. It had nothing to do with the minjas role. Actual "ninjas" had the same role, but you would be hard pressed to find anywhere in our history that they were honorable. Effective, but hardly honorable..
I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2015.01.04 22:07:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Actually, I was responding to Crimson's OP, in which he stated that attacking from behind was not a cowardice act, when 90% or more of human history dictates otherwise. It had nothing to do with the minjas role. Actual "ninjas" had the same role, but you would be hard pressed to find anywhere in our history that they were honorable. Effective, but hardly honorable.. Fair enough.
Maybe that is why I like being a Minja.
Thunderbolt. verb and noun.
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Beast gameplay1 jr
The Exemplars RISE of LEGION
12
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Posted - 2015.01.04 22:26:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Don't run it with 300 armor like you always do nuff said. I don't anymore I run 87 armour 343 shield |
Yokal Bob
Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance
591
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Posted - 2015.01.04 22:27:00 -
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Beast gameplay1 jr wrote:It is underpowered in close range if u face mor than 1 enemy ur probably gonna die
no ****, your a scout suit, your not supposed to sit and fight multiple enemies
If its not anime, its not real
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Dreis Shadowweaver
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
1270
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Posted - 2015.01.04 22:50:00 -
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Beast gameplay1 jr wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Don't run it with 300 armor like you always do nuff said. I don't anymore I run 87 armour 343 shield dayum... what's in your lows?
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Yokal Bob
Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance
594
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Posted - 2015.01.04 22:51:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Beast gameplay1 jr wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Don't run it with 300 armor like you always do nuff said. I don't anymore I run 87 armour 343 shield dayum... what's in your lows?
if your a min scout? kin cats and green bottles
If its not anime, its not real
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Dreis Shadowweaver
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
1270
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Posted - 2015.01.04 22:55:00 -
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Yokal Bob wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Beast gameplay1 jr wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Don't run it with 300 armor like you always do nuff said. I don't anymore I run 87 armour 343 shield dayum... what's in your lows? if your a min scout? kin cats and green bottles I meant Beast's fit specifically.
And it's a waste to put greens on a Min Scout.
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2015.01.04 23:36:00 -
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If you're in a 1v(> 1) situation in a scout, you're doing something wrong. Assuming the scout isn't wearing HP buffs, he will get killed. Then again, I have seen other people knife a whole squad whilst detected, and I have done the same, but with a Shotgun. |
Vesperz
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
198
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Posted - 2015.01.05 00:01:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Yokal Bob wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Beast gameplay1 jr wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Don't run it with 300 armor like you always do nuff said. I don't anymore I run 87 armour 343 shield dayum... what's in your lows? if your a min scout? kin cats and green bottles I meant Beast's fit specifically. And it's a waste to put greens on a Min Scout. Hell no its not, two red bottles and a green, can run and jump for days! Run that fit primarily, hard to hit. ;)
"Live by honor, kill by stealth."
Gal Scout since 1.0, Min Scout since 1.1
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Zindorak
Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance
1555
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Posted - 2015.01.05 01:01:00 -
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Then give me a gk.0 scout buff
Pokemon master and Tekken Lord
Give me da iskiez
Gk0 Scout yay :)
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
10666
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Posted - 2015.01.05 01:19:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Actually, I was responding to Crimson's OP, in which he stated that attacking from behind was not a cowardice act, when 90% or more of human history dictates otherwise. It had nothing to do with the minjas role. Actual "ninjas" had the same role, but you would be hard pressed to find anywhere in our history that they were honorable. Effective, but hardly honorable..
Even if you're right, that won't stop one group from resorting to using ninja tactics against another. You can call me a coward every day but it's still not going to make me stop attacking from behind. I'll still do it.
What you're talking about is exactly the kind of thing that's spoken about high-sec suicide gankers in Eve Online where countless destroyers, cruisers, and battlecruisers willfully sacrifice themselves to kill a defenseless hauler that just so happens to be carrying billions of ISK worth of fat loot. Often times carrying far more than what the ship is worth before it's lost to a fiery barrage of death raining down on them out of nowhere. The victim never did anything wrong but the gankers don't care.
People often call these suicide gankers cowards for picking on innocent miners or haulers. But that never stopped them from continuing their onslaught for 11 years straight. Just 6 years ago, the act of suicide ganking became so popular that it became it's on official blood sport forever known as Hulkageddon. Countless miners and haulers cried foul saying this is unfair and that high-sec suicide ganking must be a bannable offense. But CCP and every other player throughout New Eden only gave those people a deaf ear for their cries to fall on.
Welcome to New Eden.
Here, honor is just a 5-letter word. Get use to it.
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axINVICTUSxa
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
189
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Posted - 2015.01.05 01:21:00 -
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Beast gameplay1 jr wrote:It is underpowered in close range if u face mor than 1 enemy ur probably gonna die
how about no
Wherever the Wind (Aero) might take me, may it ever be True, for the way of the Commando is noble and right.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.01.05 01:45:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:If you're in a 1v(> 1) situation in a scout, you're doing something wrong. Assuming the scout isn't wearing HP buffs, he will get killed. Then again, I have seen other people knife a whole squad whilst detected, and I have done the same, but with a Shotgun.
