DUST Search - Why all the talk that Tanks are horrible?

Breakin Stuff wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Timtron Victory wrote:

I am in matches that the winners and losers and determined by which team brings in the most tanks. I dont see how any nerf has made tanks glass cannons. I still see tankers going 30/0 in a match

Tanks are in a bad place balance wise.

Armour tanks are pretty worthless in the current AV meta. There is literally no point to running them since Shield HAV do everything better from regeneration, to eHP, to mounting betters guns and modules, better mobility, and also having the higher hardener resists.

At the same time 2 of the 3 large turrets are anti armour turrets and are usually the best of anti tank combat. Missiles will destroy most armour HAV in a single volley and Shield tanks in two, while rails have higher DPS than Blasters (anti shield weapons) and will out gun a close quarters Madrugar almost every time.

Not to mention that Large Blasters are spray and pray weapons that honestly require a lot of luck or good judge of where you think the dispersed rounds might land (hell I can still nail an infantryman in the head from 90m when I used to be able to do it at 200m).

Shield HAV are comparatively over powered for standard tier tanks able to both Shield and Armour Tank at the same time and achieved eHPwhoringly high levels of durability without having to sacrifice anything.

Now when it comes to matches its very easy to cherry pick examples of when tanks do roll all over you. They are big, usually in these instances tough, and very frustrating so they stand out in your mind. Other examples when tanks get rolled by enemy AV and are denied a place on the field are easy to forget.

Moreover tanks don't really function correctly. They don't do, generally speaking, what real tanks did/currently are designed to do and do not function on a manner befitting that role and moreover since they suffered what effectually was a tiericide it's almost a bad idea in many cased to field anything more than an eHP ***** (9k eHP) Sica with proto turrets.

Since Eco Tanks can roll properly fit and high SP invested tanks they simply are more economical to field.

Additionally the JLAV, my most hated mechanic, makes fielding tanks pointless as you opposition has X attempts to defeat you with AV before they give up and cop out using a magic missile of instant deathyness.

All in all tanks don't really function properly. Yeah they function.....but not necessarily as tanks should or in a healthy manner.

Also remember kills are not a good judge of an effective tanker. ISK destroyed vs ISK lost is the hall mark of an effective tanker.

This man speaks wisdom, without whining.

You should pay attention.


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Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 285	Posted - 2014.12.30 19:52:00 - [1] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Indy Strizer wrote: Tanks are horrible because they're boring to fit in my opinion. In closed beta, LAV drivers and tankers could have long conversations about how they fit their vehicles like people still do about dropsuits... Now? Not so much... Double this. Vehicles used to be fun to fit, whether seriously or for giggle runs, 2mil tanks had you holding your breath, and goofy fittings had you laughing the whole match. Now its only the best fit, or stay on the ground. Vanilla extract. Me and a squadmate of mine occasionally take 2 somas out into the field with the following fit: Proto blaster cannon, x2 damage mods, x2 militia repair modules. It is absolutely hilarious fighting other tanks with these things.
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 285	Posted - 2014.12.30 20:03:00 - [2] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: True Adamance wrote: Timtron Victory wrote: I am in matches that the winners and losers and determined by which team brings in the most tanks. I dont see how any nerf has made tanks glass cannons. I still see tankers going 30/0 in a match Tanks are in a bad place balance wise. Armour tanks are pretty worthless in the current AV meta. There is literally no point to running them since Shield HAV do everything better from regeneration, to eHP, to mounting betters guns and modules, better mobility, and also having the higher hardener resists. At the same time 2 of the 3 large turrets are anti armour turrets and are usually the best of anti tank combat. Missiles will destroy most armour HAV in a single volley and Shield tanks in two, while rails have higher DPS than Blasters (anti shield weapons) and will out gun a close quarters Madrugar almost every time. Not to mention that Large Blasters are spray and pray weapons that honestly require a lot of luck or good judge of where you think the dispersed rounds might land (hell I can still nail an infantryman in the head from 90m when I used to be able to do it at 200m). Shield HAV are comparatively over powered for standard tier tanks able to both Shield and Armour Tank at the same time and achieved eHPwhoringly high levels of durability without having to sacrifice anything. Now when it comes to matches its very easy to cherry pick examples of when tanks do roll all over you. They are big, usually in these instances tough, and very frustrating so they stand out in your mind. Other examples when tanks get rolled by enemy AV and are denied a place on the field are easy to forget. Moreover tanks don't really function correctly. They don't do, generally speaking, what real tanks did/currently are designed to do and do not function on a manner befitting that role and moreover since they suffered what effectually was a tiericide it's almost a bad idea in many cased to field anything more than an eHP *** (9k eHP) Sica with proto turrets. Since Eco Tanks can roll properly fit and high SP invested tanks they simply are more economical to field. Additionally the JLAV, my most hated mechanic, makes fielding tanks pointless as you opposition has X attempts to defeat you with AV before they give up and cop out using a magic missile of instant deathyness. All in all tanks don't really function properly. Yeah they function.....but not necessarily as tanks should or in a healthy manner. Also remember kills are not a good judge of an effective tanker. ISK destroyed vs ISK lost is the hall mark of an effective tanker. This man speaks wisdom, without whining. You should pay attention. Hes right about eHP on tanks getting way too high, hes right about large blaster turret being horrible right now, hes right about shield tanks being much better than armor tanks right now. But. He says tanks dont function correctly (which I agree with) but without any sort of specifics on how he thinks tanks should function, I cant really say I agree with him fully. He says AV can push a tank off the field, but even a redlined tank can still one shot any infantry that comes near it, you can call in tanks in obscure spots or sneak around the AV in most maps. And any AV dedicated to keeping you suppressed significantly weakens the enemy team's ground game. He thinks JLAVs are effective, I find them to be pretty easy (if somewhat tedious) to counter. In addition I think JLAVs are just a symptom of a wider problem: that AV is not effective enough to destroy enemy vehicles. They seem to be specifically designed to drive vehicles away but never kill them, so Im not sure how people can get grumpy about JLAVs or suicide dropships just because those actually can kill a vehicle if they hit. It just highlights the fact that a vehicle is always, always more concerned about enemy vehicles than enemy AV. I think AV/Vehicle balance would be in a much better place if vehicles were cheaper and AV actually could kill enemy vehicles. This way vehicles wouldnt feel compelled to play the ultra conservative, unfun way they have to sometimes play now to preserve +ISK gain, and AV wouldnt be completely ** against competent vehicle drivers. And I bet you'd almost never see another JLAV or ramming dropship again.