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Buwaro Draemon
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.12.30 08:59:00 -
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Fixed this post with the one below
Changes to Damage mods!
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Buwaro Draemon
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
515
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Posted - 2014.12.30 09:08:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Patrick57 wrote:I think aim assist actually affects hit detection more than aiming:/ I'm looking at you Bolt Pistol. aim assist != bullet magnetism
There is this video
and this video
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Sequal's Back
Les Desanusseurs
43
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Posted - 2014.12.30 09:47:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:I think aim assist actually affects hit detection more than aiming:/
Absolutely.
This is why switching it off is such a pain. It doesn't help aiming so much, it helps this crappy hit detection to work a bit better.
They need to fix their hit detection once and for all, and then take out AA. This could make the game even better than pre 1.4 (releasing of AA IIRC ^^). |
Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
1677
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Posted - 2014.12.30 12:44:00 -
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Buwaro Draemon wrote:Jack McReady wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Patrick57 wrote:I think aim assist actually affects hit detection more than aiming:/ I'm looking at you Bolt Pistol. aim assist != bullet magnetism There is this videoand this video
first of all, bullet magnetism is not the same as aim assist, what is the problem with comprehending that?
second you can clearly see in the video that weapons dispersion made him hit, see that open crosshair in the middle? this is the ******* area you can hit with your weapons dispersion, the crosshair is displayed like that for a reason. beside that, there is also something called POINT OF VIEW and CONVERGENCE, both together make it appear he missed by a slight margin where he actually dont.
man, this internet "wisdom" of some people... |
2Berries
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
482
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Posted - 2014.12.30 16:04:00 -
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AA-off. You can't pick out a single target within in a group with it on. If you fire on more than 2 enemies that are close together, like a logi/heavy combo, you can stand still & watch you line of fire bounce back & forth between the targets.
Aim assist will screw you over. Turn it off & get good.
Edit: didn't read all post before posting, but if this doesn't define bullet magnetism then nothing does.
Have you considered a career in costumed aggression?
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Luna McDuffing
COALICION LATINA
Smart Deploy
136
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Posted - 2014.12.30 17:10:00 -
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I think there is nothing wrong with aim assist in this game as far ambiance goes. By that I mean that this game takes place in a place where technology is many times more advance than what we have. It would then make sense that soldiers have some sort of aim assist as well as other technological improvements to make them deadlier. If we where talking about a game that took place say during the civil war then I think the mechanics should had resembles the weapons and technology of that time. What I do see that this games lack is thermal or night vision. That should had been a counter to the cloaks or to see if there is anybody on the other side of that wall. |
Meisterjager Jagermeister
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
570
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Posted - 2014.12.30 17:53:00 -
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I turned off AA.
Went 12/7 with AR and BuAR. Did better with AR.
Over all I noticed little difference. But then again, I have never felt any benefits from AA before; my reticle doesn't ever turn red and lock on.
Will continue this experiment.
AKA - StarVenger
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2804
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Posted - 2014.12.30 18:49:00 -
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OP, Welcome to my life as a MKB user. We've got it hard. |
Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
5279
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Posted - 2014.12.30 20:13:00 -
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We don't need a speed nerf. We need a hot detection mega-buff. |
Buwaro Draemon
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
526
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Posted - 2014.12.31 00:58:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:We don't need a speed nerf. We need a hot detection mega-buff.
First hit-detection.
Changes to Damage mods!
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PLAYSTTION
F0RSAKEN EMPIRE.
Smart Deploy
391
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Posted - 2014.12.31 01:09:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:AA was the worst feature Dust ever got.
Yup. its why they had to rebalance the entire game and fix TTK.
Gassault Calogi - Ranked #763 on the forums
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Sergeant Sazu
Nanite Systems
277
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Posted - 2014.12.31 01:11:00 -
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When I first loaded up the game on day 1 of open beta, I went through the settings before entering my first battle. I turned Aim Assaist off and I have never used it. No idea what it's like.
