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Geo Esp That F'N sniper... 59	Posted - 2014.12.24 06:52:00 - [1] - Quote Bring up anyone who has the game for at least a month to 10mil sp. I don't think that the problem is pubstompers, I think it's militia suits fighting guys in Pro gear. Pros: - More active players everyday, since they won't die as much and stay longer - Less pubstomping since the people who originally fought in militia gear can now put up a fight - A challenge to Vets - More Corps and More PC/ More People who can participate in PC since they have good gear now - A smaller chance of one sided FW games, no more militia in FW - More players to recruit into corps - New players who get this sp won't be able to run pure proto since they probably have little ISK - More sales in sp restarts since a bunch of people will probably not be satisfied in what they skilled in after a week or to try out other play styles I can't think of any con's rather than someone making a bunch of alt's and getting a bunch of 10mil sp accounts so how bout any account made before December gets it Why 10mil sp? I have an alt with that much and it's perfect to put up a fight with anyone
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6598	Posted - 2014.12.24 06:53:00 - [2] - Quote To easy mode. I'm all for helping newer players but i don't want this to turn into a simple lobby shooter. CBM [Event]Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE, Corp Services
Geo Esp That F'N sniper... 59	Posted - 2014.12.24 06:56:00 - [3] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: To easy mode. I'm all for helping newer players but i don't want this to turn into a simple lobby shooter. Fighting a team of militias is easy mode
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1623	Posted - 2014.12.24 07:00:00 - [4] - Quote The purpose and rough idea has merit. BUT that would boost up the amount of alts 'a bit'. Ten M SP is that much SP that it would, in fact, a type of FOTM alts - created just for the one latest fashion. People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
knight guard fury Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1156	Posted - 2014.12.24 07:01:00 - [5] - Quote The big reason I see that won't change anything is that, sure they get ten mill sp, but they won't get as much expire acne or skill to even fight us skilled/Proto players so really it won't matter. SP earned perday/week
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6600	Posted - 2014.12.24 07:01:00 - [6] - Quote Geo Esp wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: To easy mode. I'm all for helping newer players but i don't want this to turn into a simple lobby shooter. Fighting a team of militias is easy mode CCP should push all new players to join corporations. and the corps should train and help the newer players get better. it won't take long to get in your first standard suit if you play actively and you will be better with it because you actually earned it and upgraded it yourself. CBM [Event]Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE, Corp Services
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 16252	Posted - 2014.12.24 07:09:00 - [7] - Quote Brilliant so does this mean I retroactively get 10 Million SP? That would really help me out vs those guys who are tens of millions of SP ahead of me. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Geo Esp That F'N sniper... 60	Posted - 2014.12.24 07:12:00 - [8] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: The big reason I see that won't change anything is that, sure they get ten mill sp, but they won't get as much expire acne or skill to even fight us skilled/Proto players so really it won't matter. Cool then you won't mind right? I just don't think it's fair that they are forced to play in very weak suits against some of the top dogs and if we made the Academy longer it would drive most of the fluff players in the matches, who are really just there to die, into lobby's that are pure militia and make matchmaking WAY longer. CCP knows this, that's why they won't do it, and it's also a matter of time till all the fluff players leave and the daily player count will max at only 20k a day, like it's already starting to. The game is dying and this small effort, that may not even mean much, is just to try to keep Dust breathing longer.
