DUST Search - Sometimes it's better to not have any logis

Maken Tosch wrote:

DeadlyAztec11 wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

I do the same distinction with any other roles including my own. I'm a dedicated scout in every sense of the word due to my years experience. I have been cross training into logistics for the better part of the past month but I have yet to call myself a logi player because I just don't have enough experience going into that role. I would say the same about myself if I cross train into assault or piloting vehicles or whatever.

It is rather strange isn't it? All roles mark themselves clearly with their namesakes, but players in Assault suits don't. They, as well as many logistics, refer to them simply as slayers which is odd given that heavies and scouts tend to get comparable kill counts with scouts tending to get more WPfrom the hacking of objectives behind enemy lines.

Is a player in an Assault suit with a Swarm Launcher still considered an Assault player? What if he dons Kinetic Catalyzers and a shotgun? Is he a scout or an Assault? What if he uses a Sniper Rifle and dampeners? Is he a Sniper or is he a dedicated Assault? What about if a scout player decides to use a Plasma Cannon and remote explosives against HAV's? Is he still consideed a scout, or is he now an Assault; or quite possibly just simply an AV player?

Assault seem to be the only oddball out of all the classes. From what I understand they are meant to be Jack of all trades but masters of none. Their main advantage should be flexibility. They can fit themselves to be scout-ish or AV-ish, or logi-ish if they want to but are unable to marginalize or outclass the other classes. Experience has taught me that they are meant more for direct, frontal attacks just like the Commandos. But that only means they are made redundant by the presence of the commandos who can tank more and wield two light weapons. They're a pretty weird case to comprehend.

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DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6609	Posted - 2014.12.27 21:18:00 - [1] - Quote Those that go around putting uplinks in hazardous places which noobs continue to spawn at because they are too terrible to spawn anywhere else. They also make it so that noobs don't focus on taking CRU's or Supply Depots because there is an abundance of uplinks and nanohives around. They also drop low level uplinks from the APEX logis that take forever to spawn people so it is almost impossible to make a counter attack when the enemy is on the offensive. I hate these logis they sabotage their own teams and yet still rake in a reward. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 1306	Posted - 2014.12.27 21:24:00 - [2] - Quote Those aren't logis... Its like the difference between a guy with a wrench and a plumber: they have the equipment, but not the knowledge. Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6611	Posted - 2014.12.27 21:29:00 - [3] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Those aren't logis... Its like the difference between a guy with a wrench and a plumber: they have the equipment, but not the knowledge. A logistics player is any player in a logistics suit, just like a scout is any player in a scout suit and an assault is any player in an Assault suit. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Assert Dominance III 0bamacare 28	Posted - 2014.12.27 21:38:00 - [4] - Quote the logis that put uplinks on certain high points where u need to jump to get down, and youre in a heavy suit and forced to suicide and spawn elsewhere... banned DMG is trash
CrotchGrab 360 Yon Hyaku Nijuu Moyase 1784	Posted - 2014.12.27 22:08:00 - [5] - Quote big up to the proto logi repping my proto suit earlier who didn't have a needle when i died........ DUST VIDEOS
Robocop Junior research lab 1225	Posted - 2014.12.27 22:11:00 - [6] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: big up to the proto logi repping my proto suit earlier who didn't have a needle when i died........ Most annoying thing is when some crap scout with a MLT injector beats me to every corpse when I have a state injector :( If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10595	Posted - 2014.12.27 22:23:00 - [7] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: LUGMOS wrote: Those aren't logis... Its like the difference between a guy with a wrench and a plumber: they have the equipment, but not the knowledge. A logistics player is any player in a logistics suit, just like a scout is any player in a scout suit and an assault is any player in an Assault suit. You missed his point. His point is that you don't gain the experience of a Logistics just by wearing the suit. In the eyes of a veteran Dust player, a logistics player is one who highly specializes in the role of logistics, knows how the make the most of the equipment, knows the best spots to put the equipment in so that his team benefits the most from it, and is mindful of his/her own limitations as a logi. That's a logistics player. A player wearing the suit just to try it out isn't really a logi but instead a tourist. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6611	Posted - 2014.12.27 22:35:00 - [8] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: LUGMOS wrote: Those aren't logis... Its like the difference between a guy with a wrench and a plumber: they have the equipment, but not the knowledge. A logistics player is any player in a logistics suit, just like a scout is any player in a scout suit and an assault is any player in an Assault suit. You missed his point. His point is that you don't gain the experience of a Logistics just by wearing the suit. In the eyes of a veteran Dust player, a logistics player is one who highly specializes in the role of logistics, knows how the make the most of the equipment, knows the best spots to put the equipment in so that his team benefits the most from it, and is mindful of his/her own limitations as a logi. That's a logistics player. A player wearing the suit just to try it out isn't really a logi but instead a tourist. Or rather a terrorist. These players know exactly what they are doing. They simply care more about their personal profit then the success of the mission. Your interpretation of a logi player is misleading. Why do you make a distinction between the name and suit of a Logistics player but not for any other role? Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Clone D Grundstein Automation 1163	Posted - 2014.12.27 22:52:00 - [9] - Quote Assert Dominance III wrote: the logis that put uplinks on certain high points where u need to jump to get down, and youre in a heavy suit and forced to suicide and spawn elsewhere... Observe where you are spawning. It will save you headaches. You can zoom into the overhead map, pan left and right and determine if the uplink you are considering spawning from is in a preferred location. ISK Trader channel: blitz
7th Son 7 Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 35	Posted - 2014.12.27 22:53:00 - [10] - Quote Hate bad logis/stupid people

ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game RUST415 1817	Posted - 2014.12.27 23:24:00 - [11] - Quote what a load of crap. you learn by doing. skill and knowledge don't just appear overnight. you have to work constantly on it. did you learn how to scout/heavy/assault/tank etc on your first day. no so give the noobs a break. everyone has to learn somewhere. how about instead of blaming others for bad equipment locations how about you blame yourself for using them in these bad locations. noobs soon learn where and where not to place equipment when they don't get used. i'm still learning new stuff to this day and i have been a logi for years. if you have a problem with any other role try looking at yourself first All Hail Legion
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6612	Posted - 2014.12.27 23:32:00 - [12] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: what a load of crap. you learn by doing. skill and knowledge don't just appear overnight. you have to work constantly on it. did you learn how to scout/heavy/assault/tank etc on your first day. no so give the noobs a break. everyone has to learn somewhere. how about instead of blaming others for bad equipment locations how about you blame yourself for using them in these bad locations. noobs soon learn where and where not to place equipment when they don't get used. i'm still learning new stuff to this day and i have been a logi for years. if you have a problem with any other role try looking at yourself first Calm yourself Adam. Unless you are the character I described than there is no quarrel between us. In fact I already knew how to be an Assault from countless hours of Call of Duty and I had a decent amount of experience as a logistics player from playing the engineer class from the Battlefront series. The heavy is just a simplified Assault. Also, the majority of players doing this aren't new players. I hope you know that. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6612	Posted - 2014.12.27 23:33:00 - [13] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: Hate bad logis/stupid people They are quite intelligent in actuality, which makes their actions inexcusable. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10595	Posted - 2014.12.27 23:50:00 - [14] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: LUGMOS wrote: Those aren't logis... Its like the difference between a guy with a wrench and a plumber: they have the equipment, but not the knowledge. A logistics player is any player in a logistics suit, just like a scout is any player in a scout suit and an assault is any player in an Assault suit. You missed his point. His point is that you don't gain the experience of a Logistics just by wearing the suit. In the eyes of a veteran Dust player, a logistics player is one who highly specializes in the role of logistics, knows how the make the most of the equipment, knows the best spots to put the equipment in so that his team benefits the most from it, and is mindful of his/her own limitations as a logi. That's a logistics player. A player wearing the suit just to try it out isn't really a logi but instead a tourist. Or rather a terrorist. These players know exactly what they are doing. They simply care more about their personal profit then the success of the mission. Your interpretation of a logi player is misleading. Why do you make a distinction between the name and suit of a Logistics player but not for any other role? I do the same distinction with any other roles including my own. I'm a dedicated scout in every sense of the word due to my years experience. I have been cross training into logistics for the better part of the past month but I have yet to call myself a logi player because I just don't have enough experience going into that role. I would say the same about myself if I cross train into assault or piloting vehicles or whatever. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Nonoriri ko Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 26	Posted - 2014.12.27 23:51:00 - [15] - Quote I think this is a great post. To us logis(everyone in general), as all the other roles the game has, why not say what you would like from a logi? I think logis reading those replies, it would help them help you better. Like me, i dont do reps/needles. I do proto uplinks, then switch to mass driver/nanos. Would help saying both Ambush and Dom/Skirmish fits you would like to see logis do. I drop a lot of high uplinks, I had not really thought about the new falling animation. I'll think about that from now on, yeah it would suck to fall down only to get killed.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10595	Posted - 2014.12.27 23:53:00 - [16] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: what a load of crap. you learn by doing. skill and knowledge don't just appear overnight. you have to work constantly on it. did you learn how to scout/heavy/assault/tank etc on your first day. no so give the noobs a break. everyone has to learn somewhere. how about instead of blaming others for bad equipment locations how about you blame yourself for using them in these bad locations. noobs soon learn where and where not to place equipment when they don't get used. i'm still learning new stuff to this day and i have been a logi for years. if you have a problem with any other role try looking at yourself first Calm yourself Adam. Unless you are the character I described than there is no quarrel between us. In fact I already knew how to be an Assault from countless hours of Call of Duty and I had a decent amount of experience as a logistics player from playing the engineer class from the Battlefront series. The heavy is just a simplified Assault. Also, the majority of players doing this aren't new players. I hope you know that. I wouldn't necessarily say "majority" unless I have statistics to prove it. I would say "some" as that is a much broader term. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6612	Posted - 2014.12.28 00:03:00 - [17] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I do the same distinction with any other roles including my own. I'm a dedicated scout in every sense of the word due to my years experience. I have been cross training into logistics for the better part of the past month but I have yet to call myself a logi player because I just don't have enough experience going into that role. I would say the same about myself if I cross train into assault or piloting vehicles or whatever. It is rather strange isn't it? All roles mark themselves clearly with their namesakes, but players in Assault suits don't. They, as well as many logistics, refer to them simply as slayers which is odd given that heavies and scouts tend to get comparable kill counts with scouts tending to get more WPfrom the hacking of objectives behind enemy lines. Is a player in an Assault suit with a Swarm Launcher still considered an Assault player? What if he dons Kinetic Catalyzers and a shotgun? Is he a scout or an Assault? What if he uses a Sniper Rifle and dampeners? Is he a Sniper or is he a dedicated Assault? What about if a scout player decides to use a Plasma Cannon and remote explosives against HAV's? Is he still consideed a scout, or is he now an Assault; or quite possibly just simply an AV player? Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10595	Posted - 2014.12.28 00:12:00 - [18] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I do the same distinction with any other roles including my own. I'm a dedicated scout in every sense of the word due to my years experience. I have been cross training into logistics for the better part of the past month but I have yet to call myself a logi player because I just don't have enough experience going into that role. I would say the same about myself if I cross train into assault or piloting vehicles or whatever. It is rather strange isn't it? All roles mark themselves clearly with their namesakes, but players in Assault suits don't. They, as well as many logistics, refer to them simply as slayers which is odd given that heavies and scouts tend to get comparable kill counts with scouts tending to get more WPfrom the hacking of objectives behind enemy lines. Is a player in an Assault suit with a Swarm Launcher still considered an Assault player? What if he dons Kinetic Catalyzers and a shotgun? Is he a scout or an Assault? What if he uses a Sniper Rifle and dampeners? Is he a Sniper or is he a dedicated Assault? What about if a scout player decides to use a Plasma Cannon and remote explosives against HAV's? Is he still consideed a scout, or is he now an Assault; or quite possibly just simply an AV player? Assault seem to be the only oddball out of all the classes. From what I understand they are meant to be Jack of all trades but masters of none. Their main advantage should be flexibility. They can fit themselves to be scout-ish or AV-ish, or logi-ish if they want to but are unable to marginalize or outclass the other classes. Experience has taught me that they are meant more for direct, frontal attacks just like the Commandos. But that only means they are made redundant by the presence of the commandos who can tank more and wield two light weapons. They're a pretty weird case to comprehend. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6612	Posted - 2014.12.28 00:23:00 - [19] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I do the same distinction with any other roles including my own. I'm a dedicated scout in every sense of the word due to my years experience. I have been cross training into logistics for the better part of the past month but I have yet to call myself a logi player because I just don't have enough experience going into that role. I would say the same about myself if I cross train into assault or piloting vehicles or whatever. It is rather strange isn't it? All roles mark themselves clearly with their namesakes, but players in Assault suits don't. They, as well as many logistics, refer to them simply as slayers which is odd given that heavies and scouts tend to get comparable kill counts with scouts tending to get more WPfrom the hacking of objectives behind enemy lines. Is a player in an Assault suit with a Swarm Launcher still considered an Assault player? What if he dons Kinetic Catalyzers and a shotgun? Is he a scout or an Assault? What if he uses a Sniper Rifle and dampeners? Is he a Sniper or is he a dedicated Assault? What about if a scout player decides to use a Plasma Cannon and remote explosives against HAV's? Is he still consideed a scout, or is he now an Assault; or quite possibly just simply an AV player? Assault seem to be the only oddball out of all the classes. From what I understand they are meant to be Jack of all trades but masters of none. Their main advantage should be flexibility. They can fit themselves to be scout-ish or AV-ish, or logi-ish if they want to but are unable to marginalize or outclass the other classes. Experience has taught me that they are meant more for direct, frontal attacks just like the Commandos. But that only means they are made redundant by the presence of the commandos who can tank more and wield two light weapons. They're a pretty weird case to comprehend. The Commando is not a better Assault; the Assault is a better Commando. The Assault has more mobility, has more weapon speciality and much greater EWAR capabilities and the possibility of more HP. The Commando is just a suit meant to be used with Launche weapons like the Swarm Launcher, Plasma Cannon and Mass Driver. Anything else and there is no reason to use them. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1411	Posted - 2014.12.28 02:25:00 - [20] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: LUGMOS wrote: Those aren't logis... Its like the difference between a guy with a wrench and a plumber: they have the equipment, but not the knowledge. A logistics player is any player in a logistics suit, just like a scout is any player in a scout suit and an assault is any player in an Assault suit. You missed his point. His point is that you don't gain the experience of a Logistics just by wearing the suit. In the eyes of a veteran Dust player, a logistics player is one who highly specializes in the role of logistics, knows how the make the most of the equipment, knows the best spots to put the equipment in so that his team benefits the most from it, and is mindful of his/her own limitations as a logi. That's a logistics player. A player wearing the suit just to try it out isn't really a logi but instead a tourist. Or rather a terrorist. These players know exactly what they are doing. They simply care more about their personal profit then the success of the mission. Your interpretation of a logi player is misleading. Why do you make a distinction between the name and suit of a Logistics player but not for any other role? I'm not a tanker because I call in a tank, or a pilot when I call in a DS, not really a scout if I don't play like one. Logi is both a role and a suit, good logis are like all the good players in other roles, they don't want the bad ones ruining their reputation. What the correct use is, I don't know. Because, that's why.

DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6615	Posted - 2014.12.28 02:45:00 - [21] - Quote I believe everyone in this thread is using the terms logi and dedicated Logi synonymously. When they shouldn't be. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 2786	Posted - 2014.12.28 02:49:00 - [22] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Those that go around putting uplinks in hazardous places which noobs continue to spawn at because they are too terrible to spawn anywhere else. They also make it so that noobs don't focus on taking CRU's or Supply Depots because there is an abundance of uplinks and nanohives around. They also drop low level uplinks from the APEX logis that take forever to spawn people so it is almost impossible to make a counter attack when the enemy is on the offensive. I hate these logis they sabotage their own teams and yet still rake in a reward. Uplinks where never supposed to be the main form of spawning... Nore spawning on Objectives or structures as they are prone to spawn camping.. Like any game like this is... and always will be. Dropships where supposed to be a support vehicle that dropped mercenaries off and continued to act as a mobile spawn platform in areas that where being engaged.. You will kinda see this done in very limited ways because of dropships terrlible defense and Offensive capabilities that make dropships act like slayers. But when a dropship has a Mobile CRU and is able to fly around and offer some cover fire... while being at a height that mercenaries can continue to spawn and dropdown with taking minimal to no damage not having to activate their inertia dampener... It's truly some intense gameplay... Where defenders are fighting off people endlessly until enough AV support can remove the threat.. and people are spawning in frantic into the dropship to drop down and engage. Instead we have wet paper bag dropships that 1-3 shot every suit in the game and Mobile CRU's that completely ruin the defensive abilites of a dropship while doing nothing to offense. And 2 years of mercenaries spawning blindly into points and structures and uplinks to get to have all their ISK investment deleted in less then a second.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1595	Posted - 2014.12.28 02:56:00 - [23] - Quote Clone D wrote: Assert Dominance III wrote: the logis that put uplinks on certain high points where u need to jump to get down, and youre in a heavy suit and forced to suicide and spawn elsewhere... Observe where you are spawning. It will save you headaches. You can zoom into the overhead map, pan left and right and determine if the uplink you are considering spawning from is in a preferred location. No $h1t , half the time people just spawn where they see a link at and not looking at the environment that there spawning in , I can't blame that on the logi more or less .. the person that's spawning in , part of the reason that people camped CRU's is the same reason then they come and complain about it like it's the person who placed the links fault . Sometimes positions get overtaken and camped when the spawn was in a good spot for recovery but was notice by the enemy . I just can't understand why we keep having this discussions like you people want links nerfed or something where they can't spawn in high area's . You people complain about everything and no one is perfect . How do you expect people to gain knowledge without making mistakes ??? It's how you learn and I know DAM well that most of you didn't know what to do without trial and error . They will learn from there mistakes . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Mejt0 Fat'Kids are Hard to Kidnap 620	Posted - 2014.12.28 04:22:00 - [24] - Quote And what do you except from people from pubs? 11 of them are mindless zombies running around. 5 of them are trying And One of them will carry the game [Usually scout]. Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1441	Posted - 2014.12.28 04:25:00 - [25] - Quote What? Theres a correct way to place uplinks? All i know is that you turn and put ur back in the corner to make sure no one spawns with their head in the wall Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Give me da iskiez Gk0 Scout yay :)


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