I have trouble hitting Scouts in CQC sometimes, that's about it. Otherwise my gun game is alright.
[37.4m SP - Next skill: Drop Uplink Deployment 4]
Veteran Assault - Expert Logibro - Rising Minja - Scrub Sentinel
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Regnier Feros
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
195
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Posted - 2014.12.31 01:33:00 -
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Sergeant Sazu wrote:When I first loaded up the game on day 1 of open beta, I went through the settings before entering my first battle. I turned Aim Assaist off and I have never used it. No idea what it's like.
I have trouble hitting Scouts in CQC sometimes, that's about it. Otherwise my gun game is alright.
Your signature doesn't include the commando class :(
I like pie do you like pie because i hate pie & I like muffins.
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Sergeant Sazu
Nanite Systems
278
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Posted - 2014.12.31 01:39:00 -
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Regnier Feros wrote:Your signature doesn't include the commando class :(
Sorry Reg, haven't used the Commando since 1.8.
I would've put "Retired Commando", but there's this wonderful character limit. :(
[37.4m SP - Next skill: Drop Uplink Deployment 4]
Veteran Assault - Expert Logibro - Aspiring Minja - Scrub Sentinel
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Vicious Minotaur
1627
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Posted - 2014.12.31 01:43:00 -
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Pffff.
I play with my eyes closed.
Those things are legitimately overpowered, way more so than stupid wittle 'aim assist.' The entire game is balanced around them, and even more insidiously, virtually every single game ever made is deigned with such an overpowered apparatus in mind.
I am a minotaur.
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Kira Lannister
Ancient Exiles.
2451
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Posted - 2014.12.31 03:17:00 -
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Buwaro Draemon wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Buwaro Draemon wrote:And oh god it was the worse I have ever went in matches. Speed strafers became even more of a pain in the butt and my shots did not seem to be registering into targets at all. I turnee it back on and when 19/3 With AA off I went 3/7 or so on Which made me think how many people pkay with AA on and how AA helps you out more than it should. Now I would love it to be taken out of the game. But befote that strafing would need to get a speed nerf. It's just, now that I know how much AA helps you out, I feel cheap and dirty, but I also want to make more ISK 
I would support removing AA from the game...IF you remove K&M from the game too...Im not going to be aiming with my RR or SCR and missing while K&M users have just to point a mouse at my head....F*** that. From what I have heard KBM has wonky aiming but they benefit from having the fastest strafe.
Hehe...wonky...hehe.
"The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire."
Book of Exiles 1:3
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
2807
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Posted - 2014.12.31 13:01:00 -
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Luna McDuffing wrote:I think there is nothing wrong with aim assist in this game as far ambiance goes. By that I mean that this game takes place in a place where technology is many times more advance than what we have. It would then make sense that soldiers have some sort of aim assist as well as other technological improvements to make them deadlier. If we where talking about a game that took place say during the civil war then I think the mechanics should had resembles the weapons and technology of that time. What I do see that this games lack is thermal or night vision. That should had been a counter to the cloaks or to see if there is anybody on the other side of that wall.
At no point what so ever does it make sense that Your dropsuit is going to automate your movements of your body to the point where it helps you aim for you.
It could make sense to have a weapon like Titanfall's pistol... Where bullets will arc and "Home" onto locked on targets.. But that is even balanced there...
Please name a futuristic Movie even... where Technology is automating one's body to aim for them... At best you will get guns that have homing bullets or futuristic SIghts....
If we can't even choose what sights we have on our guns at this "Futuristic" stage. This kinda justification for this feature makes no sense.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
5918
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Posted - 2014.12.31 13:08:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:At no point what so ever does it make sense that Your dropsuit is going to automate your movements of your body to the point where it helps you aim for you. This is a fantasy sci-fi world... nothing has to make sense. "Science" in this world is basically a synonym for "magic".
