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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.12.29 23:50:00 -
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NO.
This is as silly as someone complaining that mass drivers do too much damage to armor, and requesting that the damage profile get changed to -15/+15 instead of -20/+20.
Weapons are categorized by profile types. Projectile (-15/+15), explosive (-20/+20), hybrid-rail (-10/+10), hybrid-blaster/plasma (+10/-10), and laser (+20/-20). The scrambler rifle has a laser profile, along with the laser rifle, and scrambler pistol. If we start having weapons of the same profile types having different damage profiles, then those categories just start to be meaningless.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.12.30 04:34:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:NO.
This is as silly as someone complaining that mass drivers do too much damage to armor, and requesting that the damage profile get changed to -15/+15 instead of -20/+20.
Weapons are categorized by profile types. Projectile (-15/+15), explosive (-20/+20), hybrid-rail (-10/+10), hybrid-blaster/plasma (+10/-10), and laser (+20/-20). The scrambler rifle has a laser profile, along with the laser rifle, and scrambler pistol. If we start having weapons of the same profile types having different damage profiles, then those categories just start to be meaningless. 1. Balance takes preference over profiles. 2. Short range crystals deal thermal damage in addition to em damage. Thus the ScR with short range crystals would deal some thermal damage, some em dage. Since pure em is +20/-20 and pure thermal is +10/-10, then in between is +15/-15. The laser rifle is fitted with a long range crystal which deals pure em, thus +20/-20
Nothing suggests a damage reduction is needed, or that the damage profile needs changing.
A prototype SCR with prof 4, and 3 complex damage mod does 113 damage to shields. Not even close to to 450
A prototype tac AR with prof 4, and 3 complex damage mod does 106 damage to shields. Not much of a difference.
I have no idea how you got 450. Use protofits if you can't calculate the stacking penalties of damage mods and effects of proficiency.
Seriously, how did you get 450 per shot???
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.12.30 06:25:00 -
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manboar thunder fist wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:NO.
This is as silly as someone complaining that mass drivers do too much damage to armor, and requesting that the damage profile get changed to -15/+15 instead of -20/+20.
Weapons are categorized by profile types. Projectile (-15/+15), explosive (-20/+20), hybrid-rail (-10/+10), hybrid-blaster/plasma (+10/-10), and laser (+20/-20). The scrambler rifle has a laser profile, along with the laser rifle, and scrambler pistol. If we start having weapons of the same profile types having different damage profiles, then those categories just start to be meaningless. 1. Balance takes preference over profiles. 2. Short range crystals deal thermal damage in addition to em damage. Thus the ScR with short range crystals would deal some thermal damage, some em dage. Since pure em is +20/-20 and pure thermal is +10/-10, then in between is +15/-15. The laser rifle is fitted with a long range crystal which deals pure em, thus +20/-20 Nothing suggests a damage reduction is needed, or that the damage profile needs changing. A prototype SCR with prof 4, and 3 complex damage mod does 113 damage to shields. Not even close to to 450 A prototype tac AR with prof 4, and 3 complex damage mod does 106 damage to shields. Not much of a difference. I have no idea how you got 450. Use protofits if you can't calculate the stacking penalties of damage mods and effects of proficiency. Seriously, how did you get 450 per shot??? lol kage... 4 realz? you high? charge shot
1) He did not mention charge shot in the OP.
2) Charge shot does 3.5x more damage, so it's 395.5, which is still not close to 450. If you factor the 2 seconds it takes to charge, charge shot actually just has a pitiful DPS of less than 198.
3) lol manboar thunder fist... 4 realz? you high?
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.12.30 06:53:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:manboar thunder fist wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:
Nothing suggests a damage reduction is needed, or that the damage profile needs changing.
A prototype SCR with prof 4, and 3 complex damage mod does 113 damage to shields. Not even close to to 450
A prototype tac AR with prof 4, and 3 complex damage mod does 106 damage to shields. Not much of a difference.
I have no idea how you got 450. Use protofits if you can't calculate the stacking penalties of damage mods and effects of proficiency.
Seriously, how did you get 450 per shot???
lol kage... 4 realz? you high? charge shot 1) He did not mention charge shot in the OP. 2) Charge shot does 3.5x more damage, so it's 395.5, which is still not close to 450. If you factor the 2 seconds it takes to charge, charge shot actually just has a pitiful DPS of less than 198. 3) lol manboar thunder fist... 4 realz? you high? Headshot.
