Sky-Fire and a soon to be unnamed Bounty fulfilling corp are payed 50k per kill they get on you in a match :P 100k if your on the same team and they manage to kill you anyways

Ghost, why did you bump another Clone D thread?

At the very least, it is healthy to maintain an awareness that this issue exists.

Concomitantly, you will also be rewarded with vast sums of ISK.

- Deliberately let enemies kill your team mates. Your team member will be spending time out waiting to respawn while you are busy earning war points.
- Never call for help. Alway deny a revive.

Things like...

Lead to defeat. I'm not sure if you are aware, but being defeated is bad.

- Steal installation destruction from team mates. If you see a team member attacking an installation, wait until just the right moment to finish the job.
- If a counter hack is short on time, wait until your team members fail at the counter hack, and the second that the letter turns red, be the first to hack.
- Don't use other team members' equipment. They get points when you use their equipment. Carry your own and be your own logi.
- Let other team members get killed when they are hacking. Then kill the enemy and complete the hack yourself. Who cares if your team gets cloned, so long as you have the most war points. Conversely, don't expect a team member to protect you while you are hacking. They could intentionally let you get killed.
- If someone tries to rep you, run out of range and go rep yourself. Don't let them get the easy points.
- Never call for help. Alway deny a revive.
- Run a needle and pick everyone up, even in hazardous zones, without regard to their safety. You want the war points.
- Always steal a team member's vehicle. Sabotage their plans at every opportunity. Use the vehicle to your own advantage.

When actually fighting attempting to win you are never going to make a profit.

Also, thanks to MU losing several matches through AFK or ****** tactics is the best thing you can do for your self if you run solo. You will make a nice profit and then be handed a couple of E Z Mode wins by Scotty and his terrible matchmaking. These matches can be used to pad your stats as well as your wallet.

*Remember, the person on your team this match will be playing against you in the next match, so you don't want them to develop their character. Keep their warpoints down, and your war points up.

And yet my wallet grows daily. Run advanced or standard/advanced fittings, with a squad, fight to win. Super simple stuff.

Unless you are a character less than a month old, your MU is not going to be adjusted very much from a handful of losses.

Also, AFKing too often will get you reported and an involuntary vacation from Dust.

And yet my wallet grows daily. Run advanced or standard/advanced fittings, with a squad, fight to win. Super simple stuff.

Unless you are a character less than a month old, your MU is not going to be adjusted very much from a handful of losses.

Also, AFKing too often will get you reported and an involuntary vacation from Dust.

The exact problem with using W/L in MU is it WILL throw you from side to side after just a handful of matches. The better matchmaking works the more tightly people become grouped in the middle. This grouping, which has pretty much already taken place leads to fractions of a percent making a difference.

An involuntary vacation would come from breaching the EULA. Sitting in the redline and moving your controller every couple of minutes does not constitute a breach. Using a turbo controller to speed squat to avoid being kicked WOULD be a breach of the EULA. In theory rubber banding your controller would also be a breach but a more difficult one to prove.

A player randomly twitching around in the MCC instead of participating in the match is AFK'ing. If a GM wants to clear this up for us that would be much appreciated.

I'm going to disagree with you on this, but since we can't view our respective MU scores (or the MU scores of our blue and redberries) neither of us can prove our points.

I still maintain that MU scores don't fluctuate that often in seasoned characters. 1 - 2 months old, maybe, but not someone who has been playing since Uprising 1.0.

Going to need a red or blue tag citation here. A player randomly twitching around in the MCC instead of participating in the match is AFK'ing. If a GM wants to clear this up for us that would be much appreciated.

You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.

Really!? you do this? that's a damn shame

Oh and on the wallet thing of course there are outside factors which make that untrue but in general people are not able to make a profit in this environment without using crude tactics at some point. You likely have good gun game and awareness meaning you die little, I spam BPOs or pull out a proto suit that will not die. Not everyone has these advantages. I love the ****** payouts it just lets me laugh about my wallet even more.

I run fittings between 36k - 40k ISK per. If I earn a victory I make 250k - 300k ISK. After corp taxes that comes to 242.5k - 291k ISK. Assuming I die 5 times, I lose 180k - 200k ISK to restocking.

Net ISK gain: 62.5k - 91k per victory

I do own the APEX BPOs from the war profiteer pack. I very rarely use the Gallente sentinel, but I do run the Minmatar assault on occasion. I am also known to run my trusty Amarr starter fittings. I'm not counting these deaths since they do not have an ISK cost associated with them.

Now let's examine the loss scenario...

I earn 160k - 200k per loss.
Same fitting cost, same corp taxes, same number of deaths*, same amount lost to restocking.

Net ISK gain: (24.8k) - (8k) per loss

What have we learned?
Winning makes ISK.
Losing costs ISK.

Losing ISK can be partially prevented/reduced by running cheaper fittings, but this also decreases your chance at earning a victory.

*: It is likely the number of deaths during a loss will be higher in a real-world scenario.

I do own the APEX BPOs from the war profiteer pack.

What have we learned?
Winning makes ISK.
Losing costs ISK.

Aside: Have you tried the original 'Nomad' Assault (not vX.1)? It is loads of fun

Not so. It is different for everyone. I ensure that if my team is going to lose, then I will still profit from the match. And I profit a lot from all matches.

It is a nice dropsuit, but I am not a huge fan of the plain CR, the ACR is much more my style. The RE's are nice though.

There is a variable that throws a wrench in my formulas: the player that sees their team might lose so they switch to the cheapest fittings possible. When one player does this it is not a big deal. When an entire team decides, "Welp, we're losing now I guess." Then switches to militia fittings... it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. They lose because their fittings are vastly outclassed by the opposing team's fittings.

When an entire team decides, "Welp, we're losing now I guess." Then switches to militia fittings... it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. They lose because their fittings are vastly outclassed by the opposing team's fittings.

Ah, the D stands for dicktard.

God dammit, I was holding off until the big reveal a year from now! Oh well.

Nah, actually, I posted about this strategy because it is interesting, because I see evidence of it in battle all of the time, and because it starts a conversation about how extreme one outlook on the game could be.

I am actually a nice team promoter who rushes in to help if I can, I let other people start the hack first so they can get WP, I pull body guard duty and shadow a player and make certain that they are safe and covered from behind. Also, if I sense that an enemy player is a noob and has not clue what is going on, I'll send a warning shot across their nose letting them know to get to cover. I use mlt/std gear and don't proto stomp. I try to distribute equipment in useful locations if it is needed, etc.

So I hope I have been nice to you on the field at least once. Peace, bro.