Wow, this thread.

Bandwidth doesn't stop you from changing your roles, it just stops you from WP whoring via playing multiple roles at one time. You are welcome to change to assault at any time during the match, but you have to be assault if you are going to be assault, not assault plus all of the equipment you laid down as logistics, ya dig?

. When you are in an assault dropsuit you don't get the commando's two light weapons, higher eHP, etc.

Run with a squad. Designate who will carry uplinks. Pray the blueberries don't drop many uplinks so you and your squad get mad WP's. Enjoy.

Also, why don't people realize you can fit uplinks to a suit other than a logi? I fit uplinks to my assault fittings frequently and it works great. If I see the blueberries are dropping uplinks then I switch to a needle fitting.

Because they are in a proto dropsuit. It's one of minor advantages of a proto dropsuit: more bandwidth. The logis remain kings of bandwidth when you compare them against the appropriate tiers; standand logi vs. standard assault, proto logi vs. proto assault.

http://dust514.com/game/faq/

"Combat in DUST 514 is tactical and squad-based"

Solo play is only allowed because forcing people into squads makes people yell and scream. Being a solo player is willingly accepting a handicap and bringing your team down, potentially causing a defeat.

Please squad up so if we happen to be on the same team you will be useful. Please squad up so if you are on my opposing team you will present a challenge.

P.S. - All of the generalizations you described on squad comms won't happen if you find squadmates you enjoy playing with. Sounds like you have had some poor experiences before. That sucks. Find higher quality people to squad with.

Logis can run multiple pieces of equipment, and higher tier equipment due to their PG/CPU reduction bonus. If I'm an assault I can only have one deployable in play and then one non-deployable in play (assuming I am willing to spend the time switching fittings).

If I'm a logi I can field multiple deployables and non-deployables at once. The equipment I bring to the table also receives a bonus that assaults can't take advantage of (e.g. more rep range on the Minmatar logi).

So yeah, the argument isn't bullshit. It's 100% valid.

A scout will never be as good at supporting their team with equipment as a logi. This isn't a debate. The speed might help in certain situations, but it does not trump the increased effectiveness logis receive with their tools of the trade.

Logis need more eHP to increase their survivability a tad. That is mostly unrelated to the topic but needs to be said.

You completely ignored what the statement was saying.

The statement addresses playing multiple roles at the same time. Not the effectiveness different suits have at performing those roles.

First, cite your sources on this statement. Second, if it is true, they are blueberries who will most likely quit in their first 30 days of playing. People who stick around for the long haul find companionship in the form of corpmates and channels to squad with.

Please provide a screen capture of a scout dropsuit that gives a passive bonus to equipment other than a cloaking device. Scouts can fit ONE piece of equipment in addition to a cloak and they do not receive the dropsuit command bonuses for whatever they fit. Scouts also lack the CPU/PG reduction bonus, meaning they cannot field higher tiered equipment as easily.

Still no data or source to back up what you are saying then? Just purely anecdotal "evidence". Understood.

Because the scout's bonus with a cloak doesn't support his team in the same way a logi's bonus with uplinks, nanohives, repair tools, or active scanners does. It mostly helps the scout himself survive when crossing wide breaks in cover or flank unsuspecting hostiles. While the cloak is active the scout's scan radius actually drops, removing any shared passive squad scans.

Sure, logis get bonuses with equipment and scouts technically do to, but it's not comparing apples to apples and you know it, homie

Yes, but the scout's bandwidth is purposefully gimped so they can't fit two deployable equipment. He also doesn't recieve a single bonus with the deployable equipment he carries.

I'll also say again, if a scout wants to drop higher tier equipment he is going to eat through his CPU/PG. This won't leave nearly as much resource left to tank or fit decent weapons. In short, he's sacrificing much for the ability to carry two pieces of equipment that he doesn't even get passive bonuses for.

I have no data to make a statement one way or another. I don't interview every blueberry post-patch to see if they were in a squad or not. I simply don't know and neither do you.

I know its not apples to apples, but you said it yourself "logis get bonuses with equipment and scouts technically do to" you cannot say that scouts do not get a bonus to equipment.
Yet someone who is a scout can drop uplinks and equip a rep tool (perform two roles at the same time) and that is apparently ok when a scout does it.

A logi cannot run high tier equipment and expect to tank effectively either. Or equip decent weapons.

I'm not against players having options, but I am against options that negate a role entirely. No role should have it's bonuses used, then be able to be tossed aside. Imagine if you could fit a sentinel dropsuit, receive the resistance and splash damage reduction bonuses, plus fit heavy weapons to your dropsuits, then switch to a scout.

The sentinel wouldn't be very useful, would it?

Players would use it as a means to receive perks then switch to other dropsuits. That is what was happening to logi dropsuits. It was bullshit, and you know it.

Yes, a business wants to see a source of profit "burn to the burn"... /s

Also, "Ripple"? I love it. It's my new nickname. Check the sig.