Geo Esp That F'N sniper... 60	Posted - 2014.12.24 07:16:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Brilliant so does this mean I retroactively get 10 Million SP? That would really help me out vs those guys who are tens of millions of SP ahead of me. lol it would, you wouldn't believe it. My friend tried the game on his own and got destroyed in his militia fit, so I gave my buddy an alt with 10mil sp on a gal assault and AR on it and he immediately started wrecking every one. it's just that he was already a great shot, just his fire power and hp couldn't match
shadow336k DUST University Ivy League 25	Posted - 2014.12.24 07:19:00 - [10] - Quote Geo Esp wrote: knight guard fury wrote: The big reason I see that won't change anything is that, sure they get ten mill sp, but they won't get as much expire acne or skill to even fight us skilled/Proto players so really it won't matter. Cool then you won't mind right? I just don't think it's fair that they are forced to play in very weak suits against some of the top dogs and if we made the Academy longer it would drive most of the fluff players in the matches, who are really just there to die, into lobby's that are pure militia and make matchmaking WAY longer. CCP knows this, that's why they won't do it, and it's also a matter of time till all the fluff players leave and the daily player count will max at only 20k a day, like it's already starting to. The game is dying and this small effort, that may not even mean much, is just to try to keep Dust breathing longer. The daily player count for dust is no where near 20k. Those are EVE players. Dust only gets 3-4k players per day.

Geo Esp That F'N sniper... 60	Posted - 2014.12.24 07:20:00 - [11] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Geo Esp wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: To easy mode. I'm all for helping newer players but i don't want this to turn into a simple lobby shooter. Fighting a team of militias is easy mode CCP should push all new players to join corporations. and the corps should train and help the newer players get better. it won't take long to get in your first standard suit if you play actively and you will be better with it because you actually earned it and upgraded it yourself. It's not gunna happen man. These guys are just casuals. They are not going to wait 5 months till they could finally put up a fight. They are gunna leave.
Geo Esp That F'N sniper... 60	Posted - 2014.12.24 07:23:00 - [12] - Quote shadow336k wrote: Geo Esp wrote: knight guard fury wrote: The big reason I see that won't change anything is that, sure they get ten mill sp, but they won't get as much expire acne or skill to even fight us skilled/Proto players so really it won't matter. Cool then you won't mind right? I just don't think it's fair that they are forced to play in very weak suits against some of the top dogs and if we made the Academy longer it would drive most of the fluff players in the matches, who are really just there to die, into lobby's that are pure militia and make matchmaking WAY longer. CCP knows this, that's why they won't do it, and it's also a matter of time till all the fluff players leave and the daily player count will max at only 20k a day, like it's already starting to. The game is dying and this small effort, that may not even mean much, is just to try to keep Dust breathing longer. The daily player count for dust is no where near 20k. Those are EVE players. Dust only gets 3-4k players per day. Wow... How is this game even running?
LetMe K1LLYOU Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.12.24 07:59:00 - [13] - Quote Geo Esp wrote: Bring up anyone who has the game for at least a month to 10mil sp. I don't think that the problem is pubstompers, I think it's militia suits fighting guys in Pro gear. Pros: - More active players everyday, since they won't die as much and stay longer - Less pubstomping since the people who originally fought in militia gear can now put up a fight - A challenge to Vets - More Corps and More PC/ More People who can participate in PC since they have good gear now - A smaller chance of one sided FW games, no more militia in FW - More players to recruit into corps - New players who get this sp won't be able to run pure proto since they probably have little ISK - More sales in sp restarts since a bunch of people will probably not be satisfied in what they skilled in after a week or to try out other play styles I can't think of any con's rather than someone making a bunch of alt's and getting a bunch of 10mil sp accounts so how bout any account made before December gets it Why 10mil sp? I have an alt with that much and it's perfect to put up a fight with anyone I think this is a very good idea. I just started yesterday and I got stomped by people with PRO - Sentinel and Boundless HMG'S ETC. Please CCP think about this idea. I think this is just great.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10572	Posted - 2014.12.24 08:04:00 - [14] - Quote I don't like this idea. I'm all for helping new players like how Eve Online players do, but not like this. This won't teach new players anythings. What needs to be done is to better stabilize matchmaking as it's somewhat out of whack at the moment. Another step to take is to implement tiered matches where meta level restrictions are imposed. The higher the tier of the match, the higher the meta you can use. This way, players learn as they progress rather than just have everything served to them on a silver platter. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
LetMe K1LLYOU Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.12.24 08:09:00 - [15] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I don't like this idea. I'm all for helping new players like how Eve Online players do, but not like this. This won't teach new players anythings. What needs to be done is to better stabilize matchmaking as it's somewhat out of whack at the moment. Another step to take is to implement tiered matches where meta level restrictions are imposed. The higher the tier of the match, the higher the meta you can use. This way, players learn as they progress rather than just have everything served to them on a silver platter. You will have to play as you will have to earn iskto use that 10 Million SP

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 1410	Posted - 2014.12.24 08:22:00 - [16] - Quote bah, if you got money you can just buy all the SP you need, and you will see the same effects as people buying a 130m SP pilot in EVE. SP means very little when you can't play the game. DUSTSearch DUSTBoard DUST Server Status

LetMe K1LLYOU Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.12.24 08:27:00 - [17] - Quote Bro we will learn the game while playing to get isk. And if you are talking about boosters, why should we waste our money on a game which has people with PRO Dropsuits? Even if you put 3 active boosters it would take a lot of time to earn some SP. And after a few days of getting stomped we would probably quit the game.
