DUST Search - The AR is underwhelming

DeadlyAztec11 wrote:

Sgt Kirk wrote:

DeadlyAztec11 wrote:

Sgt Kirk wrote:

Welcome to my life. Every other Assault Rifle variant has improved tenfold since the dark ages but the Vanilla AR is still very close to what it was back then.

It's better yeah, but other rifles perform way too close to its intended racial role and more it's not really worth it.

Maybe if we made the optimal range longer but with immediate maximum range to where there's no falloff then maybe it was be good and balanced.

I always thought the best balance to the previous breach would just to greatly decrease its falloff range.

I think it would be better to reduce its range and increase its damage drastically in close quarters. I'm talking shotgun range. The same range that the ARR and ACR currently rule with an Iron fist.

You do know shotgun optimal is like 5 meters right?

Yes, and the AR should dominate that range. Currently it is bad to have it in that close of a range. I would rather have any other Rifle than the standard AR in that range.

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DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6644	Posted - 2014.12.30 04:29:00 - [1] - Quote Right now it is in a weird place. It's suppose to be the best Rifle for CQC, but in all honesty ties with all the other rifles. The top Rifles for CQC are the CR, ACR, BAR and ARR. At least that is the way I see it. At best I think it is tied with the ASCR, but the ASCR is still stronger in CQC because of its EXTREMELY low dispersion and low recoil while hip firing. Right now I don't fear having to fight an AR in CQC. That's a problem. I don't fear it because I know that it has wide dispersion. I fear all the other Assault variants, but not the weapon they are copying. I can't help feeling that this is wrong. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 502	Posted - 2014.12.30 04:31:00 - [2] - Quote i was going to reply but changed my mind.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6644	Posted - 2014.12.30 04:32:00 - [3] - Quote hold that wrote: i was going to reply but changed my mind. Hold that thought. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9007	Posted - 2014.12.30 04:35:00 - [4] - Quote Welcome to my life. Every other Assault Rifle variant has improved tenfold since the dark ages but the Vanilla AR is still very close to what it was back then. It's better yeah, but other rifles perform way too close to its intended racial role and more it's not really worth it. Maybe if we made the optimal range longer but with immediate maximum range to where there's no falloff then maybe it was be good and balanced. I always thought the best balance to the previous breach would just to greatly decrease its falloff range. CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law 738	Posted - 2014.12.30 04:38:00 - [5] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Right now it is in a weird place. It's suppose to be the best Rifle for CQC, but in all honesty ties with all the other rifles. The top Rifles for CQC are the CR, ACR, BAR and ARR. At least that is the way I see it. At best I think it is tied with the ASCR, but the ASCR is still stronger in CQC because of its EXTREMELY low dispersion and low recoil while hip firing. Right now I don't fear having to fight an AR in CQC. That's a problem. I don't fear it because I know that it has wide dispersion. I fear all the other Assault variants, but not the weapon they are copying. I can't help feeling that this is wrong. I have no idea of where these thoughts come from, the AR is currently in a very good place and it wrecks shields far faster than how an ARR kills armor. 10100111001 Shield tanking is hard mode /period. 10100111001
