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Clone D Grundstein Automation 1163	Posted - 2014.12.27 22:42:00 - [1] - Quote I have done everything to try and squeeze more performance out of my PS3. My last step was to upgrade to a crucial 256 GB SSD, which I completed this morning. Results (regarding Dust 514): Graphics load quickly and look sharp. I can use high detail with absolutely no pixelation. Framerate is still as slow as ever, with regular object warping and such. Dust gameplay is still the same old laggy piece of poo. Mythbuster: I heard reports that using a SSD allowed maps to load faster and therefore place you into battle quickly at the beginning of the match. I did not experience this. I am still placed into battle at various times at the beginning of the match. Rating: 1/10. Did not make a significant difference in gameplay. Still feels like I'm wading through molasses and wrestling with a tar baby. ISK Trader channel: blitz
Assert Dominance III 0bamacare 28	Posted - 2014.12.27 22:44:00 - [2] - Quote ssd spawns u in faster. everyone i ever played with that had a ssd spawned first always. banned DMG is trash
Clone D Grundstein Automation 1163	Posted - 2014.12.27 22:45:00 - [3] - Quote Assert Dominance III wrote: ssd spawns u in faster. everyone i ever played with that had a ssd spawned first always. Not me (as stated in the op). ISK Trader channel: blitz
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 129	Posted - 2014.12.27 22:54:00 - [4] - Quote Clone D wrote: Assert Dominance III wrote: ssd spawns u in faster. everyone i ever played with that had a ssd spawned first always. Not me (as stated in the op). What is your ps3 type? Choo Choo
Clone D Grundstein Automation 1163	Posted - 2014.12.27 22:56:00 - [5] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: Clone D wrote: Assert Dominance III wrote: ssd spawns u in faster. everyone i ever played with that had a ssd spawned first always. Not me (as stated in the op). What is your ps3 type? Super Slim with sliding disc cover. ISK Trader channel: blitz
Jack Boost Zarena Family 575	Posted - 2014.12.27 23:08:00 - [6] - Quote If PS3 use hdd/sdd for computing.. maybe :) Better hdd/sdd is for micro-freze when your client loading textures. Nothing more. Not much time left...
Byozuma Kegawa Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 385	Posted - 2014.12.27 23:09:00 - [7] - Quote An SSD is largely just a QoL upgrade. Textures load faster and from farther away, that's really the only really obvious change. Maps spawn about as fast as they usually do because you don't load the maps when battle starts. CCP did a neat on this, you are actually loading the map... on the barge. This is immediately obvious with those maps taking place in the new biomes, wherein you are exposed to the environmental effects... while on the barge. This is also why in public matches the barge timer starts as normal, then suddenly loses several seconds for no explicable reason. It's neat, a loading screen you're able to run around in. "If that's the case, they why does the barge in Faction/Conquest last several minutes?" Probably to give participants time to organize into teams, work out strategies, give Eve pilots time to get on scene to provide orbital support and so on. CCP treats Faction/Conquest a good bit more seriously than public matches, little surprise you get more time on the barge.
Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 402	Posted - 2014.12.27 23:17:00 - [8] - Quote SSD users in fac war load in warbarge first ,Note there could be alot of ssd users out there.I am one of them.I deploy early compared to my standard hard drive corp members.Some of them in standard matches don't even get a glimce of the warbarge in pubs.But ssd users do.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 5746	Posted - 2014.12.27 23:30:00 - [9] - Quote ITT we realize why continuing to develop Dust 514 on the outdated PS3 console is futile. We can upgrade, mod, and bedazzle the PS3 all we want, but it is a waste at this point. We need Dust 514* on PC or PS4 now. Not tomorrow, today. *: or Eve: Legion, whatever My advice to you, playa...
LHughes Dead Man's Game RUST415 246	Posted - 2014.12.27 23:53:00 - [10] - Quote Jesus Christ. You need to buy a flash drive ps3 or buy an SSD and replace your HDD (which you did) with a 100% compatable SSD (which you haven't). That moment when you walk in on Rattati in the shower but he hasn't undressed yet He's such a tease xx

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18086	Posted - 2014.12.28 01:14:00 - [11] - Quote Clone D wrote: duster 35000 wrote: Clone D wrote: Assert Dominance III wrote: ssd spawns u in faster. everyone i ever played with that had a ssd spawned first always. Not me (as stated in the op). What is your ps3 type? Super Slim with sliding disc cover. ^ This There is a software limiter that keeps the SDD at same data transfer rates as the HDD in it before on the newer models starting around the first set of slims. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1669	Posted - 2014.12.28 01:24:00 - [12] - Quote I said it millions of times already SSD is wasted of money for PS3 PS3 uses old SATA1 port which cannot saturate the speed of the SSD, the PORT IS SIMPLY TO SLOW FOR SSDs and this is a HARDWARE limitation. beside that thet OS is not optimized for SSDs, it has no features that can utilize it to the fullest, not to mention that it will tear out the SSD sooner or later. safe some money and get a hybrid drive, this will give you the best performance achievable on the ps3. best part is that the onboard hardware of the hybrid drive fully takes care of the flash memory thus it will last very long.