Edau Skir2 Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 178	Posted - 2014.12.24 08:35:00 - [18] - Quote Geo Esp wrote: it's just that he was already a great shot, just his fire power and hp couldn't match So much this! Resident pasty smasher
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 1147	Posted - 2014.12.24 08:42:00 - [19] - Quote Giving away lots of SP....not gonna make anything easier for anyone who doesn't know how to play. Included in that, is HOW to invest SP. You think new players in need of the sort of leg-up you are talking about are gonna know what to do with it? The newer players you talk about who need help need help, not 10m SP. They need to run with a squad if they're getting rolled...and not a squad full of noobs either. - Run with a squad - Figure the game out - Join a corp You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
LetMe K1LLYOU Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.12.24 08:45:00 - [20] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Giving away lots of SP....not gonna make anything easier for anyone who doesn't know how to play. Included in that, is HOW to invest SP. You think new players in need of the sort of leg-up you are talking about are gonna know what to do with it? The newer players you talk about who need help need help, not 10m SP. They need to run with a squad if they're getting rolled...and not a squad full of noobs either. - Run with a squad - Figure the game out - Join a corp Which Corp would you recommend?

VikingKong iBUN T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 330	Posted - 2014.12.24 08:47:00 - [21] - Quote They could just remove the weekly skill point cap until you reach 10 or 15mil Lifetime. Oh and make it a sensible number while you're there, I haven't even capped once with it at 750k. The whole idea for a 750k cap was admittedly flawed from the start and should never have been implemented.
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 1147	Posted - 2014.12.24 08:50:00 - [22] - Quote LetMe K1LLYOU wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Giving away lots of SP....not gonna make anything easier for anyone who doesn't know how to play. Included in that, is HOW to invest SP. You think new players in need of the sort of leg-up you are talking about are gonna know what to do with it? The newer players you talk about who need help need help, not 10m SP. They need to run with a squad if they're getting rolled...and not a squad full of noobs either. - Run with a squad - Figure the game out - Join a corp Which Corp would you recommend? Only one that comes to mind is The Learning Coalition, but there will be more out there for you. You could check here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=855 Not sure how active it is but you're like to get some more ideas in this thread. You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
LetMe K1LLYOU Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.12.24 08:50:00 - [23] - Quote What would that do, good sire? Edit: it was meant for vikingkong
jonny battles B.A.L.A.M.O.R.Y. G.L.O.R.Y. 11	Posted - 2014.12.24 08:54:00 - [24] - Quote This is dumb it's not going to stop pub stopping it doesn't matter if you have additional sp If your a newb your going to spec into something stupid like corporation (I did it) or something else completely useless. Of they gave me 10million extra sp for a new account there is so much you can do with it if not a newb that a adv suit weapon,modules and equipment It was just that easy
voidfaction Nos Nothi 792	Posted - 2014.12.24 08:55:00 - [25] - Quote LetMe K1LLYOU wrote: Bro we will learn the game while playing to get isk. And if you are talking about boosters, why should we waste our money on a game which has people with PRO Dropsuits? Even if you put 3 active boosters it would take a lot of time to earn some SP. And after a few days of getting stomped we would probably quit the game. They done working on a plan. meta bracket matches. sure high sp players will still win but it will be better than protostomper squads that cant win without there q-sync squads in pubs. tier 3 will be a ghost town as the protostompers will be out matched in a fair game. they will all migrate to trying to q-sync tier 1 low meta games were they are more likely to face noobs.
