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Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2015.01.02 07:47:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:
Mass-Driver. Direct counter to strafe.
Changes nothing. The "strafing" is trash. Wiggling about like a worm, from side to side across a spam of 5cm, is utterly stupid, and should be completely ineffective at damage mitigation.
I should not feel like whipping out my level 5 Minmatar Commando with my Proficiency 2 Mass Driver every time some moron wiggles like a worm causing space and time to distort such that bullets magically bend around them.
The worm-wiggle "strafing" needs to go. Again, posthaste.
I am a minotaur.
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Meee One
Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki
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Posted - 2015.01.02 07:50:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Atiim wrote:Not really, Minmatar Assaults are just as much an Armor Tanker as they are Shield Tankers. Yet they are the fastest why? Cuz eve? Not sure how Speed has anything to do with preferred tank, but they're the fastest because they have the lowest base HP. If you notice there's a direct correlation between Base Speed & Base HP in this game.
Then why does a 400 eHP assault move/run faster than a 240 eHP logistics?
Tl;dr Hi,it's Meee again.
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Leovarian L Lavitz
NECROM0NGERS
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Posted - 2015.01.02 07:56:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:
Mass-Driver. Direct counter to strafe.
Changes nothing. The "strafing" is trash. Wiggling about like a worm, from side to side across a spam of 5cm, is utterly stupid, and should be completely ineffective at damage mitigation. I should not feel like whipping out my level 5 Minmatar Commando with my Proficiency 2 Mass Driver every time some moron wiggles like a worm causing space and time to distort such that bullets magically bend around them. The worm-wiggle "strafing" needs to go. Again, posthaste.
I just whip out a militia mass-driver and send them flying into the spawn que. But, yes, higher grade massdrivers do it waaay faster.
You shouldn't need to use the direct hard counter to something to have a 100% success ratio of killing it? True, true.
However, you are fully aware that it exists, there is a 100% hard counter to strafing in the game.
Let them wiggle and strafe, to the tune of +50. Wiggle, strafe, leap and try to flee +50, boom boom, +50, boom boom +50. Plus some breach smg rounds down rage, cuz, yeah.
Omni-Soldier
Few are my equal in these specialties, none compare in all of them
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Leovarian L Lavitz
NECROM0NGERS
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Posted - 2015.01.02 07:58:00 -
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Meee One wrote:Atiim wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Atiim wrote:Not really, Minmatar Assaults are just as much an Armor Tanker as they are Shield Tankers. Yet they are the fastest why? Cuz eve? Not sure how Speed has anything to do with preferred tank, but they're the fastest because they have the lowest base HP. If you notice there's a direct correlation between Base Speed & Base HP in this game. Then why does a 400 eHP assault move/run faster than a 240 eHP logistics? Tl;dr Hi,it's Meee again.
Logistics trade speed, hp, and a side-arm for equipment.
Omni-Soldier
Few are my equal in these specialties, none compare in all of them
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Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2015.01.02 08:15:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:...
You shouldn't need to use the direct hard counter to something to have a 100% success ratio of killing it? True, true.
However, you are fully aware that it exists, there is a 100% hard counter to strafing in the game.
Let them wiggle and strafe, to the tune of +50. Wiggle, strafe, leap and try to flee +50, boom boom, +50, boom boom +50. Plus some breach smg rounds down rage, cuz, yeah.
I have no idea what you are on about. I take issue with the fact that worm-wiggle exists and is one of the best ways to mitigate damage, thanks to a huge number of faulty mechanics. I do not care that there is a counter to something that should not exist in the first place.
People can do the worm wiggle right in from of my proficiency 4 MH-82 HMG, be in the damn circle and in my optimal range as I unload on them, and they take almost no damage, despite them being in my circle 100% of the time they "strafed."
And even when I unload my MD into them, they can go and do the worm wiggle and add jumping into the wiggle, and suddenly, my MD does fck-all because they seem to be jumping over my explosions. EXPLOSIONS! Mr. Torgue would be DISPLEASED, TOO!