Lac Nokomis Expert Intervention Caldari State 22	Posted - 2014.12.28 01:31:00 - [13] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Clone D wrote: duster 35000 wrote: Clone D wrote: Assert Dominance III wrote: ssd spawns u in faster. everyone i ever played with that had a ssd spawned first always. Not me (as stated in the op). What is your ps3 type? Super Slim with sliding disc cover. ^ This There is a software limiter that keeps the SDD at same data transfer rates as the HDD in it before on the newer models starting around the first set of slims. So it does matter which model of PS3 you use? I have a PS3 Super slim and was wondering if an older normal "Slim" PS3 would run better... In my mind the Ideal system would be a normal Slim PS3 with some sort of Hybrid drive/SSD...
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14129	Posted - 2014.12.28 01:39:00 - [14] - Quote I have a slim from the first variant (250GB model), and I have noticed faster everything using an SSD. So I kind of doubt that there is a software limiter on data transfer speeds. The limit comes from the PS3 only supporting SATA 2, which means that the bandwidth is below what an SSD can handle. You will only see better performance from an SSD if the operation requires loading lots of small files, not large file chunks. Feline overlord of all humans Assault Conglomerate: Because we don't shave
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1669	Posted - 2014.12.28 01:44:00 - [15] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: The limit comes from the PS3 only supporting SATA 2 ps3 has a sata1 port... max it can handle is 150mbytes per second.
Her Chosen Grade No.2 187	Posted - 2014.12.28 03:56:00 - [16] - Quote This thread is starting to hint at something... software reworking and hardware upgrades... SSDs are the tip of the iceberg as to how far players will go towards winning. Certain players in this game play on PS3s so upgraded you almost can't call them PS3s anymore. Kitties like Milk hint hint hint STRONG BOX ROLE CALL
Clone D Grundstein Automation 1167	Posted - 2014.12.28 04:02:00 - [17] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: SSDs are the tip of the iceberg as to how far players will go towards winning. I just want a framrate higher than 10 fps. Sometimes it drops so low that I can't even tell what is happening on the screen. Is it so wrong to ask for an enjoyable gaming experience? ISK Trader channel: blitz
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 2789	Posted - 2014.12.28 04:06:00 - [18] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Cat Merc wrote: The limit comes from the PS3 only supporting SATA 2 ps3 has a sata1 port... max it can handle is ~150mbytes per second. a large high rpm high density hdd can almost reach this, a hybrid drive will definately reach it and an SSD is just overkill. HYbrid drives are a rare commodity that sits on internet pages and niche computer shops. SSD's sit in every Wal-mart and Best-buy ... People don't buy overkill because... They do it for convenience.. The cost difference from SSD to Hybrid is very slim now adays.. 20-30 bux... FOr the big stink your making about it. And guess what? People can take out their SSD's and put it in their PS4... and take advantage of the SATA 2 port.
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 966	Posted - 2014.12.28 04:26:00 - [19] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: I said it millions of times already SSD is wasted of money for PS3 PS3 uses old SATA1 port which cannot saturate the speed of the SSD, the PORT IS SIMPLY TO SLOW FOR SSDs and this is a HARDWARE limitation. beside that thet OS is not optimized for SSDs, it has no features that can utilize it to the fullest, not to mention that it will tear out the SSD sooner or later. safe some money and get a hybrid drive, this will give you the best performance achievable on the ps3. best part is that the onboard hardware of the hybrid drive fully takes care of the flash memory thus it will last very long. 5/10 Quote: lol internet wisdom 10/10, would read you being totally wrong again. BAN ADVANCED GEAR FROM PUBS \| Mass Driver Advocate
Kuruld Sengar Kuruld Galain 101	Posted - 2014.12.28 05:11:00 - [20] - Quote I put one in the ps3 classic ( the fat one) and my game play i pristine. I am usually in the war barge for 9-15 seconds before every match, and cities/equipment spam give me no lag. It must be that software limiter mentioned ^ up there, or an internet bottleneck holding you back.

deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1648	Posted - 2014.12.28 06:02:00 - [21] - Quote Clone D wrote: I have done everything to try and squeeze more performance out of my PS3. My last step was to upgrade to a crucial 256 GB SSD, which I completed this morning. Results (regarding Dust 514): Graphics load quickly and look sharp. I can use high detail with absolutely no pixelation. Framerate is still as slow as ever, with regular object warping and such. Dust gameplay is still the same old laggy piece of poo. Mythbuster: I heard reports that using a SSD allowed maps to load faster and therefore place you into battle quickly at the beginning of the match. I did not experience this. I am still placed into battle at various times at the beginning of the match. Rating: 1/10. Did not make a significant difference in gameplay. Still feels like I'm wading through molasses and wrestling with a tar baby. The SSD only helps on new battles. You should see about 9 seconds in the warbarge. If you spend time in the warbarge you will be the first to load into the match, unless you have pretty slow internet which will cancel out the only advantages.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5261	Posted - 2014.12.28 06:12:00 - [22] - Quote Yeah... I was thinking of doing the same thing, but with a few experiments, I've concluded that it is not worth it. Want to get better performance out of Dust? Get something that magically sets the standard for frames per second and matchmaking based on a couple of factors based on performance (which, of course, includes region lock and pings). The loading times are marginally faster, but it's not really worth it for a PS3 game, let alone Dust 514. Hell, I probably wouldn't update the PS4 either, by the looks of it. You want a BEAST at performance? Grab a PC and build your own. Sure, you wouldn't be able to play Dust (yet), but there are other great games out there. You just have to dig through the miles-deep pile of crap that are the current PC games.
Jay Westen Sky-FIRE 142	Posted - 2014.12.28 06:47:00 - [23] - Quote I agree with most everyone posting, I ran an SSD for a while because I heard it sped everything up on my playstation. It did speed up installs, as far as dust it let me have a little time in the war barge and allowed me to spawn quicker without the pauses of switching suits or selecting a spawn point. I talked to a buddy and he made a convincing arguement on how PS3 could effect the lifespan of the drive so I switched back, put the SSD in my desktop to run my OS and my drives as storage and backups, I'm much happier with that choice. Bottom line: It's not really worth it, in my opinion.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5148	Posted - 2014.12.28 08:08:00 - [24] - Quote I experience moderately faster loading times with an SSD. If I was trying to, I would almost always be the first to call in a vehicle at the start of a match. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2339	Posted - 2014.12.28 09:06:00 - [25] - Quote Put your graphics on low. I promise, it helps with the low framerate, however if your CPU/GPU is old/damaged(from previous overheats, overuse, or just having cracked heat sink paste) then you'll have bad performance anyways. The SSD allows faster loading of assets, meaning you can rely less on the atrocious lack of RAM the system has(only 256MB) once it fills up all tge RAM, it has to clear some, thus needing to reload some textures from the drive, thus why SSDS reduce lag. However when your system is trying to load 512MB of textures, or even 264Mb, it has to make sacrifices. The first one is Framerate , as it constantly re-empties the RAM to hold more textures and then empty those out, mind you this is happening several hundred times a second. Once the RAM attempts to fill up with a Texture, and the HDD cant load it in fast enough, we have a problem. That's one "reason" of low framerates. The other would just be trying to push more Megabytes of Textures through thr graphics card than it can support. Main example- nanohives, mass drivers, and nade spam. When a Developer puts out quotas, they have to make sure every department's area doesnt infringe too heavily on the system's limits. Hence, they'll give maybe 128MB of RAM for level textures, and 64MB to particles. Once you have 32 players all throwing down 1 nanohive, shooting, and possibly throwing a Locus, you start to exceed limits. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation'
Sardonk Eternia Tiny Universe 287	Posted - 2014.12.31 19:54:00 - [26] - Quote So much bro science in this thread. I'm so impressed by how little accurate information is in this thread.
Clone D Grundstein Automation 1256	Posted - 2014.12.31 20:06:00 - [27] - Quote Sardonk Eternia wrote: So much bro science in this thread. I'm so impressed by how little accurate information is in this thread. Which diagnostic properties were you interested in? I'll see what I can provide. ISK Trader channel: blitz
Sardonk Eternia Tiny Universe 287	Posted - 2014.12.31 20:08:00 - [28] - Quote Clone D wrote: Sardonk Eternia wrote: So much bro science in this thread. I'm so impressed by how little accurate information is in this thread. Which diagnostic properties were you interested in? I'll see what I can provide. Your first-hand account is worth more than 99% of the speculation and theory in this thread. I'm just a little disgusted by all of the ignorant statements from people about how the game engine works or how the PS3 works. I upgraded to SSD back in Chromo purely for the faster load times, faster time to get OUT of a match and back to the Merc quarters. It's a noticeable difference and worth the expense for me.