LetMe K1LLYOU Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.12.24 08:56:00 - [26] - Quote We aint as dumb as you think. If I got 10 million SP, I have already planned for a Minmatar Assault
LetMe K1LLYOU Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.12.24 09:01:00 - [27] - Quote I cant understand you voidfaction
voidfaction Nos Nothi 792	Posted - 2014.12.24 09:08:00 - [28] - Quote LetMe K1LLYOU wrote: I cant understand you voidfaction https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2512362#post2512362 CCP Rattati wrote: We are working on metalevel brackets of gameplay, imagine a WoW dungeon only in reverse. Tier 1 - no fittings above 100 (sum of all equipment on the fitting) - average rewards Tier 2 - no fittings above 200 - high rewards Tier 3 - free for all - very high rewards The meta level value is just a place holder as he stats later in the thread.
VikingKong iBUN T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 330	Posted - 2014.12.24 09:21:00 - [29] - Quote LetMe K1LLYOU wrote: What would that do, good sire? Edit: it was meant for vikingkong I'm not even going to explain why that would help new players, if you can't even understand that concept then I think having more SP is unlikely to benefit you as much as you think. LetMe K1LLYOU wrote: We aint as dumb as you think. If I got 10 million SP, I have already planned for a Minmatar Assault This really makes you look dumb, as if you can't even think for yourself because you're choosing the FotM suit with the unbalanced slot layout simply because everyone else is using it. Min assault is my main suit, and I really wish it had 5/3 like Caldari. Just so all you FotM scrubs would get your dirty hands off my suit. I much preferred it when it had the 5/2 crap slots, it was a totally different suit with a unique play style, and was not commonly used. I felt like an individual for using it, now I just feel like a Min Assault scrub.
ScI-Iurk Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 30	Posted - 2014.12.24 09:27:00 - [30] - Quote Then don't give xp just give the essential core skills for hp and maybe some of the most used advanced modules. This would leave the choices of dropsuit and weapon to the new player while evening the odds a bit.

Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1149	Posted - 2014.12.24 09:27:00 - [31] - Quote shadow336k wrote: Geo Esp wrote: knight guard fury wrote: The big reason I see that won't change anything is that, sure they get ten mill sp, but they won't get as much expire acne or skill to even fight us skilled/Proto players so really it won't matter. Cool then you won't mind right? I just don't think it's fair that they are forced to play in very weak suits against some of the top dogs and if we made the Academy longer it would drive most of the fluff players in the matches, who are really just there to die, into lobby's that are pure militia and make matchmaking WAY longer. CCP knows this, that's why they won't do it, and it's also a matter of time till all the fluff players leave and the daily player count will max at only 20k a day, like it's already starting to. The game is dying and this small effort, that may not even mean much, is just to try to keep Dust breathing longer. The daily player count for dust is no where near 20k. Those are EVE players. Dust only gets 3-4k players per day. That's bullshit, those numbers are peak concurrent, meaning the peak amount of people playing at one point in the day. Plenty of people log on and off in a 24 hour span. I would estimate anywhere from 15-20k people play this game daily. Stabby-stabber extraordinaire I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
LetMe K1LLYOU Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2014.12.24 09:50:00 - [32] - Quote ScI-Iurk wrote: Then don't give xp just give the essential core skills for hp and maybe some of the most used advanced modules. This would leave the choices of dropsuit and weapon to the new player while evening the odds a bit. Good idea bro