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6645	Posted - 2014.12.30 04:40:00 - [6] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Welcome to my life. Every other Assault Rifle variant has improved tenfold since the dark ages but the Vanilla AR is still very close to what it was back then. It's better yeah, but other rifles perform way too close to its intended racial role and more it's not really worth it. Maybe if we made the optimal range longer but with immediate maximum range to where there's no falloff then maybe it was be good and balanced. I always thought the best balance to the previous breach would just to greatly decrease its falloff range. I think it would be better to reduce its range and increase its damage drastically in close quarters. I'm talking shotgun range. The same range that the ARR and ACR currently rule with an Iron fist. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9008	Posted - 2014.12.30 04:49:00 - [7] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Welcome to my life. Every other Assault Rifle variant has improved tenfold since the dark ages but the Vanilla AR is still very close to what it was back then. It's better yeah, but other rifles perform way too close to its intended racial role and more it's not really worth it. Maybe if we made the optimal range longer but with immediate maximum range to where there's no falloff then maybe it was be good and balanced. I always thought the best balance to the previous breach would just to greatly decrease its falloff range. I think it would be better to reduce its range and increase its damage drastically in close quarters. I'm talking shotgun range. The same range that the ARR and ACR currently rule with an Iron fist. You do know shotgun optimal is like 5 meters right? CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 2132	Posted - 2014.12.30 05:01:00 - [8] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Right now it is in a weird place. It's suppose to be the best Rifle for CQC, but in all honesty ties with all the other rifles. The top Rifles for CQC are the CR, ACR, BAR and ARR. At least that is the way I see it. At best I think it is tied with the ASCR, but the ASCR is still stronger in CQC because of its EXTREMELY low dispersion and low recoil while hip firing. Right now I don't fear having to fight an AR in CQC. That's a problem. I don't fear it because I know that it has wide dispersion. I fear all the other Assault variants, but not the weapon they are copying. I can't help feeling that this is wrong. While we are on the subject of copies doing better then the original, ScR wants to have a word with the TAR =.= Heavy weapon parity... When CCP Rattati. I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6647	Posted - 2014.12.30 05:06:00 - [9] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Welcome to my life. Every other Assault Rifle variant has improved tenfold since the dark ages but the Vanilla AR is still very close to what it was back then. It's better yeah, but other rifles perform way too close to its intended racial role and more it's not really worth it. Maybe if we made the optimal range longer but with immediate maximum range to where there's no falloff then maybe it was be good and balanced. I always thought the best balance to the previous breach would just to greatly decrease its falloff range. I think it would be better to reduce its range and increase its damage drastically in close quarters. I'm talking shotgun range. The same range that the ARR and ACR currently rule with an Iron fist. You do know shotgun optimal is like 5 meters right? Yes, and the AR should dominate that range. Currently it is bad to have it in that close of a range. I would rather have any other Rifle than the standard AR in that range. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 1861	Posted - 2014.12.30 06:39:00 - [10] - Quote AScR is in the weirdest place. It is the worst rifle of all of the rifles to use at range, by far. Even the AR is better... Anywhere past 30m just becomes silly because of the shaking. Its practically impossible to track someone in combat with that crap. When I'm using my AScR, I find myself switching to my SMG for mid range combat. The role of Caldari suits is to whine on the forums.

Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2799	Posted - 2014.12.30 07:23:00 - [11] - Quote I've fallen a bit back in love with the original AR on a Gallente assault. I find the tight hipfire to really extend the range of the weapon and combined with not slowing it down with ferroscale allows you to strafe at rather long distances fooling a lot of folks into getting into a firefight they lose. That's the fit I've been playing around with recently, and it's been pretty effective...
Zepod Titans of Phoenix 50	Posted - 2014.12.30 07:36:00 - [12] - Quote You know, just because you aren't good with a weapon doesn't mean it's underwhelming. You may not like what I just said, but you know it's true...
demonkiller 12 G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 403	Posted - 2014.12.30 08:02:00 - [13] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: AScR is in the weirdest place. It is the worst rifle of all of the rifles to use at range, by far. Even the AR is better... Anywhere past 30m just becomes silly because of the shaking. Its practically impossible to track someone in combat with that crap. When I'm using my AScR, I find myself switching to my SMG for mid range combat. Wow im the complete opposite i find the ascr extremely effect at range, i just fire it in bursts and it destroys everything, thought im only using the militia variant
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 601	Posted - 2014.12.30 08:15:00 - [14] - Quote Cavani1EE7 wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Right now it is in a weird place. It's suppose to be the best Rifle for CQC, but in all honesty ties with all the other rifles. The top Rifles for CQC are the CR, ACR, BAR and ARR. At least that is the way I see it. At best I think it is tied with the ASCR, but the ASCR is still stronger in CQC because of its EXTREMELY low dispersion and low recoil while hip firing. Right now I don't fear having to fight an AR in CQC. That's a problem. I don't fear it because I know that it has wide dispersion. I fear all the other Assault variants, but not the weapon they are copying. I can't help feeling that this is wrong. I have no idea of where these thoughts come from, the AR is currently in a very good place and it wrecks shields far faster than how an ARR kills armor. ScR's wreck armor faster than RR's, in my opinion, or atleast ties for armor wreckage. Which is pretty absurd since it's a shield weapon. I hope we don't buff these rifles back to short ttk insta-kill days. They all wreck everything currently, and I must agree that really small tweaks are better than super buff/nerfs right now. "Anybody order chaos?"
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 514	Posted - 2014.12.30 08:24:00 - [15] - Quote The AR id in a fine place but still out performed by the BrAR. If you are an Armor based suit (Gallente and Amarr) and your opponent is using an ACR, CR, ARR in another armor based suit, of course you will loose. Not much for the AR being outperformed if not because the AR is an anti-shield weapon and you are using it against an armored oponent while your opponent is using anti armor weapons. Unless you are using the BrAR. That thing is just too powerful. Changes to Damage mods!
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14149	Posted - 2014.12.30 08:26:00 - [16] - Quote The strength of the AR is just sustained damage. 70 clip size ain't no joke. Problem is that in CQC you need raw damage, otherwise you won't last long enough to unload the clip. Engagements are the shortest because weapons are dealing their max damage, so raw power is needed. Feline overlord of all humans Assault Conglomerate: Because we don't shave
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 601	Posted - 2014.12.30 08:26:00 - [17] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Welcome to my life. Every other Assault Rifle variant has improved tenfold since the dark ages but the Vanilla AR is still very close to what it was back then. It's better yeah, but other rifles perform way too close to its intended racial role and more it's not really worth it. Maybe if we made the optimal range longer but with immediate maximum range to where there's no falloff then maybe it was be good and balanced. I always thought the best balance to the previous breach would just to greatly decrease its falloff range. I think it would be better to reduce its range and increase its damage drastically in close quarters. I'm talking shotgun range. The same range that the ARR and ACR currently rule with an Iron fist. You do know shotgun optimal is like 5 meters right? Yes, and the AR should dominate that range. Currently it is bad to have it in that close of a range. I would rather have any other Rifle than the standard AR in that range. CQC isn't face to face shotgun range when referring to rifles. If you're in the building with it trying to out shoot heavies you're wrong. It's good for quick strike flanking in my opinion. If I need to I can go in the building if needed. That's what I love about the AR. Multi-purpose! Not trying to win any 1v1's with any ScR's. Take his shields, and get the assist. The standard AR can take on multiple targets in an area forcing all to take cover. It gets your guys closer to the target, but also has the ability to finish guys if they're careless. As it is a shield weapon I don't try to engage amarr or gal heavies head to head in close quarter's. Flanking snipers, added dps, taking shields and shielded enemies out, and suppressive fire is what it's really good for. For actual fight finishing power I would suggest some Tac and burst AR practice. Now those can drop you where you stand, but I find that it does take some getting used to. You need a good sidearm and a flanking position for sure. The burst is a great go between for hipfire, range, and CQC. "Anybody order chaos?"
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1676	Posted - 2014.12.30 08:52:00 - [18] - Quote AR is fine, just alot of people are still mainly armor tanking and it gets a noticeable penalty against armor. you have a sidearm though, switch to flaylock or SMG once shields are gone.
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2340	Posted - 2014.12.30 09:12:00 - [19] - Quote The ACR is the most abused rifle besides the RR. The AcR has low range and easily out-ranged by the AR and all other light weapons. The fact I was getting hit by a MD and I could not return fire do to range is BS. So no the AR is not underwhelming. Can the other voices in other peoples minds hear my voices in my head????
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1676	Posted - 2014.12.30 09:37:00 - [20] - Quote calvin b wrote: The AcR has low range and easily out-ranged by the AR and all other light weapons. ACR has more range than AR btw...

Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5277	Posted - 2014.12.30 09:47:00 - [21] - Quote You forgot to add the part where you constructively point out what it needs to have to be feared in CQC. If it was me, I would say bump up Vanilla AR RoF to Balac's levels and go from there, but whatever.
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 1863	Posted - 2014.12.30 10:47:00 - [22] - Quote Joel II X wrote: You forgot to add the part where you constructively point out what it needs to have to be feared in CQC. If it was me, I would say bump up Vanilla AR RoF to Balac's levels and go from there, but whatever. Haha. No. You do realize how silly that sounds, right? "Just make the AR as good as an Officer weapon." Yeah. Riiiiight. It just got a buff, a pretty big buff too, more than it deserved in my opinion. And yet you are already asking to have the DPS buffed by almost 7%? The role of Caldari suits is to whine on the forums.
V1RONXSS X-SENSE Security 32	Posted - 2014.12.30 11:27:00 - [23] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: 70 clip size ain't no joke. Actually a joke, with all those strafing dancings + dps, sometimes u need to reload multiple times to kill a target. The "Chiki Briki v Damki" Starter Pack.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6661	Posted - 2014.12.30 13:19:00 - [24] - Quote Joel II X wrote: You forgot to add the part where you constructively point out what it needs to have to be feared in CQC. If it was me, I would say bump up Vanilla AR RoF to Balac's levels and go from there, but whatever. It should have its range cut by 25% and have its damage increased by 25% within its first 10 meters. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14150	Posted - 2014.12.30 15:36:00 - [25] - Quote V1RONXSS wrote: Cat Merc wrote: 70 clip size ain't no joke. Actually a joke, with all those strafing dancings + dps, sometimes u need to reload multiple times to kill a target. ..I don't? Feline overlord of all humans Assault Conglomerate: Because we don't shave
Mex-0 257	Posted - 2014.12.30 15:51:00 - [26] - Quote ASCR still feels a bit UP. Meh, I give up on FW.
Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law 739	Posted - 2014.12.30 16:12:00 - [27] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: V1RONXSS wrote: Cat Merc wrote: 70 clip size ain't no joke. Actually a joke, with all those strafing dancings + dps, sometimes u need to reload multiple times to kill a target. ..I don't? I didn't have either back when it was still at 60 mag. I really don't see any problem with the current AR, hell I used it in PC for 5 months straight til 1.1 and I've never felt it sucked compared to ACR and ARR, and it didn't have all the buffs yet. On a sidenote you can confirm it's not underperforming by seeing a lot of minmatar assaults running it instead of the ACR and beasting with it. 10100111001 Shield tanking is hard mode /period. 10100111001
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6684	Posted - 2014.12.31 04:39:00 - [28] - Quote Mex-0 wrote: ASCR still feels a bit UP. Not when I use it. Thankfully Rattati agrees so it won't have to suffer the Buff nerf cycle like most weapons that are buffed unnecessarily. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1469	Posted - 2014.12.31 04:56:00 - [29] - Quote I can still get kills with it but it's just...... meh kinda boring TTK with other weapons is faster though Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Give me da iskiez Gk0 Scout yay :)
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6685	Posted - 2014.12.31 05:06:00 - [30] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: AScR is in the weirdest place. It is the worst rifle of all of the rifles to use at range, by far. Even the AR is better... Anywhere past 30m just becomes silly because of the shaking. Its practically impossible to track someone in combat with that crap. When I'm using my AScR, I find myself switching to my SMG for mid range combat. Fizzer, it's all visual none of that recoil is real. Or in actuality it is real but the sight comes back to its starting point do fast that it serves no purpose outside of confounding people like you who try to fight the recoil. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.



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