Mechanics are messed up and too few people even seem to acknowledge that, let alone care.
I am a minotaur.
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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD
RUST415
601
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Posted - 2015.01.02 09:10:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Have you not seen Saxon and his Amarr Assault? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzxJL6UxeXoThere is 180 Shield 1050 armor with Damage mods, An Officer SCR on an Amarr Assault... Now which one would be better for a logi to rep? The Minmatar Assault is fast... and has fast stamina regeneration... That is it... WHen placed toe to toe with the other Assaults it is lacking in almost every way. It's a suit built for pubs.
I want what you're smoking! PC is loaded with min assaults with six kin CR's! Their hit boxes is the issue, or whatever it is that causes them not to take damage. It isn't that they can rep fast or run fast. It's that you can hit them when they start to strafe.
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD
RUST415
601
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Posted - 2015.01.02 09:20:00 -
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Meee One wrote:Atiim wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Atiim wrote:Not really, Minmatar Assaults are just as much an Armor Tanker as they are Shield Tankers. Yet they are the fastest why? Cuz eve? Not sure how Speed has anything to do with preferred tank, but they're the fastest because they have the lowest base HP. If you notice there's a direct correlation between Base Speed & Base HP in this game. Then why does a 400 eHP assault move/run faster than a 240 eHP logistics? Tl;dr Hi,it's Meee again.
^^^^ he's got a point?
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD
RUST415
601
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Posted - 2015.01.02 09:25:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:...
You shouldn't need to use the direct hard counter to something to have a 100% success ratio of killing it? True, true.
However, you are fully aware that it exists, there is a 100% hard counter to strafing in the game.
Let them wiggle and strafe, to the tune of +50. Wiggle, strafe, leap and try to flee +50, boom boom, +50, boom boom +50. Plus some breach smg rounds down rage, cuz, yeah.
I have no idea what you are on about. I take issue with the fact that worm-wiggle exists and is one of the best ways to mitigate damage, thanks to a huge number of faulty mechanics. I do not care that there is a counter to something that should not exist in the first place. People can do the worm wiggle right in from of my proficiency 4 MH-82 HMG, be in the damn circle and in my optimal range as I unload on them, and they take almost no damage, despite them being in my circle 100% of the time they "strafed." And even when I unload my MD into them, they can go and do the worm wiggle and add jumping into the wiggle, and suddenly, my MD does fck-all because they seem to be jumping over my explosions. EXPLOSIONS! Mr. Torgue would be DISPLEASED, TOO! Mechanics are messed up and too few people even seem to acknowledge that, let alone care.
+1
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Leovarian L Lavitz
NECROM0NGERS
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Posted - 2015.01.02 09:26:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:
And even when I unload my MD into them, they can go and do the worm wiggle and add jumping into the wiggle, and suddenly, my MD does fck-all because they seem to be jumping over my explosions. EXPLOSIONS! Mr. Torgue would be DISPLEASED, TOO!
Guess what, they aren't doing anything to you either when they are doing all that jumping.
EDIT: I haven't had anyone manage to jump over my explosions, and gawd they have tried. >:)
Omni-Soldier
Few are my equal in these specialties, none compare in all of them
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calvin b
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
2341
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Posted - 2015.01.02 09:29:00 -
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Please stop. This is why I am leaving this game for good in less than a week. It killed me it must be OP, someone made a video so lets all jump on the bandwagon. Guess what it takes time to really gain skill, anyone can skill into a suit or weapon, it takes skill to make it into something special. I use min assault at the moment do to my reworking of my cal assault. Just fixed the cal and I am going to hear next how it is OP as well.
Stop the nerf parade, its killing whats left of this game.
Can the other voices in other peoples minds hear my voices in my head????
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Piraten Hovnoret
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
671
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Posted - 2015.01.02 10:10:00 -
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calvin b wrote:Please stop. This is why I am leaving this game for good in less than a week. It killed me it must be OP, someone made a video so lets all jump on the bandwagon. Guess what it takes time to really gain skill, anyone can skill into a suit or weapon, it takes skill to make it into something special. I use min assault at the moment do to my reworking of my cal assault. Just fixed the cal and I am going to hear next how it is OP as well.