Edgar Reinhart Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 17	Posted - 2014.12.24 10:10:00 - [33] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: What needs to be done is to better stabilize matchmaking as it's somewhat out of whack at the moment. Another step to take is to implement tiered matches where meta level restrictions are imposed. The higher the tier of the match, the higher the meta you can use. This way, players learn as they progress rather than just have everything served to them on a silver platter. I agree in the idea that it is more about matchmaking than boosting or fittings. I've mentioned in another thread that the fact that there are different levels of players and fittings on the battlefield is what gives Dust its character as a game. Losing this battlefield mix will, in my opinion, be detrimental to the game as a whole. The secret, again in my opinion, is to make sure that the teams are balanced across the board which they clearly aren't always at the moment. The number of variables involved make this very difficult in this game though. Better suits will always do better but that doesn't mean militia gear should simply be ignored in the game. No one likes a stomp, on either team, but restricting fittings etc isn't the way to fix this. If strict meta levels are introduced you won't ever see people with lower meta fittings in higher meta matches as no one would be dumb enough to potentially be the only STD suit in a PRO match and you are rapidly heading towards the point where you may as well do away with the tiers and progression and just stick everyone in the same lightly customisable suit from the get go. It's just not as interesting overall. At the moment you go in with what you have and do your best with what's put in front of you. I personally like this, as deeply frustrating and depressing as it can be. NPE does need work still because being thrown into a FPS where there are other players that you are just not going to be able to kill is not what a lot of people expect and playing in a way that isn't necessarily running and gunning on the front line isn't something that people picking up a FPS want to do. DUST needs to help people play DUST not make DUST into a poorer version of the rest of the AAA shooters out there because it just can't compete. Things like moving to an ISK destroyed vs. ISK lost mechanic over the standard K/D one cold help for example as new players in starter suits would potentially feel that they are doing better as they would have a good ratio because initially they wouldn't be loosing any ISK. Rebalancing war points so that lower meta suits get slightly more for killing a higher meta suit and higher slightly less for a lower meta kills etc might also help. To be honest I don't really have the answers and maybe the simplest way is to just tier everything by meta but I just worry it's not the way to go.
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 1147	Posted - 2014.12.24 13:25:00 - [34] - Quote ScI-Iurk wrote: Then don't give xp just give the essential core skills for hp and maybe some of the most used advanced modules. This would leave the choices of dropsuit and weapon to the new player while evening the odds a bit. Interesting thought. Reminds of an idea I'm sure some of us put forward ages ago along the lines of the certificates in EVE. For those that may not know what certificates are (and assuming they're still part of EVE) they are something you earn once you've completed a pre-determined set of skills. For example, there may be a set of certificates for Armor Tanking: - STD Armor Tanking -- Dropsuit Armor Upgrades I -- Armor Plating I - ADV Armor Tanking -- Dropsuit Armor Upgrades III -- Armor Plating III - PRO -- etc And perhaps a set of certificates for Armor Regeneration: - STD Armor Regeneration -- Dropsuit Armor Upgrades I -- Armor Repair Systems I - ADV Armor Regeneration -- Dropsuit Armor Upgrades III -- Armor Repair Systems III etc...hopefully you get the idea. Perhaps then what you could do is grant some leg-up NPE rewards or something that allow you to choose a few free certificates You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Caldari Scrub Fate.Zero 0	Posted - 2014.12.24 19:35:00 - [35] - Quote I just want a better NPE because I only had 2 games in the academy then I was put against ADV and PRO right after.