Bethhy wrote:If we can't even choose what sights we have on our guns at this "Futuristic" stage this kinda justification for this feature makes no sense. We're playing a version of alternate history. Technology developed down different paths. The technology for sights may have been underdeveloped in favor of other weapon systems.
Using the "doesn't make sense" argument is idiotic in a world where we have micro-wormholes and inertia dampeners.
My advice to you, playa...
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Duke Noobiam
The Dukes of Death
323
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Posted - 2014.12.31 16:28:00 -
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Buwaro Draemon wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Buwaro Draemon wrote:And oh god it was the worse I have ever went in matches. Speed strafers became even more of a pain in the butt and my shots did not seem to be registering into targets at all. I turnee it back on and when 19/3 With AA off I went 3/7 or so on Which made me think how many people pkay with AA on and how AA helps you out more than it should. Now I would love it to be taken out of the game. But befote that strafing would need to get a speed nerf. It's just, now that I know how much AA helps you out, I feel cheap and dirty, but I also want to make more ISK
I would support removing AA from the game...IF you remove K&M from the game too...Im not going to be aiming with my RR or SCR and missing while K&M users have just to point a mouse at my head....F*** that. From what I have heard KBM has wonky aiming but they benefit from having the fastest strafe.
At some point, KB/M had raw input and there was no Aim Assist (and then there was Aim Assist that was terrible) and KBM users were raping controller players. People were switching from controller to KBM and seeing their KDR triple instantly.
The perceived problem with Aim Assist right now is due to the fact that it is not implemented the same way it is in other shooters. In DUST it is actually much weaker than other shooters.
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Union118
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
127
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Posted - 2014.12.31 16:31:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Buwaro Draemon wrote:And oh god it was the worse I have ever went in matches. Speed strafers became even more of a pain in the butt and my shots did not seem to be registering into targets at all. I turnee it back on and when 19/3 With AA off I went 3/7 or so on Which made me think how many people pkay with AA on and how AA helps you out more than it should. Now I would love it to be taken out of the game. But befote that strafing would need to get a speed nerf. It's just, now that I know how much AA helps you out, I feel cheap and dirty, but I also want to make more ISK
I would support removing AA from the game...IF you remove K&M from the game too...Im not going to be aiming with my RR or SCR and missing while K&M users have just to point a mouse at my head....F*** that.
Agreed leave Pc to Pc n PS3 to ps3. Its that simple.
Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
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Scheneighnay McBob
Cult of Gasai
5961
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Posted - 2014.12.31 17:08:00 -
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I never used AA and never will.
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ZDub 303
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Negative-Feedback
3342
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Posted - 2014.12.31 17:13:00 -
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Union118 wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:I would support removing AA from the game...IF you remove K&M from the game too...
Im not going to be aiming with my RR or SCR and missing while K&M users have just to point a mouse at my head....F*** that. Agreed leave Pc to Pc n PS3 to ps3. Its that simple.
It wouldn't change anything. Anyone who is even halfway serious about using a Keyboard and Mouse in Dust is not using the the stock KB/M controls, they are using a controller emulator to take advantage of the far superior controls.
If anything removing KB/M from the game would make the situation worse for you, as you would create awareness for these emulators for the small percentage of people who do mistakenly use the stock KB/M controls and likely many of them would switch over to an emulator and have a better experience. |
Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
2439
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Posted - 2014.12.31 18:38:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Luna McDuffing wrote:I think there is nothing wrong with aim assist in this game as far ambiance goes. By that I mean that this game takes place in a place where technology is many times more advance than what we have. It would then make sense that soldiers have some sort of aim assist as well as other technological improvements to make them deadlier. If we where talking about a game that took place say during the civil war then I think the mechanics should had resembles the weapons and technology of that time. What I do see that this games lack is thermal or night vision. That should had been a counter to the cloaks or to see if there is anybody on the other side of that wall. At no point what so ever does it make sense that Your dropsuit is going to automate your movements of your body to the point where it helps you aim for you. It could make sense to have a weapon like Titanfall's pistol... Where bullets will arc and "Home" onto locked on targets.. But that is even balanced there... Please name a futuristic Movie even... where Technology is automating one's body to aim for them... At best you will get guns that have homing bullets or futuristic SIghts.... If we can't even choose what sights we have on our guns at this "Futuristic" stage. This kinda justification for this feature makes no sense.