Sooooo your argument relies on a proficiency lv4, triple damage modded, charge headshot from a prototype version? Under any similar circumstances, any weapon would look OP.
You're still ignoring that it takes 2 full seconds to charge the SCR. A headshot also takes quite a bit of skill or at least luck.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.12.30 07:15:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:...nerf the Scr or introduce a gun that does the same sort of damage to armor. Direct hits with the mass driver will melt armor (+20). I think a flaylock rifle would be cool to add someday, but it's not critical anytime soon.
Not just direct hits, splash damage does +20% to armor as well.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.12.30 23:17:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:NO.
This is as silly as someone complaining that mass drivers do too much damage to armor, and requesting that the damage profile get changed to -15/+15 instead of -20/+20.
Weapons are categorized by profile types. Projectile (-15/+15), explosive (-20/+20), hybrid-rail (-10/+10), hybrid-blaster/plasma (+10/-10), and laser (+20/-20). The scrambler rifle has a laser profile, along with the laser rifle, and scrambler pistol. If we start having weapons of the same profile types having different damage profiles, then those categories just start to be meaningless.
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A prototype SCR with prof 4, and 3 complex damage mod does 113 damage to shields. Not even close to to 450
A prototype tac AR with prof 4, and 3 complex damage mod does 106 damage to shields. Not much of a difference.
Charge shot does 3.5x more damage, so it's 395.5, which is still not close to 450. If you factor the 2 seconds it takes to charge, charge shot actually just has a pitiful DPS of less than 198. Mass driver WAS nerfed a while back because it had the same profile against armor that scramblers have now. And mass driver actually had damage you had to wait on instead of being able to crap out 1000+ damage in under a half second. Very few people use pure shield tanking right now and its pointless to do it. If someone with a scrambler rifle comes after you, you are pretty much guaranteed to lose.
The profile was not the problem, and the profile wasn't what was changed. The profile of the mass driver is still the same.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.12.30 23:25:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:manboar thunder fist wrote:
lol kage... 4 realz? you high?
charge shot
1) He did not mention charge shot in the OP. 2) Charge shot does 3.5x more damage, so it's 395.5, which is still not close to 450. If you factor the 2 seconds it takes to charge, charge shot actually just has a pitiful DPS of less than 198. 3) lol manboar thunder fist... 4 realz? you high? Headshot. Sooooo your argument relies on a proficiency lv4, triple damage modded, charge headshot from a prototype version? Under any similar circumstances, any weapon would look OP. You're still ignoring that it takes 2 full seconds to charge the SCR. A headshot also takes quite a bit of skill or at least luck. It's not very difficult. And the argument of the charge shot assumes you have to charge it mid fight. Of course I can fling lasers everywhere if caught off guard, but it is little effort to charge it while roaming looking for a fight.
If landing a headshot didn't take some difficulty, everyone would simply choose to do them all the time instead of more reliable bodyshots, and succeed easily.
You're also ignoring the massive heat cost per shot of a charge shot. Even with Amarr assault level 5, it limits you to being able to fire just a few handful of shots before overheating and being practically paralyzed. A charge shot's heat and time costs is like putting all your eggs in one basket, if you miss, then you have wasted not only time, but also the ability to fire as many shots as you would have had you not used the charge. It's a balanced risk vs reward. Perhaps you should strafe more to evade charge shots, or use a precision mod to detect a SCR user sneaking up on you before they hit you with a charge shot.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.12.30 23:30:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:manboar thunder fist wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:
Nothing suggests a damage reduction is needed, or that the damage profile needs changing.
A prototype SCR with prof 4, and 3 complex damage mod does 113 damage to shields. Not even close to to 450
A prototype tac AR with prof 4, and 3 complex damage mod does 106 damage to shields. Not much of a difference.
I have no idea how you got 450. Use protofits if you can't calculate the stacking penalties of damage mods and effects of proficiency.
Seriously, how did you get 450 per shot???
lol kage... 4 realz? you high? charge shot 1) He did not mention charge shot in the OP. 2) Charge shot does 3.5x more damage, so it's 395.5, which is still not close to 450. If you factor the 2 seconds it takes to charge, charge shot actually just has a pitiful DPS of less than 198. 3) lol manboar thunder fist... 4 realz? you high? 395 is 88% of 450. How is that not close? I spitballed the 450 (notice the "about") and I was a little over.
Regardless of percent, giving a number approximation that's off by 55 points is misleading and downright manipulative. You had the resources to provide a closer approximation, and you chose with going with a number that would make your argument look stronger.
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