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10574	Posted - 2014.12.24 20:53:00 - [36] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: shadow336k wrote: Geo Esp wrote: knight guard fury wrote: The big reason I see that won't change anything is that, sure they get ten mill sp, but they won't get as much expire acne or skill to even fight us skilled/Proto players so really it won't matter. Cool then you won't mind right? I just don't think it's fair that they are forced to play in very weak suits against some of the top dogs and if we made the Academy longer it would drive most of the fluff players in the matches, who are really just there to die, into lobby's that are pure militia and make matchmaking WAY longer. CCP knows this, that's why they won't do it, and it's also a matter of time till all the fluff players leave and the daily player count will max at only 20k a day, like it's already starting to. The game is dying and this small effort, that may not even mean much, is just to try to keep Dust breathing longer. The daily player count for dust is no where near 20k. Those are EVE players. Dust only gets 3-4k players per day. That's bullshit, those numbers are peak concurrent, meaning the peak amount of people playing at one point in the day. Plenty of people log on and off in a 24 hour span. I would estimate anywhere from 15-20k people play this game daily. www.eve-offline.net This is straight from CCP's Tranquility Server via the CREST API system. PS: He was referring to the number of players actively logged in at any given moment of the day. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10574	Posted - 2014.12.24 20:58:00 - [37] - Quote A better recommendation would be to implement a version of Eve Online's ISIS (Interbus Ship Identification System) which gives new players a clear visual roadmap of what modules and skills are recommended for any given ship as well as a clearly defined role that each ship is meant for. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
voidfaction Nos Nothi 792	Posted - 2014.12.24 21:05:00 - [38] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: A better recommendation would be to implement a version of Eve Online's ISIS (Interbus Ship Identification System) which gives new players a clear visual roadmap of what modules and skills are recommended for any given ship as well as a clearly defined role that each ship is meant for. Kinda like the apex fittings give an idea of what they are meant for? I respeced my 2 scouts to follow the roadmap the apex suits defined. Well sort of Cal scout fully Gal scout I prefer Tac-ar over Shotgun. The other 3 scout have high ranged weapons why should the gal scout be any different.
Kaughst Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 807	Posted - 2014.12.24 23:50:00 - [39] - Quote Never give free SP for new players to use. If anything have the 10 mil go exclusively towards core skills, and even if they respec it stays core skills. People seem to constantly ignore something that will consistently help you in the long term... Don't think about that, think about all the money.
Ice Royal Glantix Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 45	Posted - 2014.12.25 00:15:00 - [40] - Quote Trust me, this will not help in the slightest. I spent the first year of my Dust career doing nothing but restarting, and I still have not hit 10mil sp. I understand what it is like to have a huge disadvantage when it comes to gear. I know all too well. Give the newbros more sp, and they will just lose more isk. Having proto isn't even a quarter of the battle. Gameplay knowledge and experience, map knowledge, and teamwork make up 90% of what is needed to win. Put 16 new guys in proto gear against 4 vets in basic gear, and the vets will probably win, if not at least come close to winning. Giving players this sp off the bat also ruins the feeling of actually earning your gear. I hated my character after the million clone challenge, because I jumped from basic gear to advanced without doing any work. You also stated that this would lead to more respec purchases due to new players making mistakes in there skill choices, but this just enforces the creation of alts. Coaxing a new player to have to make purchases right away is a good way to lose some new player as well. Dust is a free game, and most free games are pay to win. We don't want newbros thinking that this is just another pay to win game, we want them to realize that they can earn their way into a position where they can stand up against the same people who protostomped them in the past. To summarize, having new players start at higher sp amounts will only cause more distress and problems than it will fix. Hopefully some people understand where I am coming from, and can see why this is not a good idea. Sincerely, Glantix / Ice, o7 "Don't be dead; be happy!"