RayRay James Titans of Phoenix 858	Posted - 2014.12.31 20:44:00 - [29] - Quote PC>PS4/XBOne>PS3/360 Dust needs to leave the PS3 to reach any potential. Legion needs to happen at bare minimum on PS4. I suck at PC FPSs and i still think Legion needs to end up on PC. So much so that I'd probably hook a DualShock 4 to a PC just for the controls.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1711	Posted - 2015.01.01 12:55:00 - [30] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: Jack McReady wrote: I said it millions of times already SSD is wasted of money for PS3 PS3 uses old SATA1 port which cannot saturate the speed of the SSD, the PORT IS SIMPLY TO SLOW FOR SSDs and this is a HARDWARE limitation. beside that thet OS is not optimized for SSDs, it has no features that can utilize it to the fullest, not to mention that it will tear out the SSD sooner or later. safe some money and get a hybrid drive, this will give you the best performance achievable on the ps3. best part is that the onboard hardware of the hybrid drive fully takes care of the flash memory thus it will last very long. 5/10 Quote: lol internet wisdom 10/10, would read you being totally wrong again. how to make yourself look bad? be that guy above a simple check on popular pages would spare you from the from the disgrace. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-ps4-hard-drive-upgrade-guide check the table for loading times... except for only ONE game there is no difference. there are even cases where the high density hybrid is faster. problem? Bethhy wrote: HYbrid drives are a rare commodity that sits on internet pages and niche computer shops. And guess what? People can take out their SSD's and put it in their PS4... and take advantage of the SATA 2 port. the speed of sata 2 port will still not fully saturate the ssd, there will be pretty much no difference to a hybrid drive. beside that, hybrid drives are no rare commidity, where the hell do you live lol

Ku Shala The Generals 1106	Posted - 2015.01.01 18:12:00 - [31] - Quote +1 Jack *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (CK-0 Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist Burst RR should fire like a charge sniper
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 972	Posted - 2015.01.01 20:32:00 - [32] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: KA24DERT wrote: Jack McReady wrote: I said it millions of times already SSD is wasted of money for PS3 PS3 uses old SATA1 port which cannot saturate the speed of the SSD, the PORT IS SIMPLY TO SLOW FOR SSDs and this is a HARDWARE limitation. beside that thet OS is not optimized for SSDs, it has no features that can utilize it to the fullest, not to mention that it will tear out the SSD sooner or later. safe some money and get a hybrid drive, this will give you the best performance achievable on the ps3. best part is that the onboard hardware of the hybrid drive fully takes care of the flash memory thus it will last very long. 5/10 Quote: lol internet wisdom 10/10, would read you being totally wrong again. how to make yourself look bad? be that guy above a simple check on popular pages would spare you from the from the disgrace. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-ps4-hard-drive-upgrade-guide check the table for loading times... except for only ONE game there is no difference. there are even cases where the high density hybrid is faster. problem? Only one game except for the other THREE games that loaded faster. Even with SATA I, SSDs offer performance improvements over spinning disks, being that most spinning disks can't saturate even SATA I's 150MB/s bandwidth. SSDs make games load faster and improves asset streaming after initial load compared to the built in HDDs. Illiteracy is a real disease, but together we can fight it. BAN ADVANCED GEAR FROM PUBS \| Mass Driver Advocate
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1712	Posted - 2015.01.02 03:39:00 - [33] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: Even with SATA I, SSDs offer performance improvements over spinning disks, being that most spinning disks can't saturate even SATA I's 150MB/s bandwidth. SSDs make games load faster and improves asset streaming after initial load compared to the built in HDDs. Illiteracy is a real disease, but together we can fight it. somehow you managed to make yourself look even more bad first of all, you obviously do not know how hybrid drives work, how an OS works with drives and what high density does for hard drives. please go ahead, buy your precious SSD for your console but dont come back after a year when the caching of the playstation wore out the SSD bringing it down to regular HDD performance. second, those are ps4 values. on ps3 it will be even worse for the SSD and third, enjoy your 1 second faster loading times for twice the price please, do yourself a favor and leave your "internet wisdom" at home for yourself.
JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. 1996	Posted - 2015.01.02 03:50:00 - [34] - Quote I have a SSHD, It's awesome. It helps in loading for both Dust and Skyrim. In the Beta days SSD/SSHDs would spawn you 10-30 seconds before everyone without one. Today I would say its between 3-8 seconds. Can I haz ur ISK? Gimme dat box!


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