Remember kids, it's all in the sprint not the strafe.
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Pseudogenesis
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1251
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Posted - 2015.01.05 01:56:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Kuruld Sengar wrote:WARxion ForDUST wrote:Beast gameplay1 jr wrote:It is underpowered in close range if u face mor than 1 enemy ur probably gonna die Do not attack Face-to-Face than, do it from behind you as cloaky cowards do. And seriously... if you are outnumbered you really complain about getting killed? It would OP as **** if it could defeat two enemies without a hitch. A cloak? Who the hell puts that trash on a minja? <----- This guy Cloaks are a tool, not everyone knows how to use one to its greatest extent. Practice with them. They are worth the equip slot Kaisar, I have 0 idea how you play with your play style on a ninja.... I run a cloak too. It's too valuable not to. What's the alternative? Drop uplinks are only good to use once or twice and nanohives are a joke for minjas. I would much rather be almost entirely invisible while crossing open terrain than be able to resupply my grenades once or twice.
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Stryker Syx Vector
D3ATH CARD RUST415
50
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Posted - 2015.01.05 02:39:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Crimson ShieId wrote:WARxion ForDUST wrote:Beast gameplay1 jr wrote:It is underpowered in close range if u face mor than 1 enemy ur probably gonna die Do not attack Face-to-Face than, do it from behind you as cloaky cowards do. And seriously... if you are outnumbered you really complain about getting killed? It would OP as **** if it could defeat two enemies without a hitch. Don't need a cloak to knife ya, and preferring to take the opponent from behind isn't a sign of cowardice, the rear is just the preferred entrance to penetrate. If you'd like to crouch, I'm sure plenty of Minjas wouldn't mind going from the front~ Nah, im pretty sure blindsiding someone from behind has been a trait of a coward since the stone ages. Less than a couple hundred years ago our armies marched head on in straight lines, as this was the honorable thing to do. Only the United States and its Apache training changed this. Now its called "tactics" I guess..
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Feldt-Grace
Anaheim Electronics Manufacture Company
58
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Posted - 2015.01.05 03:05:00 -
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Speed buff and i'm happy~ <3
TRANS-AM!
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PR0T0TYPE ASSAULT
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.01.05 03:45:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Beast gameplay1 jr wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Don't run it with 300 armor like you always do nuff said. I don't anymore I run 87 armour 343 shield dayum... what's in your lows? 2x complex code breakers 1 complex kin at is wat I run in lows |
Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
9688
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Posted - 2015.01.05 04:00:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Joel II X wrote:If you're in a 1v(> 1) situation in a scout, you're doing something wrong. Assuming the scout isn't wearing HP buffs, he will get killed. Then again, I have seen other people knife a whole squad whilst detected, and I have done the same, but with a Shotgun. Remember kids, it's all in the sprint not the strafe.
You can't shoot me if you can't see me coming.
Flank yo
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Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe.
Nobody messes with my family
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
10666
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Posted - 2015.01.05 04:05:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Joel II X wrote:If you're in a 1v(> 1) situation in a scout, you're doing something wrong. Assuming the scout isn't wearing HP buffs, he will get killed. Then again, I have seen other people knife a whole squad whilst detected, and I have done the same, but with a Shotgun. Remember kids, it's all in the sprint not the strafe. You can't shoot me if you can't see me coming. Flank yo
I've actually killed mercs even after they spotted me. If they happen to have a certain weapon that requires precision, I can get under their gun effectively as long as I change up my sprint randomly. You'd be amazed how close you can get before they realize they're not dealing with a noob scout.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
3381
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Posted - 2015.01.05 04:09:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote: My tactical play is far better than my twitch.
That and TONS of practice
Then Ill say my twitch is better than my tactical cause we have literally polar opposite views on how to run stuff in game
"Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Texas Killionaire
Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention
446
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Posted - 2015.01.05 04:13:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Crimson ShieId wrote:WARxion ForDUST wrote:Beast gameplay1 jr wrote:It is underpowered in close range if u face mor than 1 enemy ur probably gonna die Do not attack Face-to-Face than, do it from behind you as cloaky cowards do. And seriously... if you are outnumbered you really complain about getting killed? It would OP as **** if it could defeat two enemies without a hitch. Don't need a cloak to knife ya, and preferring to take the opponent from behind isn't a sign of cowardice, the rear is just the preferred entrance to penetrate. If you'd like to crouch, I'm sure plenty of Minjas wouldn't mind going from the front~ Nah, im pretty sure blindsiding someone from behind has been a trait of a coward since the stone ages. Less than a couple hundred years ago our armies marched head on in straight lines, as this was the honorable thing to do. Only the United States and its Apache training changed this. Now its called "tactics" I guess..
What's that old saying?
If you find yourself in a fair fight, your a dumba$$?
Something like that lol
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Vitantur Nothus
Nos Nothi
1474
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Posted - 2015.01.05 04:26:00 -
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Beast gameplay1 jr wrote:Scout mk.0 buff!
Zindorak wrote:Scout gk.0 scout buff! No and no. Run without cloak and NKs only for a day. Learn the ropes.
The only Scout in need of a hug is the AM Scout. MN, CA and GA Scouts are in great shape ... just crappy enough for most folks to choose Assault instead. |
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