Jacques Cayton II Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 1289	Posted - 2014.12.25 00:15:00 - [41] - Quote Geo Esp wrote: Bring up anyone who has the game for at least a month to 10mil sp. I don't think that the problem is pubstompers, I think it's militia suits fighting guys in Pro gear. Pros: - More active players everyday, since they won't die as much and stay longer - Less pubstomping since the people who originally fought in militia gear can now put up a fight - A challenge to Vets - More Corps and More PC/ More People who can participate in PC since they have good gear now - A smaller chance of one sided FW games, no more militia in FW - More players to recruit into corps - New players who get this sp won't be able to run pure proto since they probably have little ISK - More sales in sp restarts since a bunch of people will probably not be satisfied in what they skilled in after a week or to try out other play styles I can't think of any con's rather than someone making a bunch of alt's and getting a bunch of 10mil sp accounts so how bout any account made before December gets it Why 10mil sp? I have an alt with that much and it's perfect to put up a fight with anyone Give me 10 mil more sp thrn its ok We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Bone Doc Commando Perkone Caldari State 8	Posted - 2014.12.25 00:36:00 - [42] - Quote 10mill sp sounds reasonable,the game seems too easy for those with already established characters and teams, while others cant even play or hope to attempt win as most of your team is composed of militia tin cans.
LetMe K1LLYOU Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2014.12.25 09:48:00 - [43] - Quote Bone Doc wrote: 10mill sp sounds reasonable,the game seems too easy for those with already established characters and teams, while others cant even play or hope to attempt win as most of your team is composed of militia tin cans. Exactly.
LetMe K1LLYOU Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2014.12.25 10:01:00 - [44] - Quote Bone Doc wrote: 10mill sp sounds reasonable,the game seems too easy for those with already established characters and teams, while others cant even play or hope to attempt win as most of your team is composed of militia tin cans. Exactly.
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 860	Posted - 2014.12.25 13:32:00 - [45] - Quote no AE.
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7604	Posted - 2014.12.25 13:38:00 - [46] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: To easy mode. I'm all for helping newer players but i don't want this to turn into a simple lobby shooter. Assuming of course that this isn't what CCP is intending for Dust 514 at this point. They've made no commitments to what kind of game they're trying to make, so providing feedback for or against it being anything is sort of flawed. For all we know this could be the most tactical/strategic lobby shooter in the history of gaming. Aeon's Links I often sound negative because I ask questions no-one else will.
Slave of MORTE Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 155	Posted - 2014.12.26 01:29:00 - [47] - Quote I disagree with 10 million that's a free proto suit to start with 2.5 mill -5 mill max ..and if they do this whatever number they decide all existing mercs should get the difference And new mercs should start at that sp level to begin .. I do think 500 k sp is to little but 10 mill is way to much Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
LetMe K1LLYOU Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2014.12.26 10:15:00 - [48] - Quote Slave of MORTE wrote: I disagree with 10 million that's a free proto suit to start with 2.5 mill -5 mill max ..and if they do this whatever number they decide all existing mercs should get the difference And new mercs should start at that sp level to begin .. I do think 500 k sp is to little but 10 mill is way to much Yes 10 mil is much but it is appropriate also as every one is running PRO Sentinels with PRO Logis. It is so irritating.
LetMe K1LLYOU Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2014.12.26 10:17:00 - [49] - Quote Slave of MORTE wrote: I disagree with 10 million that's a free proto suit to start with 2.5 mill -5 mill max ..and if they do this whatever number they decide all existing mercs should get the difference And new mercs should start at that sp level to begin .. I do think 500 k sp is to little but 10 mill is way to much And especially you do not get 500k you get something like 306k. The other is already used up in things.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 6002	Posted - 2014.12.26 10:49:00 - [50] - Quote While I sympathize with the OP I believe a better solution would be to hotrack new characters with 3 125% active and passive skill boosters for three months. That way they earn SP faster to ease into the game and they have the option of buying full power boosters if they wish. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.

LetMe K1LLYOU Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2014.12.26 15:28:00 - [51] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: While I sympathize with the OP I believe a better solution would be to hotrack new characters with 3 125% active and passive skill boosters for three months. That way they earn SP faster to ease into the game and they have the option of buying full power boosters if they wish. Very Good Idea! This will increase the sales of boosters also as after the 3 active and passive boosters are over people newbs like me will buy more boosters


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