Stop the nerf parade, its killing whats left of this game.
So thrue
But strafing is a broken game meckanic that is bad for the game.
It's not the strafing/jumping it self that is the problem, it's the fact that many times the bad hit detection and the bad frame rate in combo with the strafing becomes a broken turd.
War never changes
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Kalante Schiffer
Ancient Exiles.
868
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Posted - 2015.01.02 12:20:00 -
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Piraten Hovnoret wrote:calvin b wrote:Please stop. This is why I am leaving this game for good in less than a week. It killed me it must be OP, someone made a video so lets all jump on the bandwagon. Guess what it takes time to really gain skill, anyone can skill into a suit or weapon, it takes skill to make it into something special. I use min assault at the moment do to my reworking of my cal assault. Just fixed the cal and I am going to hear next how it is OP as well.
Stop the nerf parade, its killing whats left of this game. So thrue But strafing is a broken game meckanic that is bad for the game. It's not the strafing/jumping it self that is the problem, it's the fact that many times the bad hit detection and the bad frame rate in combo with the strafing becomes a broken turd. I dont see any problems. Only when i turned of aim assist that's when i notice hit detection issues. It is not like back then when having aim assist off was a good thing. The only beneficial things ive noticed with aim assist off is a lot more smoother aiming just like back then but the hit detection is now messed up. Sometimes my first three bullets don't even do any damage at all.
AE.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
2844
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Posted - 2015.01.02 18:14:00 -
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Kalante Schiffer wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:calvin b wrote:Please stop. This is why I am leaving this game for good in less than a week. It killed me it must be OP, someone made a video so lets all jump on the bandwagon. Guess what it takes time to really gain skill, anyone can skill into a suit or weapon, it takes skill to make it into something special. I use min assault at the moment do to my reworking of my cal assault. Just fixed the cal and I am going to hear next how it is OP as well.
Stop the nerf parade, its killing whats left of this game. So thrue But strafing is a broken game meckanic that is bad for the game. It's not the strafing/jumping it self that is the problem, it's the fact that many times the bad hit detection and the bad frame rate in combo with the strafing becomes a broken turd. I dont see any problems. Only when i turned of aim assist that's when i notice hit detection issues. It is not like back then when having aim assist off was a good thing. The only beneficial things ive noticed with aim assist off is a lot more smoother aiming just like back then but the hit detection is now messed up. Sometimes my first three bullets don't even do any damage at all.
Aim assist was always a hit detection buff. Worse is they overdid the buff. It is why we had to rebalance the entire game again after 1.4 and spent an entire year doing it.
When your crosshairs turn "Red" with aim assist... Your hitting near 95% of every bullet that leaves your gun on target....
When you pair that with guns like the Assault Combat rifle and Heavy Machine gun... that 90-95% accuracy of every bullet landing in a spray on target is crazy.....
This is why TTK took such a nasty hit in the game... None of the guns or tank values where designed to have that amount of full hit or full miss kinda of gun mechanics..
Now players are either completely missing or hitting at ridiculous accuracy that doesn't miss after lock on.
It hurts so much of what DUST was when it was actually fun.
If Aim assist actually just helped players aim with slight corrections and help here and there? It wouldn't even be a problem... It would be like facing a more skilled player.
But when it actively makes bullet accuracy near perfect in a sweet spot even in full out spray?? It has become a game of shooting by the numbers.
P*S* CCP Isn't alone in using Aim assist as a Hit detection buff. Battlefield 3 Never had Aim assist when it launched.. AFter spending around a year trying to fix it's net code and Hit detection issues they finally just gave it Aim assist as a band aid to fix hit detection. |
Cody Sietz
Random Gunz
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.01.02 19:11:00 -
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Yeah, still can't get my head around why they buffed all Minmatar suits with more ehp.
But hey, Minmatar guys say I was bias just because I like suits to be balanced.
But whatevez.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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