There is this disturbing RL example. When dropsuits do come along it won't be much of a leap to extend the controls to the suit.
PSN: RationalSpark
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
718
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Posted - 2014.12.31 19:37:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Luna McDuffing wrote:I think there is nothing wrong with aim assist in this game as far ambiance goes. By that I mean that this game takes place in a place where technology is many times more advance than what we have. It would then make sense that soldiers have some sort of aim assist as well as other technological improvements to make them deadlier. If we where talking about a game that took place say during the civil war then I think the mechanics should had resembles the weapons and technology of that time. What I do see that this games lack is thermal or night vision. That should had been a counter to the cloaks or to see if there is anybody on the other side of that wall. At no point what so ever does it make sense that Your dropsuit is going to automate your movements of your body to the point where it helps you aim for you. It could make sense to have a weapon like Titanfall's pistol... Where bullets will arc and "Home" onto locked on targets.. But that is even balanced there... Please name a futuristic Movie even... where Technology is automating one's body to aim for them... At best you will get guns that have homing bullets or futuristic SIghts.... If we can't even choose what sights we have on our guns at this "Futuristic" stage. This kinda justification for this feature makes no sense.
If you ever read the novel halo then you'd know that cortina can do this for master chief.
Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
718
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Posted - 2014.12.31 19:46:00 -
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My aim sucks with or without aim assist
Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
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PLAYSTTION
F0RSAKEN EMPIRE.
Smart Deploy
394
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Posted - 2014.12.31 20:29:00 -
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Sergeant Sazu wrote:When I first loaded up the game on day 1 of open beta, I went through the settings before entering my first battle. I turned Aim Assaist off and I have never used it. No idea what it's like.
I have trouble hitting Scouts in CQC sometimes, that's about it. Otherwise my gun game is alright.
Aim assist didn't exist i Open beta. It might have but i thought it was added last fall.
Gassault Calogi - Ranked #763 on the forums
- Open Beta Vet - 33mil sp -
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
1996
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Posted - 2014.12.31 20:50:00 -
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PLAYSTTION wrote:Sergeant Sazu wrote:When I first loaded up the game on day 1 of open beta, I went through the settings before entering my first battle. I turned Aim Assaist off and I have never used it. No idea what it's like.
I have trouble hitting Scouts in CQC sometimes, that's about it. Otherwise my gun game is alright. Aim assist didn't exist i Open beta. It might have but i thought it was added last fall.
The option was there but it didn't do anything until Uprising 1.0 was released.
[RYJC]
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
2348
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Posted - 2014.12.31 22:33:00 -
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Miokai Zahou wrote:Buwaro Draemon wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:AA was the worst feature Dust ever got. Agree Speed strafing is the worst feature Dust ever got.
I liked you and Deadly, they should both go away.
Amarr/Minmatar vehicles are OP (especially Minmatar speed tanks)
^The reason why CCP is afraid to release them
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SILENTSAM 69
SONS of LEGION
RISE of LEGION
743
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Posted - 2014.12.31 23:03:00 -
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Considering that the AA in DUST is much weaker than the AA in most FPS games I do not understand the complaints.
I think the OP needs to do a lot more testing before coming to his conclusions. I doubt that if he played for a week each way the difference would be that great. It is far more likely that this is just the normal spread you have in games depending on the circumstances of the match. |
SILENTSAM 69
SONS of LEGION
RISE of LEGION
743
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Posted - 2014.12.31 23:05:00 -
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Also, there is no strafing issue. People are able to move like this in real life so why would you want it removed from the game?
Last time they removed strafing it was horrible. It made you feel as if you could no longer turn at the hip like a real person. |
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